Talk:List of oldest living state leaders

Unproven possibilities and future additions
There is a list of all leaders for which there is not a death date on Rulers.org (at least before one month), and I sorted them in few categories (U stands for "unproven", A for "alive"):


 * "None of the Soviet Republic Party Secretaries in this table were in power when their republics were recognized as independent states by other United Nations member states, or by the Commission of the European Economic Community, which should be the criterion for their inclusion in the main article table. Vaino Väljas is a special case, as he was still Party Chairman on August 20, 1991 (the day Estonia restored its independence); however, the Popular Front of Estonia had won the ESSR's republic elections on March 18, 1990, and were directing the government in Tallinn, not the republic's Communist Party." – Jwkozak91 (talk) 05:57, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

1. Good possibility of being alive (1926-1929, 1930 and later to be done): (U=3, A=0)


 * Ambrose Patrick Genda, Sierra Leone, head of government, 1927, somebody with the same name died in London in 2001 (and in "Reinventing the Colonial State: Constitutionalism, One-party Rule, and Civil" (p. 138), it is claimed that he had lived in London) and German wiki claimed he died in 2015
 * Asked about him on German Wiki, he died in 2002, the user told me that the source is "The Paradoxes of History and Memory in Post-Colonial Sierra Leone". I still won't cross him, as I can't preview the book, but I am 99% sure he is not alive anymore StjepanHR (talk) 15:11, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree he's very likely deceased, though I notice that the page reference given in the German article (p679) can't be right because the publisher only lists the book as having 332 pages! Curiously, Genda doesn't appear on List of heads of state of Sierra Leone at all - I don't know why, as others in 'office' for as little as a couple of days do appear. 217.155.59.206 (talk) 12:16, 15 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Ri Kun-mo, North Korea, prime minister, 1926, published in 2004, chronology through 2001, now disputed. Died in 2001 according to Alexandre Mansourov.


 * Emmanuel Bodjollé, Togo, committee, 1928
 * "Historical Dictionary of Togo" (ed. 2021) refers to him as "retired". Is it enough to put him on the list? StjepanHR (talk) 03:38, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

– Adding to prevent further archiving – Jwkozak91 (talk) 08:24, 1 May 2023 (UTC)


 * - and again, bot closed it TheCorriynial (talk) 15:27, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Postponing archive Star Garnet (talk) 07:59, 17 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Re-postponing archive TheCorriynial (talk) 23:29, 28 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Preventing archiving. DerbyCountyinNZ  (Talk Contribs) 23:48, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

1935 births
I appreciate it may be a little too soon for this, but I've put together the following list of 1935 births, who will start to be eligible for inclusion in the article within a few months. To make sure I found as many as possible, I went through the articles on heads of state and heads of government for each state in turn. Of course I may nonetheless have missed some, so additions would be welcome. Any sources that can be found that's newer or better is also welcome.

2A02:8012:227B:0:DDF6:42C0:DAA6:FD03 (talk) 12:50, 29 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I did some looking up of this as well, and I'll add the few missing I've found. And my list has sources, maybe I'll add them as well. TheCorriynial (talk) 15:57, 29 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you for adding sources and Sharavyn Gungaadorj, who I missed. I've removed Sir John Swan though as Bermuda isn't an sovereign state, but a British Overseas Territory. On a similar basis, I looked again at whether Young Vivian of Niue should be included. Political status of the Cook Islands and Niue seems quite clear that the island's status is akin to the Compact of Free Association states. 2A02:8012:227B:0:DDF6:42C0:DAA6:FD03 (talk) 17:00, 29 May 2023 (UTC)


 * In relation to Mahmoud Abbas, Palestine has been recognised by the UN since 2012, but his tenure goes back before that, so I was unsure precisely what description to use for him and whether/in what way the shift in status should be indicated in the table. That's why I put 'Unclear staus?' with a question mark - I was unclear about his specific title(s) as leader over time.


