Talk:Mariah Carey/Archive 16

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Semi-protected edit request on 6 December 2018
Born in 1970 2600:1700:4270:D520:3030:632D:71E8:1D0E (talk) 03:03, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Per multiple previous threads, 1969 and 1970 are to remain in the article until something can definitively prove beyond any reasonable doubt it was one year or another (ideally a birth certificate, census, or other public record) as there are sources for both years. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 03:47, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 January 2019
Change picture to a more recent one. CautionLamb18 (talk) 17:15, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: What picture would you like used? DannyS712 (talk) 17:18, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: Most "more recent" photos are not freely available/public domain or have been released under an applicable Creative Commons license. Wikipedia can't use photos published to the internet of Miss Carey that are owned by the photographer/photo group or that haven't been released for free-usage etc... Shearonink (talk) 17:28, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Lead Section
I'm just a bit concerned that the lead section omits a third of the "Career" subsections. I think she has done some notable things post-Touch My Body. I'm not sure what should be mentioned but I do think something more recent needs to be added. Heartfox (talk) 03:42, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 January 2019
Information to be added or removed: Please change date of birth from "March 27, 1969 or 1970" to "March 27, 1970" Explanation of issue: There seems to be ongoing discrepancies over whether or not Mariah Carey was born in 1969 or 1970. In an interview, her mother clearly recalls the trauma she had faced around the time Mariah was born and clearly states Mariah was born in 1970. References supporting change: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNnyGcVk0Oo&t=141 Noveltynate (talk) 22:56, 29 January 2019 (UTC) Noveltynate (talk) 22:56, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
 * as much as I hate to say this, Patricia's word has previously been rejected as a potential lie, though I personally think it should be enough to just have 1970. Per past discussions, both that year and 1969 are to remain until someone can prove beyond any reasonable doubt it was one year or the other, preferably with some official document like Mariah's birth certificate or a census record that lists her. SNUGGUMS (talk / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 00:02, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 February 2019
incorrect and inconsistent date format ==> "1st February 2019" = "February 1, 2019" 2605:E000:9149:8300:3580:C89D:49E7:C418 (talk) 00:03, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done DannyS712 (talk) 00:12, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Living legend
Maybe in § Legacy and impact link "living legend" to living legend (person) per MOS:LWQ; target clearly corresponds to the meaning intended by the quote's author. --77.173.90.33 (talk) 19:34, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done DannyS712 (talk) 02:26, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 March 2019
Mariah's birthday is today, meaning the age should be changed to 49-50 years old. 2A02:C7D:36C2:AF00:10C6:518:3E44:F942 (talk) 21:14, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, the age is automatically updated, but can sometimes lag behind since the page is cached. The numbers should be up-to-date now. – Þjarkur (talk) 21:23, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The IP is possibly a sock. 2402:1980:8251:4F47:62BD:FCA3:C81B:17FC (talk) 03:48, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Possible end to birth date controversy?
Only time will tell, if she was born in 1969, then this March I'm sure entertainment outlets would state she would possibly have a 50th birthday celebration (if she was born in 1969 that is). I'm not one to speculate but it seems that would be the only way to find out since some sources vary. Tinton5 (talk) 05:52, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Honestly I don't believe there was ever a controversy in the first place. Even though there are reliable sources that "say" 1969, the two websites listed don't specially say she was born in 1969 anyways, they just say her age. Mistakes do happen. On Oprah in 1997, Patricia Carey said "...in 1970, when [Mariah was born...]" I guess we're not supposed to use family members but is that not notable? It's not even mentioned in the article? Where do all the sources that "say" 1969 get their info from in the first place? The one book that says 1969 only says she was born in "Long Island" ... wow really specific not even mentioning Huntington, New York. How do they know the year and not the place? I believe 1970 is the actual date. The books saying 1970 are more reliable and the websites saying 1969 don't actually give the year. Heartfox (talk) 14:17, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I've never seen that clip until now. Wow her mom clearly stated she was born in 1970..so I don't understand why that isn't good enough? And I've found sources for 1970 as well, perhaps the books you mentioned:, , . I think it's high time to end this charade. Tinton5 (talk) 20:44, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, we have at least five books (two that focus on her specifically) as well as her mother specifically saying she was born in 1970. On the other hand, two websites list her age and this is inferred as 1969 in the citation in the article, while one book says 1969 and Long Island. In my opinion the websites shouldn't count as sources—they don't list the year. So really we have two books on Carey herself which say 1970, three books which don't focus on her say 1970, and one book which doesn't focus on her (at all) saying 1969. I'm currently going through past discussions on this but I think it's time to bring this issue up again fully. Let's use the table below so people can add sources. Heartfox (talk) 02:17, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure why weak sources are listed for the 1969 date in the article even though there have been multiple discussions with better sources given. People keep quoting the People Magazine thing where they contacted everybody but I've yet to see that link (if it exists) from somewhere other than nndb. Heartfox (talk) 03:23, 23 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Perhaps "debate" or "dispute" would be more accurate than "controversy" given Talk:Mariah_Carey/Archive 9 (where it was decided that both 1969 and 1970 should be listed when sources differ on when she was born). However, even if many citations used to support 1969 do so by mentioning her age instead of more directly stating the year, it doesn't detract from how 1970 isn't the unanimous agreement. While I personally think that Patricia's comments should be enough to stick with 1970, that has previously been rejected when it's possible for celebs and their relatives to lie about age. Say what you will about how likely it is that her mother was lying. As I stated here, it's best to get an official document verifying one year or the other beyond any reasonable doubt before either can be removed from the page. For what it's worth, I've seen much more support for 1970, though we cannot outright ignore the references that state (or at least suggest) 1969 without firm proof of a 1970 birth. Even though People does explicitly list 1969 on their website, I haven't seen any link from them or issue of their magazines talk about meeting with school administrators or having a copy of her driver's license. The only place that seems to come from is NNDB, which has repeatedly been rejected as a subpar source, and I wouldn't be surprised if NNBD was just making that up given their frequent inaccuracies and sometimes even copying from Wikipedia articles. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 04:03, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I do think we should update the sources given in the footnote for the different years listed in the article (maybe add more 1970?). An official document would probably be necessary in this case like you said. Maybe it (or something) will be revealed this March given it's possibly her 50th birthday like Tinton5 said. Personally I think it is in fact 1970, though. Heartfox (talk) 05:11, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
 * An update is fair. Also, I just noticed that NNDB has now been added to an edit filter to further discourage its use, so that claim on meeting with school administrators and possessing Mariah's license is even less usable now when nothing else can be found with that supposed People quote they give. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 05:28, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
 * It seems that the vast majority, if not all, of the sources since the time of that 2013 RfC discussion exclusively state her birth year as 1970. Anything I said then, I would set aside and support 1970 as the date. That's what I believe it is as well, regardless of the record company instance and People Magazine. Teammm  $talk email$ 05:38, 23 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Given how many times editors have been over this, and what was stated in past discussions, I think sticking with "1969 or 1970" is best. It is the best compromise. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 05:52, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
 * We've been through this discussion (it's hardly a controversy) a number of times already, and my take on it hasn't changed. The number of sources is not a good measure of accuracy.  Many sources will copy each other, particularly low-quality sources.  So I'd much prefer to rate by the quality of the source.   Carey herself is evasive on the subject, so I'm not expecting her to make anything clearer this year.  There are no clear cut quality, authorative reliable sources to establish either year, so I would suggest that nothing is done until the end of March, and who knows what may surface.  I wouldn't be holding your breath.. .. -- Escape Orbit  (Talk) 15:45, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Unless she wants to provide her birth certificate. 2402:1980:24E:C6BF:61BF:A034:983F:F20F (talk) 03:58, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

