Talk:Madman Entertainment

CSD?
Not speedyable - bags of Google hits and a not bad Alexa rating. It's commercial, but it's describing its service, not offering a pricelist. Legit. Denni &#9775; 03:20, 2005 July 20 (UTC)

The edits made by the person from 202.173.183.218 seems to not be very neutral, What do you think? The person also unusually removed most links and instead put the words in caps, as if for emphasis.Zero1328 07:47, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

In case nobody else had noticed, 202.173.183.218 is in the netblock owned by Madman themselves...

Lists oh lists!
I've added a template to the main article advising it needs cleanup as the lists have taken the article over. See WP:NOT for why this is problematic. kabl00ey 21:59, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I think it might be a good idea to move the lists to their own sub-articles(s). How do I do that? Mark Lungo 17:23, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Don't Forget
Don't forget. Madman Ent. is possibly named after the Silverchair song "Madman" from Frogstomp. —Preceding unsigned comment added by A&MFan (talk • contribs) 00:30, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

List to Cat
Following the trends in other company articles, I've removed the huge lists from this article of titles distributed by Madman Entertainment. Instead, series distributed by the company should be added to the Category:Madman Entertainment category or an appropriate subcategory such as Category:Madman Entertainment anime, Category:Madman Entertainment manga, etc. The lists that were in the article can be found at: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Madman_Entertainment&oldid=234533750. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 13:05, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

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"Umbrella Entertainment" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Umbrella Entertainment. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Matthew hk (talk) 17:04, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Madman Anime Group
Even though Madman Anime Group and Madman Entertainment are separate companies legally, they still operate together, and have lots of overlap in information. Both companies aren't really too distinct from one another to warrant separate pages. If Madman Anime Group were to be expanded, both pages would have significant overlap in information, especially on their history. Madman Anime Group can still easily be explained in Madman Entertainment, and many of Madman Anime Group's projects (like Madman Anime Festival and AnimeLab) still involve Madman Entertainment in some way today.

Example: Madman Anime Group films still use Madman Films (a division of Madman Entertainment) for distribution, Madman Anime Festival involves Madman Interactive (part of Madman Entertainment), Madman Anime Group's home video utilises Madman Entertainment for distribution, Madman Anime Group and Madman Entertainment both still share the same social media accounts. Alex Tenshi (talk) 17:28, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
 * ❌ This will cause confusion. These are two different companies and they have different owners. Renamed user 2563edsdasdvas1d (talk) 10:30, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Except having two pages will cause even more confusion, since not everyone is aware of who or what Madman Anime Group is. Madman Anime Group also requires context from Madman Entertainment in order to provide a better understanding of Madman Anime Group (WP:NOPAGE). Madman Anime Group also fails WP:GNG, since it does not have significant coverage in reliable sources (most articles describing Madman Anime Group are about Madman Entertainment selling the company, or are about AnimeLab, not about Madman Anime Group itself).


 * Furthermore, articles like Manga Entertainment are also about 2 extremely distinct companies with different ownership and share basically nothing except name and broad history, and yet they share the same article. Having a page split just because of different company ownership isn't justification for a separate page. Alex Tenshi (talk) 05:16, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * The company is known through its subsidiary AnimeLab, so the article should be renamed to AnimeLab. Like Village Roadshow Pictures and Village Roadshow Entertainment Group. This will solve the problems with WP:NOPAGE and WP:GNG. Renamed user 2563edsdasdvas1d (talk) 12:38, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Madman Anime Group is NOT known as AnimeLab, Madman Anime Group is known as Madman Entertainment (per WP:COMMONNAME, the most recognisable name for Madman Anime Group is Madman Entertainment, even if they aren't owned by Madman Entertainment Pty Ltd). Information about Madman Anime Group specifically (not AnimeLab) should still be merged back into Madman Entertainment because this section itself requires context from Madman Entertainment (WP:MERGEREASON#4). The example about Village Roadshow Pictures and Village Roadshow Entertainment Group is different because the context about VREG is on the same article as Village Roadshow Entertainment, whilst the context for Madman Anime Group is on Madman Entertainment, not on AnimeLab. AnimeLab can be kept as a separate page, however, because of context reasons, Madman Anime Group should be merged back into Madman Entertainment, if necessary, as its own section. Alex Tenshi (talk) 17:30, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Variety: 'Madman Anime Group’s AnimeLab'. CBR: 'Madman Anime Group’s AnimeLab'. Anime News Network: 'Madman Anime Group's AnimeLab'. Renamed user 2563edsdasdvas1d (talk) 07:25, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
 * This doesn't address WP:COMMONNAME. They all mention 'Madman Anime Group's AnimeLab' and not 'AnimeLab' by itself. These articles are discussing the streaming businesses of the companies, not the entirety of the companies. The wording of 'Madman Anime Group's AnimeLab' also implies that 'AnimeLab' doesn't represent the entirety of Madman Anime Group, and instead are a small part of Madman Anime Group. If Madman Anime Group were to be commonly referred to as AnimeLab, then home video releases by Madman Anime Group would be branded as AnimeLab (a Madman Anime Group employee even stated that the Madman brand is 'sticking around' after Aniplex bought out MAG ). This also doesn't address WP:MERGEREASON#4, since Madman Anime Group 'requires the background material or context from a broader article in order for readers to understand it'. Alex Tenshi (talk) 16:40, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