 * I was similarly unsure about the Dalai Lama. He will almost certainly be in the 'Unclear status' table, but what to describe him as, and over what time period? I think what I've put in the table is simple and accurate, but it may not be. 2A02:8012:227B:0:8875:5FA5:E124:5FEB (talk) 14:12, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


 * José Mujica is from Uruguay, not from Paraguay Pindrice (talk) 22:55, 13 June 2023 (UTC)


 * The claim of the Palestinian Territories (the only legal entity that exists under the Oslo Accords) to legal statehood is not recognised by most of the Big Five in the UN (UK, USA, France) and observer status at the UN is not actual membership. Those factors should weigh the most when considering where Abbas should go. 180.150.38.126 (talk) 14:52, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Postponing archive Star Garnet (talk) 07:59, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Recovered tables from archiving bot.– Jwkozak91 (talk) 10:22, 28 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Re-postponing archive TheCorriynial (talk) 23:29, 28 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Preventing archiving. DerbyCountyinNZ  (Talk Contribs) 23:48, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Désiré Rakotoarijaona
Malagasy Wikipedia says he died in 2020, with the source being this. There are also videos seemingly connected to his funeral. However, you can also find two videos uploaded only this past May featuring a person claimed to be him. TVShowFan122 (talk) 19:45, 20 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Odd... feels like a Ri Kun-mo here. But, I think we would have seen something had he died in 2020. Can anyone confirm it with a Malagasy source? I also checked the deaths in 2020 (English one anyway), he wasn't listed there, and id think he would have been noted with all the leaders who died that year. TheCorriynial (talk) 20:47, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree with what TheCorriynial said I just checked the article deaths in Deaths in January 2020 and I couldn't find his name there, the Malagasy Wiki states that he died on the 2nd of January 2020 but when I looked up for his name there I can't find It. 2001:FD8:1723:EF70:17DA:B26A:8F7B:F6C7 (talk) 13:50, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I looked at the source, the issue with the death source is its listed as a site poster, so we can't confirm, unless the newer video can be proved its him. The source date in January 5th, 2020, so I went and checked that date, but he wasn't there either. TheCorriynial (talk) 14:18, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I have also started looking for sources (ie: news articles) but I couldn't find any that says he died on the 2nd of January 2020. 2001:FD8:2666:1E97:17DB:AF2D:195C:B4EA (talk) 21:20, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I looked at the two videos from later, the first one is gone, but the second one is still up, and if someone could find a photo of him from some time recently, we might be able to compare and see if they are similar face wise. I did look at the one in the source used and the video, they seem similar, but since angle of the video is on the side of the persons face, I can't be sure. And there's also the problem if the video is recent or not. TheCorriynial (talk) 23:14, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Can you at least give the link of the video. 2001:FD8:265A:F090:17DC:2733:8534:614A (talk) 09:19, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Its the second link in the "However, you can also find two videos uploaded only this past May featuring a person claimed to be him." in the word "video". TheCorriynial (talk) 17:10, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * How could we know if that claimant is really Mr. Rakoatorjoana 2001:FD8:651:5684:1:2:4CD8:3411 (talk) 11:02, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * This case is pretty simple; somebody on Malagasy WP just conflated two people. The person who died was 93 in 2020, so 7-8 years older than the PM, and doesn't look anything like him; meanwhile the recently posted videos do appear to be the PM and the poster appears to be the theologian he claims to be. I'm not sure what would compel two sets of parents to name their sons 'desire to cover up the truth' but that's beside the point. I don't believe the recent videos make any reference to when they were recorded. Star Garnet (talk) 15:09, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Star Garnet thanks for your insights about this topis 2001:FD8:651:5684:1:2:4CD8:3411 (talk) 00:21, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Ahmed Osman possibly has died?
I was looking at some sources on google, and a news article came up talking about his founding party had won an election in 2021, and it says "Late Prime Minister Ahmed Osman" which may imply he's died sometime before the articles date of September 10, 2021 and after the source used in the list. Is it possible? TheCorriynial (talk) 19:50, 29 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Source, by the way: https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20210910-why-has-moroccos-justice-and-development-party-lost-so-badly/ TheCorriynial (talk) 19:55, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It seems rather unlikely that the media would have totally missed his passing, and I've seen 'late' used as a synonym/mistranslation for 'former' fairly frequently. Without another source, I wouldn't put much stock in it. Star Garnet (talk) 21:56, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Is it possible to hide the entry until a source is found that Ahmed Osman has died or even living. 2001:FD8:1714:F95A:17DD:6EF5:EABD:5A7D (talk) 08:06, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Possible reinstatement of the Article:List of longest-living state leaders
Is there a possibility that the article titled List of longest-living state leaders be recreated but this time we will look for citations or references on their desths 2001:FD8:651:5684:1:2:4CD8:3411 (talk) 00:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Cesar Yanes Urias
This is not qualified enough for a metion? --95.24.79.236 (talk) 19:36, 4 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Social media posts aren't officially accepted, but we can use them to note that they are still around on that date. TheCorriynial (talk) 20:45, 4 July 2024 (UTC)