Talk:Lithium/Archive 2

What does the Lewis Dot Diagram and model of the shell look like?
Please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:244:4801:8C00:9102:2100:ABFF:1A5 (talk) 21:24, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Suggeseted edit to Occurrence - astronomical.
at the bottom of the astronomical part of occurrence it says:

"On 27 May 2020, astronomers reported that classical novae explosions are the galactic producers of lithium."

I think this should be carified to say:

"On 27 May 2020, astronomers reported that classical novae explosions are the galactic producers of lithium-7."

my reasoning is based on this qoute:

"The studies reported in this paper confirm that a TNR on a CO WD overproduces 7Be with respect to solar material and in amounts that imply that such CNe are responsible for a significant amount of galactic 7Li. In contrast, 6Li is produced by spallation in the interstellar medium (Fields 2011), and its abundance in the solar system should not correlate with 7Li. Hernanz (2015) gives an excellent discussion of the cosmological importance of detecting 7Li in nova explosions. We return to this comparison in Section 5.1."

from: (which is source 35 on the lithium page)

(appologies in advance if I have broken any terms or rules, this isnt my area of expertise)

Jon Willetts (talk) 13:40, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ Good catch, the quote you mentioned here indeed specifies lithium-7. I updated the article accordingly. ComplexRational (talk) 20:43, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Reserves
This is off topic although could anyone assist in checking that the following discussion was added to the lithium talk page ""Reserves" section needs to be re-researched and rewritten in some parts as some of this information is 10 years old" Could you confirm that the discussion was added to the lithium talk page? I'm not sure if it just didn't publish and that I should republish. I don't want to duplicate discussion Thanks in advance to anyone's help on this. I'm new IbisSun (talk) 08:23, 17 March 2021 (UTC)


 * The Reserves Section states:

Worldwide identified reserves in 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020 were estimated by the US Geological Survey (USGS) to be 14 million, 16 million, 14 million and 17 million tonnes, respectively.[48]


 * This is as good as it can get. Only 10 years old is the study that the lithium reserves are not limiting the battery production. That should not have changed a lot. --Stone (talk) 08:59, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Environmental issues section needs rewrite
The current Environmental issues section of the Lithium page should either be excised or entirely rewritten with much better citations (3 provided below for starters).

The Environmental issues section only discusses lithium brine, and its writing is not up to standard. Most of its text cites Volkswagon, a source with a clear conflict of interest. The New York Times citation is misrepresentative of the actual article, and especially the statement "net environmental impacts may thus be positive" is a conclusion not present in the NYT citation at all.

The UNCTAD report on the issue is quite clear and could be quoted verbatim for the Environmental issues section (see p46 of the below linked PDF): "The two  forms  of  lithium  mining  (brine  and  rock extraction) also present social and environmental risks... The  mining  industry  depends  on  a  large  amount  of groundwater in one of the driest desert regions in the world  to  pump  out  brines  from  drilled  wells.  Some estimates  show  that  approximately  1.9  million  litres of  water  is  needed  to  produce  a  tonne  of  lithium.  In Chile’s Salar de Atacama, lithium and other mining activities consumed 65 per cent of the region’s water... As  the  mining  sites  overlap  with  nature  conservation areas,   mining   activities   have   been   responsible   for   ecosystem  degradation  and  landscape  damage... Lithium rock mining also presents significant environmental risks. Breathing lithium dust or alkaline lithium  compounds  irritates  respiratory  tracts and prolonged exposure to lithium can cause fluid to build-up in the lungs, leading to pulmonary oedema. As demand for lithium increases and production is tapped from deeper  rock  mines  and  brines,  the  challenges  of  mitigating environmental risk will also increase."

https://unctad.org/system/files/official-document/ditccom2019d5_en.pdf https://investingtrends.com/APHLF/the-green-energy-revolution-is-creating-massive-global-demand-for-lithium-5/?utm_campaign=APHLF_SPG&utm_source=10301&utm_medium=email&utm_content=luxury

Wired and National Geographic also both have fairly recent articles about the impact of lithium mining on the environment, in particular contaminated water which can destroy aquatic ecosystems, significant water table impact, and refining byproduct disposal. Summaries from these articles would be a much better starting point for a rewrite of this section.

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environment-impact

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2019/02/lithium-is-fueling-technology-today-at-what-cost/

AlternateCurrent (talk) 17:16, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

I have added the above citations to Lithium-ion_battery in an edit to the second paragraph. If this page's section is brought up to standard, it would be good to add a See Also to the battery page.

AlternateCurrent (talk) 17:21, 10 February 2021 (UTC)


 * ✅ Pulled in the text from the Lithium-ion battery section and added a reference. Eliminated the offending text under the reasoning given at top as nobody has posted a defense of it in the 6 weeks since I started this Talk section. AlternateCurrent (talk) 19:18, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Pie Chart for Applications is Wrong
The graph that is there under the application section does not match with the numbers presented below. This needs to be updated to be uniform. Anyways the statistics used is for 2011 which is more than one decade ago, maybe new statistics can be found.

Kash Up (talk) 17:23, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2021
Please consider an addition to the last paragraph of "Terrestrial" section:

Another extraction method under consideration in Cornwall is by mining the rock lithium mica granite to obtain lithium carbonate.

Thanks.

