Talk:Marge Simpson/Archive 1

When is she born?
In the episode, Kiss Kiss, Bang Bangalore Homer is not sure of when she is born. She says May!She has a blue hair

She also said in an earlier episode her birthstone would have been emerald if she was born three months later. Emerald is the birthstone of May. If that's true, she was born in February.

Her stated birth day is October 1st.

It has been confirmed in the episode shown on April 22nd, 2007 on fox. She had said she shares the same birthday as Randy Quaid upon google-ing it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.248.191.146 (talk) 05:44, 23 April 2007 (UTC).


 * If I recall correctly, Marge states in passing she has the same birthday as Randy Quaid, but doesn't give the date &mdash; editors are inferring that Marge's birthday on the show is the same as Quaid's birthday in real life. I doubt the writers will feel a need to stick to this. Could happen, but it's not certain.
 * It's WP:TRIVIA, especially if it never comes up again in other episodes, / edgarde 05:57, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

In the episode, Marge Gamer Marge learns that she shares her birthday with Randy Quaid which would be October 1st.

Sisters
"her sisters include"? Thought she only had the two.

Age
Some Enchanted Evening that she's 34. - Kaizersoze 18:37, Dec 25, 2004 (UTC)

In the book, The Simpsons: A Complete Guide to Our Favorite Family, it refers to her as 36. - Leonardo2505

In the episode, "Regarding Margie", Homer says he and Marge are the same age.

Umm... In the arcade game from years ago it said she was 36 as well.

In the episode "Life on the Fast Lane" when seated at the restaurant one of marges sister's remarks that shes only 34, plenty of time to leave and start again.

am i the only one who realized this marge is at least 34 bart is 10 she was knocked up in high school. now assuming she wasn't held back for 6 years this does not seem possible. any one have any insight on this.

See "that 90's Show" and then see how people react to trying to bring this point up Mr Daw (talk) 15:50, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Blue hair
I always thought that Marge's hair had turned blue after exposure to radiation from some sort of nuclear accident. No?

I believe there was an episode, in which Homer gossips to his class and friends about their family, and that included Marge dyeing her hair. (After searching), I found the episode. 1F20 Secrets of a Successful Marriage -- Win777 20:24, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

another point is thats she uses thompsons waterseal to keep her hair in placeBoatman666 23:58, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

The blue isn't anything unusual- The Van Houten Family, the Blue-Haired Lawyer, and many background characters have blue hair in the show. It seems that in the simpsons-universe, blue is one of the natural hair colors. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.81.181.107 (talk) 07:07, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

As far as the hair dye goes, is it not possible that Marge dyes her hair to keep it looking it's "natural" blue, rather than letting it turn gray?Adiosmofo (talk) 15:41, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Middle Initial
It was mentioned by Matt Groening in an issue of Simpsons Comics that the Simpson family's middle names all begin with J. Should this be added or not, considering it is never mentioned in an episode?

But Lisa's middle name is Marie (with a M), maybe it's only the Simpson men. Maggie's middle name is also not known, although both Marge and Maggie's middle name could be Jacqueline after their mother and grandmother.

It's not just Simpson men. Mona Simpson's middle name begins with J.

Two more characteristics
Not sure where to place them in the article: a) she has webbed toes; b) she finds having her elbow nibbled a turn-on. 195.92.67.68 12:19, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Sesame Street?
Why is this in the category: Celebertys who have apeared on Sesame Street? Deathawk 22:22, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Because they have been on sesame street..?--NorwegianMarcus 11:27, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Feminist?
I noticed that she is categorized in Category:Fictional feminists. While I'd definitely consider Lisa to be a feminist, I'm not so sure Marge is one.--Fallout boy 10:28, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree, Marge could actually be described as a complete 180o from a feminist, remember her reaction to Malibu Stacy's sexist recordings, but then again we can see her as quite the feminist in The Way We Was, when she actually burned her bra. - Leonardo2505.