In an article on March 8, 2019, about the "A No No" video, People Magazine states that "in the exclusive snapshot, Carey, 48, snuggles up with her kids on the subway car." This means that she would be turning 49 this year... would this contradict their original position that she was born in 1969? --Heartfox (talk) 20:04, 10 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Her hometown newspaper, Newsday, has used the 1969 date since forever, such as this article from May 2010: https://www.newsday.com/entertainment/celebrities/mariah-carey-drops-out-of-film-fueling-pregnancy-rumors-1.1956614. Born in 1970 would mean she graduated high school in spring 1987 having just turned 17. Unless she had been double-promoted one year, I'm not sure that's mathematically possible. --2604:2000:1382:E1F0:1548:9B56:8A35:2A33 (talk) 21:23, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Mariah herself said that her debut album was released when she was 20 years old. The release date was June 12, 1990. Her birth year is indeed 1970, there's just no consensus among this group of Wikipedians. I'm only here again because I was reading the lead and it made me cry because it's so well done. Teammm  $talk email$ 19:45, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Not sure where or when she said that, but prior discussions have noted that celebs can lie about their ages (even though I personally doubt Mariah or her mother Patricia were making this up). It would be more ideal to use citations that aren't closely affiliated with her and can overall be trusted to not fabricate details. There are multiple legitimate sources supporting both a 1969 birth and a 1970 birth. This inconsistency led to a discussion that decided to include both as they couldn't tell for certain which was accurate. Official documents like a birth certificate or census listing could prove one or the other beyond any reasonable doubt, though nothing of the sort has come up for either year. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 20:02, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Year of birth on main page should be just truncated to 1970, Snuggums. Will never be 1969 as far as we know.