I've put in a request at WP:3O to gain a third opinion on this matter, since this has come to a standstill. Alex Tenshi (talk) 16:23, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, shouldn't the merge be the other way around? It seems Madman Entertainment is much more developed than Madman Anime Group, which is in fact a redirect to a section AnimeLab. If I understand correctly, the goal is to merge everything in one article AnimeLab, but maybe there should be at least two articles, one for the companies, and one for the service AnimeLab? --Signimu (talk) 18:52, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * The merge was originally proposed merging of Madman Anime Group into Madman Entertainment. Since then, Madman Anime Group was renamed to AnimeLab, in order to try to meet WP:GNG significant coverage. Alex Tenshi (talk) 03:40, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah ok thanks for the clarification. So if I understand correctly, Madman Anime Group used to belong to Madman Entertainment, before being acquired by Aniplex? Hence the issue is whether to merge Madman Anime Group (now AnimeLab entry) into Madman Entertainment because of the history? Well for that I'm not sure, IMHO it would also make sense to merge AnimeLab into Aniplex if there's sufficient news coverage, and a simple mention of Madman Anime Group inside the Madman Entertainment entry would be enough to link (and similarly in Aniplex as to avoid duplicating historical infos). The second option would be I think more future proof. --Signimu (talk) 04:11, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, Can someone please assist. I would like to revive or recreate a page for Umbrella Entertainment. This page was deleted and I would like to submit a new article as a draft 203.209.198.58 (talk) 05:11, 28 October 2019 (UTC)


 * So Signimu, I'm kinda confused by what you're saying with your proposal. Merge AnimeLab into Aniplex, and have info about Madman Anime Group as a section on Madman Entertainment, with links to Aniplex? Sorry, the wording got me a bit confused. Alex Tenshi (talk) 16:37, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's the idea, and yeah me too I had to wrap my head around it with the name changing AnimeLab <-> Madman Anime Group Since AnimeLab now belongs to Aniplex, we can bet future references (and probably some current ones too) about AnimeLab will be a better fit in the Aniplex article. Then in Madman Entertainment, either a quick recap and a link to the subsection Aniplex would suffice, or the section can be composed of the history of Madman Anime Group up to where it was acquired by Aniplex, and the rest will be in Aniplex. In summary, it all depends whether you prefer the whole history in one place (then in Aniplex, because that's where the history will continue in the future) or don't mind a split and prefer the history to be in context (then history is cut pre-acquisition in Madman Entertainment and post-acquisition in Aniplex). I hope that's clear enough and that I didn't get confused  --Signimu (talk) 18:12, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm still not 100% sure about these proposals. I do think it is necessary for Madman Anime Group to have its own section in Aniplex (alongside other Aniplex subsidiaries) as a brief summary, but I don't think it should be where future information about the company should be listed.