217.155.32.221 (talk) 13:43, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * ❌. At this stage, it's mostly speculation on how the lithium could be mined, and this section is about terrestrial sources of lithium, not how it's mined. I've done a rewrite of the paragraph in question. ◢  Ganbaruby!   (talk) 17:40, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking—perhaps it was a bit specific for a general article lie this.--217.155.32.221 (talk) 19:57, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 August 2021
Text and references regarding the lithium test in brown dwarfs, as well as lithium detections in low-mass companions of compact relativistic objects are not accurate and need to be revised Anakleto13 (talk) 00:39, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:45, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Atomic structure
Why doesn't this article describe the normal atomic structure, e.g. like Helium's page "Helium is composed of two electrons in atomic orbitals surrounding a nucleus containing two protons and (usually) two neutrons. " As the page is semi protected I can't add it but this quote is referenced: "Lithium has 3 protons, 3 electrons and 4 neutrons".https://chem.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Inorganic_Chemistry/Supplemental_Modules_and_Websites_(Inorganic_Chemistry)/Descriptive_Chemistry/Elements_Organized_by_Block/1_s-Block_Elements/Group__1%3A_The_Alkali_Metals/Z003_Chemistry_of_Lithium_(Z3) 51.6.235.68 (talk) 00:07, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 March 2022
Please remove this little bit

95 USD/kg (or US$43/lb)

and add this

U$95/kg (or US$43/lb)

Either "US$number" or "number USD" is correct, but using both together doesn't look right. 49.198.51.54 (talk) 19:20, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:28, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

What is 230 billion tonnes?
"Lithium content of seawater is very large and is estimated as 230 billion tonnes" What is billion? Is it 1000 000 000 or 1000 000 000 000? Voproshatel (talk) 06:15, 15 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Very good question. The vast majority of the articles on Wikipedia are in the short scale, where a billion is 109. So the figure is $230,000,000,000 tonne$. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 09:52, 15 August 2022 (UTC)


 * "The vast majority" is not "only". In the English-speaking field of Wikipedia there are not enough rules about the use of a numerical scale. In true (British) English, long scale is used . --Voproshatel (talk) 12:26, 15 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Voproshatel, the UK officially converted to the short scale in 1974 and I personally have never seen the long scale in any publication since, as your link suggests. See Billion for history. At least Europe, Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the USA are all short scale. So, the answer is 230,000,000,000t E x nihil (talk) 11:56, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

"Lithium compound" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Lithium compound and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 28 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. -- Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 00:02, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

needs a section on lithium exposure and obesity
this is a known thing, separate from prescription lithium 2601:645:100:8380:0:0:0:DFE5 (talk) 02:04, 3 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Do you have a reliable medical source about this hypothesis? Note that popular science coverage, such as in news media, is not acceptable for medical topics. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 02:37, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * A 2022 review indicates there is no effect on body weight during lithium therapy for bipolar disorder, edited into the article here. Zefr (talk) 02:43, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 February 2023
Add in this table the reserves of Lithium found in India 2405:201:4004:F03F:4903:BDBE:BCA1:B1D3 (talk) 14:48, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:21, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

India finds 5.9 Million Metric Tonnes of Lithium Reserves in Union Territory of Jammu & Kashmir
Geological Survey of India has for the first time established Lithium inferred resources (G3) of 5.9 million tonnes in Salal-Haimana area of Reasi District of Jammu & Kashmir (UT) on 09 February 2023. This makes India the country with Second Largest Lithium Reserves in the world. Hemshailabhthe1 (talk) 18:39, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: ERTH 4303 Resources of the Earth
— Assignment last updated by ChloejWard (talk) 03:40, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

Lithium Isotopes
It's been known for almost a decade that Lithium 7 is produced in ordinary novae. (Actually it's beryllium 7 that's produced and it decays to Lithium 7.)98.183.98.6 (talk) 15:20, 9 March 2023 (UTC)Syd Henderson

Semi-protected edit request on 24 March 2023
Typo. "It air it oxidizes" should be changed to "In air it oxidizes" Gfanari (talk) 13:41, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ M.Bitton (talk) 13:44, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Split production into another article: feedback encouraged!
The current article is 7k+ words, way too long for most readers. I propose splitting the Production section into a separate article "Lithium production" and including a brief summary here. This would also sharpen this article's focus on the element itself. I also have some material to add, but don't want to make the article even longer. Lfstevens (talk) 02:07, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Support. --Smokefoot (talk) 03:32, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Support. Best section for this indeed, relevant notability. WP:SPLIT. -DePiep (talk) 10:14, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per above.  141 Pr  {contribs} 12:55, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Natural abundances references unclear
I cannot find the claimed abundance-values in the two cited references. I can however find an alternative reference claiming a different value (https://reader.elsevier.com/reader/sd/pii/B9780444511157000024?token=FEE1A595881CF0D109756AD7F87F83C394C8B249329B4FD12D3ADBFCF41EA837704E92729B7848FAB7F6274B890ABFEB&originRegion=eu-west-1&originCreation=20230510080244). Please cross-check. 129.129.71.76 (talk) 08:08, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

"low enough thermal neutron capture cross sections" apply to slow neutron MSR breeders
Because the "low enough thermal neutron capture cross sections" are not particularly relevant for FAST NEUTRON MSR breeders, I recommend the following change (Notes section, recommended change in uppercase): "are the only nuclides with low enough thermal neutron capture cross sections aside from actinides to serve as major constituents of a SLOW NEUTRON molten salt breeder reactor fuel." 84.236.10.100 (talk) 12:14, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Changes in pricing
Under "pricing' this should be added:

Chile's President Gabriel Boric made an announcement on April 20, 2023, stating that the country intends to nationalize its lithium industry. The stated goal behind this decision was to stimulate economic growth while also safeguarding the environment, and came after a 70% plunge in prices caused by weakening EV demand in China. MkenneyMF (talk) 21:06, 9 June 2023 (UTC)