67.81.163.178 (talk) 18:13, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Value of Virgin Records/EMI Deal and Buyout
The amount of the Virgin Records/EMI buyout of Mariah's contract in 2002 was $28 million dollars. The Wikipedia article states the amount was $50 million. The $50 million dollar figure includes a citation to an article from BBC, but the actual BBC article says $28 million, not $50 million. Shouldn't the amount of the buy out be updated to match the citation? See below for the text of the original BBC article: ''EMI drops Mariah Carey Mariah Carey Mariah Carey was rebuilding her career after illness Mariah Carey has been paid $28m (£19m) by EMI Records to end her recording contract with the company.

The pay-out, which ends her five-album deal, was announced in a statement to the London Stock Exchange on Wednesday.

It follows months of speculation and denials from Virgin, a US subsidiary of EMI, that the singer was being dropped following poor sales for her album Glitter.

Carey has described the parting as the "right decision for me".

She signed with EMI in April 2001 for an estimated £70m, one of the most expensive recording contracts in history. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/1777172.stm

is this only edited by her PR agents?
if this wikipedia article is edited by general music editors unaffiliated with the subject please Google "mariah carey voice" and include information about the changes people note in the past decade. I found it odd that this discussion was entirely omitted.

If this is a PR article then I understand that may not be appropriate. At the moment as concerns the past decade it is a marketing article. -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:ab88:2481:fc80:48ed:b234:bd23:4fdb (talk • contribs) 22:17, 19 July 2017

It is
I sing to a semi-professional standard with a major London venue, the Southbank complex, as a section leader and mentor for their VoiceLab amateur choir. My core voice is bass-baritone. For several years before we returned to the UK my daughter was taught piano by the partner of Clint vander Linden, who holds the Guinness world record for the widest range, some 4.5 octaves: I know him fairly well, we've sung together, our voices meld well. I myself sing a 3.5 octave range, in a range of tonal colours, like Ms Carey. I state this to put my authority on record as a preamble.

The claim to a 7-octave range is preposterous - or rather, it is only possible if you drop any claim to tone, making it not so much a sung range as bodily emission. My bottom stable note is the A off the bottom of the bass clef, which is so slow you can count the beat of the note. Standard concert pitch is the A in the lower middle of the treble clef, 440Hz (beats per second), the A at the top of the Bass clef is 220Hz, the A at the bottom of the clef is 110Hz, the A at the bottom of my range is 55Hz, which is clearly audible - reduce the power of mains current and connect it to a speaker you're prepared to sacrifice (stand clear because if the power spikes, the core can become a projectile). That is just a tad lower than my bottom note, you can hear the sound waves distinctly. A few people can get a couple of notes lower, they are very few indeed.