It seems like she was a feminist in her younger days, but now she seems the very opposite.

a little messy
The article is a bit messy and needs headlines. I suggest (i've translated this into norwegian and have these headlines: Family, Age, Jobes, etc. Do you agree that it needs these headlines?!??... --NorwegianMarcus 11:30, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

3rd Generation?
I could swear Marge bragged to the Burlesque House woman that she was '3rd-generation Springfieldian' but in the Jebediah-Springfield-Was-a-Fraud episode, she told Lisa her parents moved to Springfield, having the choice of Stenchburg instead... Hrmm..

The Maxim cover
Does anyone have the issue of Maxim with Marge on the cover? That would be a nice touch to the article.  young  american (ahoy-hoy) 16:25, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, it would only be fair use in an article about Maxim, not one about Marge. - CrazyRussian talk/email 01:35, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure about that. If it was used to discuss her appearing on the cover, I think it is ok.  young  american  (ahoy-hoy) 02:39, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

german voice is dead(FYI)
de:Elisabeth Volkmann was the german voice of Marge since Season 1. Very good. Sound like the original voice.--LaWa 01:48, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

New Picture
I hope this new picture is satisfactory, the other one was stretched and distorted. I hope the new one reflects Wikipedia's standards

I think one with her hair upward would be better.Cris Spiegel 11:44, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Recent Picture
I think we should have a recent picture of Marge, one that shows her current age, not when she was younger. Since when she is shown in the show for the most part, she is older. If anyone can find a different picture, that would help. Brainboy109 5:08, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Marge's hair is pretty much her trademark. Not having the picture include her present hair state is misleading and pretty much just silly. Perhaps we could have the main picture be of herat present, and then move the younger picture down a bit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.141.194.3 (talk)


 * Found one in the stack of images already uploaded here:  --T-dot 15:13, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't have time right now. Can anyone increase the contrast to get the image closer to accurate? It's a little washed out right now. TheHYPO 12:06, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Umm, she hasn't aged. She's still the same. Lisa, Bart, and an excellent example Maggie. Why discuss adding a "new image"


 * Nevermind that, I just checked the history of this page and I agree. --Yancyfry jr 21:43, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Marge's middle name is Alexa???
Can sombody prove that Alexa is her middle name? -14:00, August 26, 2006

Her age
although it says she is 34 on the article, shouldnt she be the same age as homer as they graduated from highschool together? also homer i thought was 38, as the episode where homer discovers he will die at the age of 40 after taking a magazine quiz, marge corrects him, (he thinks he is 37) and she points out that he is 38, giving him only 2 years to live.

Images
I think we need a image of Marge in her teenage years, when her hair goes down, in this article somewhere Not as the main image obviously, but as a comparison --Kzrulzuall 09:11, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Suportive of Lisa?
have removed the part about her being "Suportive of Lisa" because - She's not! She is more than often either ignoring Lisa's opinions or telling her she is either wrong, making a "big deal out of nothing", Or just snapping at her. I also find her arrogant and unabable to admit when she's at fault - especially where Lisa is concerned.MJN SEIFER
 * Sorry, but what you "find" in her is not good enough to remove that bit. Seems like a personal opinion. -- Tohru Honda13 Talk•Sign here 01:04, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

You can ignore the "Find" bit if you like - I was just blowing of steam. But The stuff above I think is valid. I will suply some quotes that prove how "Unsuportive" (Is that a word?) of Lisa she is. MJN SEIFER

Head Vampire
This part is not necessary at all, and unless someone objects to it, it should be removed. Just about everything in the Halloween episodes is not canon, and therefore shouldn't be used in the profile or trivia.JohnnyRush10 08:42, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That's what the Head Vampire WANTS you to think.

-G

Marge's weight
Does anybody know how much does Marge weigh? In episode "King-size Homer" it's revealed that Homer weighs 239 lbs, but I hadn't found any episode where anybody says Marge's weight. (Well, I live in Spain, and here Antena 3 is broadcasting season 17, so I haven't seen the last episodes broadcast in USA). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.33.103.24 (talk) 20:06, 20 February 2007 (UTC).

