Talk:List of military figures by nickname

list of military figures [not by nickname...]
Oops. I scrooed up.... And, truth to tell, I don't know how to fix it. Trekphiler 06:32, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Fixed for you - nice page -- Armadillo From Hell 06:35, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Gracias. Too bad the Admins don't think so... Seems to me if we've got pages on sports nicknames & porn actors, this is defensible. Lots of people have heard of "Desert Fox" & "Boy" Browning, but can't name him (hell, I had to look up Browning's real name!), & might find this useful... Trekphiler 12:29, 4 October 2006 (UTC)


 * verifiable? These are historical figures. Almost any reputable history book on the given subject will name them. For instance, Ryan's A Bridge Too Far extensively refers to Boy Browning; almost any reference to the Singapore campaign mentions Yamashita, as do sources on the U.S. invasion of the Philippines (as does your own article!); several sources on the U.S. defense of the Philippines mentions "Dougout Doug"; the "Desert Fox" everybody knows. Need I go on? Trekphiler 12:35, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Merge?
Given this page is under question for lack of notability, I suggest merging it here, with a redirect from List of military figures by nickname so somebody looking for specifically military nicknames will know where to look. Trekphiler 10:27, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Just a coupla guys
I added these: Not notable, huh? Wasn't Dornin a senator? I think Coe was CincPac, Swede Momsen invented the Momsen Lung, & Ned Beach turned hundreds of people onto submarines (including Tom Clancy, no less). Trekphiler 09:47, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * "Cy" –Marshall H. Austin, World War Two U.S. submarine commander
 * "Ned" –Edward L. Beach, Jr., World War Two U.S. submarine commander & writer
 * "Benny" –Raymond H. Bass, World War Two U.S. submarine commander
 * "Ensign" –Roy S. Benson, World War Two U.S. submarine commander
 * "Tex" –Forrest R. Biard, World War Two U.S. submarine commander
 * "Chief" – Leon N. Blair, World War Two U.S. submarine commander
 * "Bobo" – Sigmund A. Bobczynski, World War Two U.S. submarine commander
 * "Junior" – John S. McCain, Jr., World War Two U.S. submarine commander (son of Admiral John S. McCain, Sr., father of Vietnam War POW & later Senator) John S. McCain III)
 * "Weegee" – William G. Brown, World War Two U.S. submarine commander
 * "Babe" – John H. Brown, World War Two U.S. submarine commander
 * "Swede" –
 *  Eliot H. Bryant, World War Two U.S. submarine commander
 *  Momsen, World War Two U.S. submarine force commander, inventor of a submarine resuce chamber
 * "Acey" – Albert C. Burrows, World War Two U.S. submarine commander
 * "Soupy" – James H. Campbell, World War Two U.S. submarine commander
 * "Uncle Charlie" – Charles A. Lockwood, World War Two U.S. Pacific Fleet Submarine Force commander
 * "Chips" – Arthur S. Carpender, World War Two U.S. submarine force commander
 * "Moon" – Wreford G. Chapple, World War Two U.S. ace submarine commander
 * "Chick" – Bernard A. Clarey, World War Two U.S. submarine commander
 * "Boney" – Robert H. Close, World War Two U.S. submarine commander
 * "Savvy" – Charles M. Cooke, World War Two U.S. submarine commander
 * "Red" – James W. Coe, World War Two U.S. ace submarine commander
 * "Turkey Neck" – George C. Crawford, World War Two U.S. submarine commander
 * "Speed" – John P. Currie, World War Two U.S. submarine commander
 * "Donc" – Glynn R. Donaho, World War Two U.S. submarine commander
 * "Dan" – Lawrence R. Daspit, World War Two U.S. submarine commander
 * "Dusty" – Robert E. Dornin, World War Two U.S. submarine commander