Having set the lowest note grosso-modo, my 3.5 octaves takes me to the Soprano C, one octave above Middle C. Moving into falsetto takes me to 4.5 octaves, the Soprano top C off the top of the treble stave - that's not a supported tonal voice though, it's a harmonic trick. Some sopranos can go an octave higher, stably, although they're very few, as there is very little call for such a high note, it's almost inaudible at 5.5 octaves above my lowest, and I've never come across any female basses who cav get avywhere near there - the lowest I know of gets to the tenor-baritone F in the upper end of the bass stave, certainly none can get into the profondissimo range I have access to, admittedly not in all my tonal colours. 2 octaves higher than that and she'd have to register as a danger to radar control of aircraft. Well, either that or this claim is a heap of donkeys donuts, perhaps they're adding it on the bottom when she farts. That's not a performance medium recognised in concert halls since the days of music-hall performers of the likes of Le Pétomane: the greatest on record was a certain Roland the Farter, who actually worked for my own longstanding avatar, Rahere, King Henry II's Court Jester, nigh on 800 years ago. True, one or two perform on the fringe today, however to compare Maria Carey with them is either the most glorious sense of utterly inappropriate PR or utter nonsense: they have the choice.

I would therefore urge the supervisors to remove the editor responsible for this arrant nonsense from the list of authorised contributors and revert their postings, locking the meme against unauthorised edits, they have damaged the credibility of WP.

Recent edits
I reverted the article to the 11:48, 2 May 2019‎ edit by SNUGGUMS. I did this because of quality issues, and because this article is a WP:FA. 12mahalu, you are adding unreliable sources -- Medium and Wikipedia articles. Wikipedia articles are not WP:Reliable sources. Please read up on WP:Reliable sources, and MOS:HEAD as well. A bit of what I removed can and maybe should be restored, but some of it definitely needed to be reverted. In addition to SNUGGUMS, also pinging Teammm, Escape Orbit and Tinton5 for their thoughts on the revert. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 00:18, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Residency show reviews were fine and same with adding songs to lead, though using Medium and Wikipedia as references is problematic per WP:USERG. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 00:33, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 * SNUGGUMS, did you consider any of the material to be bloating the article? I don't mind the multiracial heritage material being re-added, as long as there is no WP:Editorializing. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 00:53, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 * If anything, the Golden Globe nomination might have been a bit much when there's already lots of actual wins already mentioned. I don't personally have a problem with mentioning Mariah's multiracial heritage either when viably referenced without editorializing. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 01:42, 8 June 2019 (UTC)


 * 12mahalu, regarding this, it's not just sourcing that is wrong with your editing. This edit, for example, has a WP:Tone issue. "A tireless supporter"? And why should the "Legacy and impact" section begin with one gigantic paragraph? Sure, it was a very big paragraph before your addition, which somehow happened, but it's now worse because of your edit. Use paragraph breaks. And are you just going to keep expanding this article with fluffy material and praise of Carey? Wikipedia biography articles are not for everything someone has said about a person. They are not for every single thing about that person's life. Read WP:DIARY. You need to read the pages I'm pointing you to. By you not even fixing your capitalization of "impact" for the "Legacy and impact" section, it's clear that you didn't even read MOS:HEAD. You also aren't even trying to participate in this discussion. So it's time for me to take this article off my watchlist for now (possibly for good). I would rather not continue to see it deteriorate and nothing being done to stop it. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 00:12, 9 June 2019 (UTC)


 * For what it's worth,, I've cut fluff from the "Legacy and Impact" section and broken up that way-too-long first paragraph. Any objections to what I removed? <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 14:58, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, SNUGGUMS. I didn't closely examine everything that you cut, but I'm fine with the cuts. I also see that Bluesatellite took on a few issues. Thank you as well, Bluesatellite. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:33, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Good to know :) <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 02:33, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 June 2019
After the sentence which ends "...Emotions failed to reach the commercial and critical heights of its predecessor", please add:

Nonetheless, Emotions would be nominated for two Grammys, including Best Pop Vocal Performance, Female and Best Producer of the Year, making Carey the second woman to be nominated in that category (after Janet Jackson for Rhythm Nation in 1989 ). Lgaston (talk) 13:09, 29 June 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm not familiar enough with "Tape Op" to say how credible that publication is, but we already have plenty of details on accolades won here and shouldn't overload it with noms. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 13:26, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 June 2019
After the sentence wich ends “…Emotions failed to reach the commercial and critical heights of its predecessor.”