Marge's Middle Name
I know there was some discussion on every Simpsons' middle initial being "J" but in the episode "Thirty Minutes Over Tokyo" where the simpsons go to Tokyo there is a scene where homer is at an Internet-Cafe checking his bank account. When Snake steals their money via a floppy disc? you can see on the screen Marge's middle initial appears to be "B". Her name appears on the bottom left corner under Homers name. (The binary soul 04:39, 17 March 2007 (UTC)) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.8.140.94 (talk) 04:38, 17 March 2007 (UTC).

Yes, but the only reason Marge is a Simpson is because she is married to Homer, she is actually a Bovier, thus meaning she doesn't have or is not shown in any episodes to have a middle nae beggining with J, or that's my theory —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vitual aelita (talk • contribs) 00:48, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Error about Véronique Augereau
She's not married with Dan Castellaneta but with Phillipe Peythieux (The french voice of Homer) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TYKUN (talk • contribs) 19:04, 12 April 2007 (UTC).

Actual Height
7'0"? Did someone vandalise it or what? (Aixduran 03:44, 16 June 2007 (UTC))

i think that size includes her hair ;-)

Tattoo
She seems to have a tattoo of Homer's name on her "You Know What", see Season10, Homer to the Max. Although she may have burned it off using "Various acids". Watch it and update the page please.

Category:Fictional French-Americans
Patty, Selma and Marge are French Americans (Americans with French ancestry). Shouldn't take it off the article just because it has not been mentioned in the programme, but it is quite obvious that Bouvier is a French surname. Luckystars 09:25, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * If it's not mentioned in the series, then it's not true. Besides, just because it SOUNDS French doesn't make it French. -- Scorpion0422 15:09, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

right. they could be canadian for example ;-)

Birthday
In the episode Marge Gamer, Marge said her birthday is the same as Randy Quaid, October 1st. Someone fix the page please, it is a mass. (WannabeAmatureHistorian 00:17, 9 July 2007 (UTC))


 * This issue is brought up 3 times on this talk page, starting here, and this information gets added and removed a lot. The problem is that October 1st is not Marge's birthday &mdash; this was a joke used in one episode. Various conflicting birthdays are given or hinted at in the show. See for a list.


 * I'm hoping this section can be kept. If for no other reason, then to minimize the revert-warring. Anyway, it seems that some people care about this information.


 * If this page is "a mass", I would suggest that the constant adding, removing, restoring, changing, and fighting over bits of WP:TRIVIA add more to the problem. / edgarde 02:31, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It was a mess the last time I checked; something to do with the bio section being repeatedly changed. It is much better now. (WannabeAmatureHistorian 05:11, 24 July 2007 (UTC))

List of supposed birthdays
I've added a short list of Marge's supposed birthdays once or twice. I think the fact that people keep "discovering" this info is reason enough, because this provides (for those obsessed with reconciling in-universe information) an illustration that these dates don't mean much in Simpsons-time.

Having this deleted doesn't bother me much, and I realize it looks like trivia, but I think this illustration is helpful. Does anyone object to my restoring this? Perhaps we can add language like illustrating how dates are not consistent in Simpsons-time ... / edg ☺ ★ 05:23, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Not hearing an objection, I've restored this. I think this is a good idea because:
 * It demonstrates for the literal-minded how The Simpsons in-universe time references cannot really be reconciled.
 * It informs people the date they may have for Marge's birthday is not meaningful.
 * It would be nice if someone could add some statements from the show's creators, and maybe it can be worded differently. If this section just gets deleted a third time, I'm certainly ready to give up. / edg ☺ ★ 21:02, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Shoe Size
In the episode Life on the Fast Lane Marge states her shoe size is 13A (according to american shoe sizes), should this be accounted for within her description. T saston 17:15, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * who the hell cares what her shoe size is?--203.27.231.250 22:56, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Foot fetishists?74.106.47.109 02:27, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Birthday
In Marge Gamer Marge discovers that she shares a birthday with Randy Quaid (October 1, 1950). Is this worth mentioning? —Preceding unsigned comment added by JibFlank (talk • contribs) 23:44, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No. Wait until a source is found and I'll add it then. Thanks for asking. -- MISTER ALCOHOL  TC 05:58, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No, it shouldn't be mentioned by its trivia. Gran2 16:28, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