Just a coupla more guys
I added these: Not notable? Let's see...Jake Fyfe sank 3 Japanese submarines on a single patrol; no other skipper's ever sunk 3, total, AFAIK. Barney Sieglaff's Tautog shot down the first Japanese aircraft by American forces in the attack on Pearl Harbor. Bull Wright famously told Reuben Whitaker to "handle it" when told the country was at war. And Jim Coe sent the most famous requisition of the war & deserves to be in the history books for it. Trekphiler 05:58, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * "Barney" &mdash;
 * Clifton W. Flenniken, Jr., U.S. submarine commander
 * William B. Sieglaff, U.S. submarine commander
 * "Beetle" &mdash; John P. Roach, U.S. submarine commander
 * "Betty" – Harold R. Stark, World War Two U.S. admiral (after a mistaken pledge)
 * "Bird Dog" &mdash; D. C. Keeter, U.S. submarine commander
 * "Bub" &mdash; Norvell G. Ward, U.S. ace submarine commander
 * "Bud" &mdash; William P. Gruner, Jr., U.S. submarine commander
 * "Bull" &mdash; William L. Wright, U.S. ace] [[submarine ] commander
 * "Butch" –
 * Orme C. Robbins, U.S. submarine commander
 * "Caddy" – James A. Adkins, World War Two U.S. submarine commander
 * "Crow" &mdash; Palmer H. Dunbar, Jr., U.S. submarine commander
 * "Cump" &mdash; William Tecumseh Sherman, U.S. general
 * "Dutch" &mdash; John M. Will, U.S. submarine officer
 * "Dinty" &mdash; John R. Moore, U.S. submarine commander
 * "Dixie" &mdash; Richard M. Farrell, U.S. submarine commander
 * "Dizzy" &mdash;
 * H. R. Allen, British Air Force fighter ace
 * Gordon B. Rainer, U.S. submarine commander
 * "Fearless Freddy" &mdash; Frederick W. Warder, U.S. ace submarine commander (a nickname he detested)
 * "Fritz" &mdash; Frederick J. Harlfinger II, U.S. submarine commander
 * "Frog" &mdash; Francis S. Low, United States Navy intelligence officer
 * "Fuel Oil" &mdash; Franklin O. Johnsonn, U.S. submarine commander
 * "Gin" &mdash; Charles W. Styer, U.S. ace submarine commander
 * "Gnu" &mdash; Andrew D. Mayer, U.S. Navy officer
 * "Ham" &mdash; Wesley A. Wright, U.S. intelligence offier
 * "Hammerhead" &mdash; John C. Martin, U.S. submarine commander
 * "Hap" &mdash;
 * Henry H. Arnold, U.S. General
 * "Ike" &mdash;
 * Arnold H. Holz, U.S. submarine commander
 * William R. Wilson, U.S. submarine officer
 * "Irish" &mdash; Edward R. Hannon, U.S. submarine commander
 * "Jake" &mdash; John K. Fyfe, U.S. ace submarine commander
 * "Jasper" &mdash; Wilfrid J. Holmes, United States Navy intelligence officer
 * "Joe" &mdash; Elton W. Grenfell, U.S. ace submarine commander
 * "Mike" &mdash; Frank W. Fenno, Jr., U.S. submarine commander
 * "Moke" &mdash; William J. Millican, U.S. submarine commander
 * "Ozzie" &mdash; Richard B. Lynch, U.S. submarine officer
 * "Pat" &mdash; J. Loy Maloney, U.S. submarine commander
 * "Pete" &mdash;
 * William E. Ferrall, U.S. submarine commander
 * Ignatius J. Galantin, U.S. submarine commander
 * "Pi" &mdash; Herman A. Piczentkowski, U.S. submarine commander
 * "Pilly" &mdash; Willis A. Lent, U.S. submarine commander
 * "Ping" &mdash; Theodore S. Wilkinson, U.S. Navy Admiral and commander of ONI
 * "Pinky" &mdash; Marvin G. Kennedy, United States Navy submarine commander (unsuccessful)
 * "Rebel" &mdash; Vernon L. Lowrance, U.S. ace submarine commander
 * "Red" –
 * James W. Coe, World War Two U.S. ace submarine commander
 * Walter E. Doyle, U.S. submarine commander
 * Ralph C. Lynch, Jr., U.S. submarine commander
 * Lawson P. Ramage, U.S. ace submarine commander
 * Douglas N. Syverson, U.S. submarine officer
 * "Rosey" &mdash; Redfield Mason, U.S. cryptanalyst
 * "The Saint" &mdash; Augustus R. St. Angelo, U.S. submarine officer
 * "Sandy" &mdash; Louis D. McGregor, U.S. submarine commander
 * "Savvy" –
 * Charles M. Cooke, World War Two U.S. submarine commander
 * Leon J. Huffman, U.S. submarine commander
 * "Shorty" &mdash; Charles D. Edmunds, U.S. submarine commander
 * "Shorty" &mdash; Charles D. Edmunds, U.S. submarine commander
 * "Skinny" &mdash; Francis W. Rockwell, U.S. Navy admiral
 * "Soupy" –James H. Campbell, World War Two U.S. submarine commander
 * "Spike" &mdash; Martin P. Hottel, U.S. submarine commander
 * "Spud" &mdash; Elbert C. Lindon, U.S. submarine commander
 * "Steam" &mdash; Elliott E. Marshall, U.S. submarine commander
 * "Sunshine" &mdash; Stuart S. Murray, U.S. submarine commander
 * "Swede" –
 * Charles B. Momsen, World War Two U.S. submarine force commander, inventor of the Momsen lung
 * "Tex" &mdash;
 * Heber H. McLean, U.S. submarine commander
 * Leonard S. Mewhinney, U.S. submarine commander
 * "Tiny" &mdash; Frank C. Lynch, Jr., U.S. submarine commander
 * "Weary" &mdash; Charles W. Wilkins, U.S. submarine commander
 * Don't additions to this list need to be referenced? Dekimasu 04:50, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Take a look at the list of sources. Then take a look at the internal Wikipedia links, which is where a lot of them are coming from. I looked for Boy Browning by "Browning", knowing the nickname from (for instance) The Longest Day, unable to recall his given name, which is why I started this page in the first place. Do the same. Help out. Or add sources where you've seen nicknmamed officers & men. (BTW, all the sub officers are from Blair, if you haven't already guessed.) Do you want footnotes for each man on this list? I'd call that overkill. Trekphiler 19:22, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


