Talk:List of space travellers by first flight

Correction for references used:
Please help to correct the references # 297 and 298 which seem to have been garbled as I sought to update them from the earlier entry for Astronauts serial # 555 when I created the new entry # 557 after the launch of Soyuz MS-09 today 6 June 2018. Thanks. Abul Bakhtiar (talk) 11:59, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Soyuz MS-10
According to the discussion on that article, it is unclear if Soyuz MS-10 reached the Karman line, therefore, not sure if Nick Hague cab go on this list.--Golan&#39;s mom (talk) 08:13, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Satcher
The caption for the picture of Robert Satcher says that he was the first orthopedic surgeon in space. Sheikh Muszaphar Shukor, who visited the ISS two years before Satcher, was actually the first. See references 2, 4, and 7 from the article on Muszaphar. 71.235.184.247 (talk) 16:27, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Soyuz MS-10 (again), X-15, and SpaceShipTwo
The opening paragraph of this article says "The United States Air Force considers an altitude of 50 mi as the limit of space; United States Air Force and NASA personnel exceeding that altitude can be awarded the astronaut badge. Thirteen X-15 flights traveled higher than 50 miles as did 2 Spaceshiptwo flights. These can be categorized as manned spaceflights because they were launched from the United states above it's definition of space."

So why does this entry not include the eight X-15 pilots - five Air Force pilots (who were all awarded Air Force astronaut wings around the time of their flight) and three NASA pilots (who were awarded NASA civilian astronaut wings in 2004 after SpaceShipOne's pilots got their commercial wings) - and Nick Hague who was in Soyuz MS-10, all of whom flew between 50.3 and 95.9 km, when the two crews of SpaceShipTwo are listed here when they "only" flew 82.7 and 89.9 km? If the government of your home country says you made it, then they should be listed. It should be all of these or none of them. -- Wizardimps (talk) 00:21, 13 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Oh, and NASA considers Hague to be a "flown" astronaut as well. "Because Hague and Ovchinin launched and landed in a spacecraft on an intended mission to the International Space Station, NASA considers them to have achieved the status of flown astronauts, making this Hague’s second spaceflight and Ovchinin’s third." -- Wizardimps (talk) 00:26, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

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Emphasis change
I changed the emphasis for moon walking and flying to the moon, from bold and italic to symbols. The bold is too over-powering, discriminating against people who didn't walk on the moon. I'm not sure a list even needs such details--who died, when they died, moon-walked or not--but I think that at least un-bolding moon-walking while still keeping the info there is an improvement. Edwin Pixley (talk) 11:16, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Astronaut definition
Would the group that just flew on the blue origin flight even be considered astronauts? They aren't controlling the ship in any way. They're just passengers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by StripedCucumberBeetle (talk • contribs) 21:00, July 20, 2021 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, but this article is using the term space traveller, not astronaut. Presumably, the former one is broader and more fuzzy and can include passengers. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  11:56, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Discrepancy in recent numbers (~600)
See Talk:SpaceX_Crew-3. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 11:54, 17 November 2021 (UTC)


 * That count includes those who've passed the US definition of space at 80km altitude. The international definition of space is the Karman line at 100km. This is already accounted for in the lede of this article. EP111 (talk) 17:31, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Page mergers
Once this table becomes sortable by name, there will be no need for a separate page to list space travellers by name. The table is already sortable by nationality.

All of those pages can then be merged to this one, and the name shortened to "List of space travelers." Rupertslander (talk) 17:55, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

The table is now sortable by name. Rupertslander (talk) 00:29, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Future criteria for inclusion
In fairness, we will eventually come to a point where some additional criteria will likely be set for inclusion on this page. This is just my opinion but these seem a good start for reasonable criteria for inclusion, with any one likely being sufficient:


 * Be among the first 1000 to cross the Karman line, orbit the Earth or reach escape velocity;
 * We're not there yet of course. Also, 1000 should not necessarily be construed as an absolute cap for unconditional inclusion as long as editors are able to diligently add new space travelers in timely manner;
 * Be a notable "first space traveller" in some meaningful way (first man or woman from a country in space, for example);
 * Have an established Wikipedia page;
 * Qualify for U.S. "astronaut wings" or equivalent or otherwise be recognized as having significant responsibility for operations in space while in space (currently redundant since all such persons have Wikipedia articles).

This list is not necessarily exhaustive. Rupertslander (talk) 17:59, 20 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Having come to my attention, I've spent a few days considering the best course of action. When I created this page, my idea was simply for what it was; a list of (then) astronauts by first flight, in chronological order and crossing the Karman line. Earlier this year, I expanded the page to include everybody who'd crossed the Karman line; as a matter of completeness and due to the varying definitions of exactly who is an astronaut, internationally. At this point, adding extra criteria is going to create WP:BLOAT on a page which is already significantly more than 100k in size. As things stood before the recent addition of the orbit enumeration, the article already needed to be WP:SIZESPLIT. As far as I'm concerned, orbit has nothing to do with whether or not anybody is a space traveller or an astronaut; suborbital trajectories can reach far higher apogees than anyone who's been launched apart from the Apollo missions. I was willing to wait until a mass passenger (10 people or more) launch happened before splitting the article, rather than doing it by an arbitrary date; though there would be a case for splitting it by century. I was expecting the split to happen with a SpaceX Starship mass passenger launch; after which, the list would probably be split by decade or year. Once a mass passenger launch happens, I would expect the list to include only notable individuals and with an additional line stating plus xxx others, as a number. I definitely think that the List of Earth orbit space travellers should be split to another article, already, and that nothing further should be merged into this one. It's preferable to avoid monolithic pages, simply for ease of loading. Of course, Wikipedia allows for page creation (which I see you've already done) on any number of subjects, which helps to avoid this scenario. EP111 (talk) 17:25, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Multiple links go to the wrong place
Multiple links go to the wrong place — Preceding unsigned comment added by Absolus (talk • contribs) 03:10, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

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Did dude perfect actually go into space?
Did they actually pass the Kerman line? Or was this just a high altitude flight. Superdoggo (talk) 02:10, 6 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Well it certainly does seem like it [2 ] Earl2007 (talk) 03:19, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
 * And Blue Origin NS-22 Earl2007 (talk) 03:30, 31 January 2024 (UTC)