In episode 501, Exit Through the Kwik-E-Mart, it is clearly shown that Marge Simpson's birthday is March 19th. Lisa tells Homer that he needs to shop for Marge's birthday and shows the calendar with the date circled on it. EricE (talk) 03:59, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Chronology
You do realise the stuff you argue about such as Marge's date of birth and shoe size don't matter as the Simpsons chronology is always changing!--RandomEnigma (talk) 20:56, 20 August 2008 (UTC)Seán Travers
 * Couldn't agree more!  C t j f 8 3 Talk 00:18, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

The section of 'Voice' doesn't have the technique Kavner uses to employ Marge and her family's unique voice... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.83.177.183 (talk) 09:37, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Occupations
In the role in The Simpsons category, it lists all of her past jobs- except for Bodybulding (Strong Arms Of The Ma). Why didn't they list that one inpraticular? Bodybulding is a notable job and therfore should have been listed.--89.240.247.96 (talk) 16:24, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Is Bouvier intended to be a play on words?
I came to the Marge Bouvier Simpson article at least half expecting to learn that her maiden name was a play on words, not uncommon in the series (e.g. "Duff" Beer, Mrs. "Crabapple") but finding no such comment proceeded to my French dictionary, which told me a bouvier is a herdsman. If anyone knows that reference to be intentional it would be a useful addition to the article. 71.119.63.57 (talk) 04:59, 5 January 2009 (UTC)John A. 86.137.113.204 (talk) 18:55, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I always imagined it was a reference to Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis (nee Jacqueline Bouvier). Format (talk) 19:48, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It was mentioned in the episode Homer and Lisa Exchange Cross Words when Marge and Lisa are talking about her madden name that she shares it with Jackie Kennedy, so it is more than likely a reference. I have also just watched the episode The Color Yellow, and at the end of the episode she mentions her last name is French. I thought it is worth mentioning.

Marge's hair color.
In "Secrets of a Successful Marriage" (season five, 1994), Homer reveals to his marriage counseling class what shade of blue dye Marge typically purchases, implying that her natural hair color is not blue. This should be mentioned in the article somewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.224.64.45 (talk) 23:33, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:TRIVIA and WP:UNDUE C T J F 8 3  chat 23:36, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Marge is a rapist.
In the episode, "The Strong Arms of the Ma", Marge raped Homer. Someone want to add this in? I'd try to, but deletionist scum (censors are amongst the lowest of humanity) mean I rarely even bother trying to add anything anymore (they're also why I will NEVER donate, hoping Wikipedia dies and is replaced by a true repository of mankind's data).

If one is of sound mind and commits a forceful rape, one is definitely a rapist. Most justice systems hold that being on steroids doesn't excuse your criminal actions. Therefor, Marge Simpson is a rapist.

It is most certainly noteworthy as by far the worst crime (iirc) committed by one of the main Simpson family against another (outside of the Halloween episode where they'd kept a Bart's brother chained in the attic for a decade). It is also notable for being one of only two depicted/heavily-implied-as-occurring-right-now rapes in the Simpsons (iirc), the victim of the other scene also being Homer, this time the aggressor is a Panda.

The scene: Marge is forcefully pinning Homer down. Marge: "Let's do it" Homer: "Uh listen my bulky flower, I - I have an early day tomorrow" Marge: "I wasn't asking" Home is visibly distressed and closes his eyes to brace for what is coming. Cut to the next morning. Homer is revealed to be very sore.

Also, check out this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strong_Arms_of_the_Ma — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.52.96.12 (talk) 04:30, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

To whoever is deleting accurate and relevant facts from the discussion page: DISCUSS, not delete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.65.219.117 (talk) 06:44, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

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