 * An inline cite would be enough; they take up no space. Save the footnotes then for hardcopy cites, like.
 * Problem with not using cites is you'll get something like "Poopyhead" for "John Q. Bloggins, Canadian frigate captain" (but not quite so obvious) if it doesn't have to be verified. I'm eventually going to have to go through Regimental nicknames of the Canadian Forces due to the amount of questionable nicknames; like Wikipedia as a whole, nicknames for things are not something you thought up in school one day either. I'm actually leaning more toward the cite thing than before, because of experiences with the subtle type of vandal: you know, the type who makes plausible changes or reasonable-sounding additions, which turn out to be totally spurious. -- Sig Pig  |SEND - OVER
 * OK, I just looked at the page, and notice a crapload of sources. Maybe if the sources were lettered (A. The Wonder Book of blah blah). Then you could just cite each with the letter of the book it was found in. If I want to confirm that Stark is named "Betty" and why, I don't want to have to wade through fifty books. -- Sig Pig  |SEND - OVER 21:31, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Source each one? Nice theory. That "crapload" is because I've been seeing these nicknames for years. I have no idea exactly where you might find an individual one. Back check the Wikipedia pages; Browning & Stark are ref'd. Most of these aren't in question, & those that might be are also on List of nicknames of historical personages. As for the "coupla guys" above, every one is from the index in Blair (mentioned). I can put in what I know. Beyond that, you're on your own. Trekphiler 00:51, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it looks a daunting task, dunnit? As as for the word "crapload", it was not meant in a pejorative sense, but more of a "holy crap" (impressed) sense; if you look at my previous entry, I was mentioning the adding of cites & references -- and when I actually look at the bottom of the page, lo and behold, there are numerous sourcebooks. I am not the kind of editor who thinks there are on average too many sources in an article. I apologize if my use of the word "crapload" implied a "load of crap"; that was the opposite of my intention, and I'll endeavour in future to try not to engage in discussion when my grump-level is spiking.
 * As for the new guys: I'll flag the sourcebook as, say, "A" or such, and then tag the entries. At least then anyone who has a beef with any of those entries need only fetch that particular book and will be able to look it up.
 * And as for sourcing each one -- nice theory, indeed, but it can still happen. There's no statute of limitations that I am aware of on sourcing material. I do a little bit here, a little bit there, in between classes and projects, especially on the pages that I enjoy and many other editors find "crufty" (usually starting with "List of...") -- Sig Pig  |SEND - OVER 02:18, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry about that. I'm a bit touchy about people asking me to source things. I've been reading on the war, & military matters in general, for nigh on 30yrs (jeez, I am old...), but never with citation in mind... I footnoted where I could (not such a big job as I thought...); for those noted "List of nicknames of historical personages" or unfootnoted, as I said, you're on your own. I can't recall a source for them; some of the List of nicknames of historical personages nicknames I've never heard of before. (Some of the people, neither.) For famous guys like Harris or Stark, I noted them "not in dispute" (it really isn't); if you're offended (with reason, it was a bit of a cheap shot), feel free to delete... On a personal note, I'm pleased to see somebody's actually noticed this page, beyond seeking deletion; was it useful? If so, message my page, k? Ciao. Trekphiler 03:21, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

