Talk:Lloyd L. Gaines

2004 commentary
This has the makings of an extremely good article. It needs serious cleanup, and it has editorializing. I'm also going to look into whether there's a possible copyvio going on here. Hydriotaphia 08:45, Dec 25, 2004 (UTC)

After doing some googling, I haven't been able to find any copyvio. Looks like this is an original. Hydriotaphia 08:49, Dec 25, 2004 (UTC)

from Vfd
On 17 Feb 2005, this article was nominated for deletion. There was no consensus. See Votes for deletion/Lloyd L. Gaines for a record of the discussion.

from John
The accuracy of information needs to be checked. The article indicates that Lloyd Gaines disappeared on March 19, 1939. I think it was later than that.

The Supreme Court of the United States issued its decision in December, 1938, and remanded the case to the Supreme Court of Missouri. On August 1, 1939, the Supreme Court of Missouri ordered a hearing to be held, so that it could be determined whether the newly-created law school at Lincoln University (for blacks) was equal to the law school at the University of Missouri (for whites). State ex rel. Gaines v. Canada, 344 Mo. 1238, 131 S.W.2d 217 (1939).

If Gaines had disappeared 6 months previously, it seems unlikely that the court would have proceeded with the case. I do not recall the citation at this point, but I recall reading that the hearing was set for October, 1939, and that Gaines disappeared a few weeks prior to that.
 * According to this this source, the NAACP wasn't keeping very close tabs on Gaines's whereabouts and only found out in September 1939, six months after his APhiA buddies said they'd last seen him, when they went back to get him prepped for the hearing. You have to remember that was a much less wired society back then and information, even with the telegraph, telephone and radio, could still not travel fast. Disappearances didn't make big news then unless it was, say, someone big like Judge Crater. There was little the police could do to trace someone, and often (just as still happens sometimes now; see Casey Anthony) people weren't reported missing until long after they had last been seen ... Crater's absence wasn't reported to the police for a while, and later that year Barbara Newhall Follett's disappearance wasn't reported to the police for two weeks and not considered a missing-persons case for four months. Daniel Case (talk) 03:15, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

The proposed topic is appropriate, but it needs better citations.

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is it safe to say that he was probably murdered by someone? 24.147.127.44 (talk) 16:30, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
 * His surviving relatives say that his family probably believed as much—they were from rural Mississippi and knew all too well how the Klan worked and would have known not to say anything at the time. But the writer of the above-cited article talks to two people who say that Lorenzo Greene had talked to him on a visit to Mexico in the late 1940s. The article does establish that Gaines was growing weary of his role and may have wanted to walk away from it; it advances the theory that some segregationist(s) paid him a lot of money to just get out of the country and disappear. Daniel Case (talk) 03:21, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

I added his approx age at disappearance. It is commonly (if perhaps inaccurately) believed that he was abducted and murdered by racists, but no clues (and no Klan-type bragging) ever materialized, and Chicago seems (now) an unlikely place for Klan activity. By now, of course, anyone with first-hand knowledge is gone. Sussmanbern (talk) 02:50, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

From Slidhome
It is unclear from the article which law school has Mr. Gaines' portrait. It is not the school created by the Missouri General Assembly, the Lincoln University School of Law, as a result of the Supreme Court decision because that school ceased to exist in 1955. The article refers to "the law school" several times and that needs clarification. Having read several sources about Mr. Gaines, I think it is safe to say the portrait hangs in the University of Missouri School of Law, -- the oldest one. Slidhome (talk) 17:51, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It is and that's what was intended ... I was unsure if Lincoln still had a law school since the sources established that the one started in 1939 was closed during the war for lack of students, so I didn't distinguish there, and I thought the antecedent was clear. Apparently not. Daniel Case (talk) 19:30, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

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