 * For one, Madman Anime Group is still known as Madman Entertainment, so having it solely as a section of Aniplex would bring confusion, since most people recognise Madman's anime business as Madman Entertainment. (ie: Twitter uses "Madman Entertainment", this video shows Madman Anime Group employees as Madman Entertainment employees, anime home video releases still say "Distributed by Madman Entertainment")


 * AnimeLab is still closely associated with the Madman Entertainment name. AnimeLab is vague on saying who runs the service. On the bottom of the website, it states: "Brought to you by Madman Entertainment Pty Ltd. ABN 78 102 391 373", but the T&Cs say "AnimeLab is operated by or on behalf of Madman Anime Group Pty Ltd (ABN 50 615 305 587)". Furthermore, future references for AnimeLab would not be appropriate under Aniplex since AnimeLab was recently consolidated with Wakanim and Funimation, and therefore it might be a better fit in Funimation, but it would be best wherever Madman Anime Group is since AnimeLab is still operated by Madman, and their website references Madman but not Aniplex or Funimation.


 * Another reason is currently there are many articles which currently link to Madman Entertainment that would need to be changed to that section of Aniplex. It would need to be decided whether current articles which link to Madman Entertainment should be Madman Entertainment, or Madman Entertainment.


 * What I am thinking is: summarise info about Madman Anime Group and AnimeLab on Aniplex, with important info there. Keep all history of Madman Anime Group in Madman Entertainment, but as a dedicated subsection (kinda like Manga Entertainment). AnimeLab should go on the same page as wherever Madman Anime Group ends up being. Alex Tenshi (talk) 08:59, 30 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Woah, that's a quite convoluted situation, thank you for taking the time to clarify this out! Ok then if there are still ties between Manga Madman Anime Group and Manga Madman Entertainment, sure it makes sense to merge Manga Madman Anime Group/AnimeLab into Manga Madman Entertainment, and just provide a quick summary and link in Aniplex to AnimeLab --Signimu (talk) 03:43, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

I assume you're talking about Madman Anime Group and Madman Entertainment, not Manga Entertainment, but yes, that's basically the situation. Two separately owned companies using the same name, working out of the same building, and still heavily integrated with one another. Alex Tenshi (talk) 12:19, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes sorry, you're correct, it was a lapsus Agreed, if they are in the same building, no wonder they still share a lot of context and resources  --Signimu (talk) 01:40, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Dream Visions Entertainment
Dream Visions Entertainment is a Company.--2600:1702:4B28:F760:219:E3FF:FEE0:BE2B (talk) 18:41, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Split proposal to Madman Anime
I propose that the section Madman Entertainment, and elements in previous sections regarding Madman Anime, be split into a separate article titled Madman Anime. Since the previous merge discussion (which I was involved) in 2019, the company has become less affiliated with Madman Entertainment and more affiliated with Funimation/Crunchyroll, and as such, the overlap in information is less applicable now. For example, in 2020, the Funimation About page did not make any mention of any international business, whilst the former 2022 Funimation About page and the current Crunchyroll About page both list Melbourne as an office location for the company. Additionally, this change is further exacerbated by the company changing its name from Madman Anime Group Pty. Ltd. to Crunchyroll Pty. Ltd. on 23 March 2022, further distinguishing itself from Madman Entertainment. I oppose splitting to Madman Anime Group as this is no longer the name of the business as of 23 March 2022 and was always their legal name rather than common name, and to Crunchyroll ANZ as the company has not announced any change in its trading name and thus changing it to that would be preemptive. As for Madman Anime, this is the name commonly used by the company in its public presence, such as Twitter, Facebook, YouTube and Instagram. tenshibeat (talk&#124;contribs) 16:53, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

agree Crucial9564 (talk) 14:56, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Also agree Ruairidhbevan (talk) 00:35, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

"Umbrella Entertainment" as a redirect
Currently the Umbrella Entertainment wiki is redirecting to Madman Entertainment. This is causing some incorrect information, whereby films with Umbrella Entertainment listed as the distributor in their wiki are redirecting to Madman Entertainment. I have built a draft page here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jamesk7395/sandbox

What steps can be taken to reinstate Umbrella Entertainment's wikipedia page? Note many other film distributors in Australia have their own wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Film_distributors_of_Australia Jamesk7395 (talk) 03:58, 16 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @Matthew hk - I want to loop you in on this topic as lead editor who lead the merge here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2019_September_30#Umbrella_Entertainment Jamesk7395 (talk) 00:09, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Without getting into whether Umbrella Entertainment should have a separate page, such a thing is suitable in Umbrella Entertainment redirect's talk page. Chirota (talk) 08:28, 3 October 2022 (UTC)