The most obvious one I can think of not on the list is "Bull" Halsey, although I can't recall his real name at the moment. The Dark 13:02, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


 * He's not there for a reason: William Halsey never answered to or recognized it. Trekphiler 02:31, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Then that should be noted in the list, similar to "Ol' Blood and Guts" Patton, or "Dugout Doug" MacArthur (which I doubt he acknowledged positively). The list isn't "List of military figures by nickname they used," but "List of military figures by nickname."  Ignoring a notable nickname that was used in the media and is arguably better-known than the actual name of the figure in question seems to run contrary to the spirit of the list. The Dark 16:35, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I'll put him in, with a note, & note the others. Trekphiler 00:19, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Former Sources section
Following are the somewhat-cleaned-up items from the previous Sources section. None of these were referenced in any footnotes in the article at present. Please use tags if you place these in the article:



Thanks. — Bellhalla 12:28, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Good source for WWI British (Empire) general's nicknames
http://www.firstworldwar.bham.ac.uk/nicknames/index.htm - published by the Centre for First World War Studies at Birmingham University, so it seems pretty reliable (although contributions are requested, it's looks like they'd be checked out before being added). David Underdown (talk) 11:13, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Calling Al Stewart
Since I've always understood pantera =panther, can somebody with better Italian than mine (which is pretty much limited to Greta Scacchi... ;p) confirm the tr of L'uomo Panther? Thx. TREKphiler  hit me ♠  17:37, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Some ommisions
I can't seem to find 'Shimi' Lovat or 'Shan' Hackett?--The Mercenary 73 (talk) 22:11, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Bold names?
Some names are bold, some are not. What's the consensus? Bullmoosebell (talk) 22:48, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd say bolded, since that appears to be the usual for other pages like this. (I have to confess not always thinking to do it...)  TREKphiler   any time you're ready, Uhura  23:50, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Trenchard
He has been listed under the name "Groom", referring to his voice. I thought this was kind of curious but I added another section under the name "Boom". According to his Wiki page, he was also known as "Camel".Flanker235 (talk) 11:40, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Sergeant J (sniper)
How can an unknown sniper have "88 confirmed kills"?

Can someone provide some references please before I delete this entry? I'll give it until the 14th of May. Flanker235 (talk) 06:30, 30 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Due to a lack of verifiable information, the following entry has been deleted:




 * Of course, if any properly resourced information comes to light I see no problem reinstating it. Flanker235 (talk) 08:53, 26 May 2013 (UTC)


 * While we're on the subject of snipers, the claim that Chris Kyle was called "The Legend" needs to be verified. The only case I can find for this was during the eulogy at his funeral. This hardly constitutes a nickname. Flanker235 (talk) 09:12, 13 July 2013 (UTC)


 * The reference to Chris Kyle being called "The Legend" has been removed due to lack of a citation. Flanker235 (talk) 05:32, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Maintenance
I have updated all the sections so that the proper names are bolded. Please feel free to fix any more so that it's all standardised. Flanker235 (talk) 07:12, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Notability / OR
The purpose of this lis is unclear while the topic of "nicknames of military figures" does not seem to have received attention from secondary sources, so it may fail WP:LISTN. I tagged the article accordingly. K.e.coffman (talk) 05:18, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
 * The subject list of motorsports people by nickname hasn't, either, but that doesn't mean it should be considered OR... It's a list. Do you genuinely think every WP list page has to have had independent coverage, first? I give up. Pokemon characters can all have pages, but anything I add, somebody wants to delete. Fine. Delete it. Delete it all. Just don't use my name or anything I've added. Ever.  TREKphiler   any time you're ready, Uhura  09:25, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

List vs Table, and multiple nicknames ?
Should this be a list, or a table ?

How should multiple nicknames be dealt with?

The reason for conflating the two is mostly about sorting. At present Bomber Harris is in there twice, sorted under both Bomber and Butcher. It's also hard to find someone's nicknames from their given name. A table could allow sorting either way. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:33, 14 September 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm no fan of the table format, if only because it makes formatting more complicated for every change or addition. (I also have persistent trouble with table formatting generally, but that's less germane for editors at large.) It started as a list, & IDK why it couldn't have remained one--or be turned back into one. That would also simplify multiple people with the same nickname: double-asterisk nesting, like the year pages (& like it was to begin with).  TREKphiler  any time you're ready, Uhura  05:30, 15 September 2018 (UTC)