Add:

Nonethless, Emotions would earn two Grammy nomination that year, for Best Pop Vocal Female and Producer of the Year (Non-Classical), making Carey the second woman to be nominated in that category (after Janet Jackson’s nomination for Rhythm Nation ). Lgaston (talk) 13:21, 29 June 2019 (UTC)


 * See my above comment, and I'm not sure about the use of "SoundGirls" either. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 13:27, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Birth date
According to the birth certificate for her fraternal twins, Mariah Carey was born on March 27, 1970. Please make that change right away. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.70.37.196 (talk) 17:08, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Cab you please provide links to prove this? <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 19:43, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Right here. However, a non-vetted, alleged primary source anonymously posted to a fan site. 2402:1980:8256:9CAB:7F0B:21A8:461B:1072 (talk) 09:52, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * If what you've shared was posted to a more credible site than "fanpop", then I'd have an easier time believing that it isn't a fabrication. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 23:29, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Can we put an end to this myth once and for all
She was born in 1970. Why does this article give two contradictory reference coming from the SAME source (i.e. People) on both sides? Not only is there evidence that she was in fact born in 1970, not only did her own mother say it, but the 1970 “side” has much better reliable sources. Trillfendi (talk) 19:55, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment: Why? Because we had an RfC on it: Talk:Mariah Carey/Archive 9.


 * Also see Talk:Mariah Carey/Archive 16. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 20:09, 22 July 2019 (UTC)


 * As noted in both of those discussions, there are legitimate sources supporting a 1969 birth as well as those supporting one from 1970. Mariah's mother has also been turned down over suspicions of lying about her age, though I personally doubt she would lie on the matter. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 23:29, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Her mother wasn't "turned down". She was just identified as one more source among others.  No-one accused her of lying. -- Escape Orbit  (Talk) 16:47, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I should've been more specific; a user named Tenebrae at least suggested in multiple threads that Patricia could've been lying, reasoning that celebs and their families are known to lie about age. That editor insisted on not citing her. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 20:45, 23 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment Does this really belong as an RfC? It is a query about a previous RfC. Coretheapple (talk) 15:51, 24 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Because WP:DUE – This Rfc appears to be a question for which you want an answer, and as Coretheapple said or implied, that's not an appropriate subject for an Rfc. But to answer your question:  Wikipedia's Neutral Point of View policy is a core principle of the encyclopedia, and part of it concerns the concept of Due and undue weight. This states that we should "fairly represents all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in the published, reliable sources." Footnote 2 gives a bunch of sources that say 1969, and  Footnote 3 gives a bunch citing 1970. If those two lists are a fair representation of the prominence of each view in published sources, then neither viewpoint has a clear, overwhelming majority, and therefore by the rules of Wikipedia concerning proportional weight, we must list both sourceable birthdates. Does that answer your question, Trillfendi? If it does, could you please withdraw your Rfc?  Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 07:33, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

New York
please change ((New York)) to ((New York (state)|New York))
 * Yes check.svg Done <u style="color:#087643;font-face:arial;text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Masum Reza <sup style="color:orange;">📞 15:49, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

"List of artists influenced by Mariah Carey"
Does anyone think there should be a wiki page dedicated to people who have mentioned they were influenced by Mariah? Listing the names in her legacy sub-page isn't really ideal.

Something similar to Janet Jackson's List of artists influenced by Janet Jackson page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jadenpb (talk • contribs) 05:52, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 September 2019
i would like to put mariahs birthday and some funfacts about mariah01:45, 1 September 2019 (UTC)Rubysue1221 (talk) Rubysue1221 (talk) 01:45, 1 September 2019 (UTC) °°01:45, 1 September 2019 (UTC)Rubysue1221 (talk)
 * Her birthday is already included. These "fun facts" would have to be sourced if including them. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 01:55, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Mistake in the introduction
In the introduction it says that she is the only artist whose first five singles reached number one on the Billboard Hot 100. According to the singles discography and album articles her fifth single released was "There's Got to Be a Way" that didn't even chart on the Hot 100. I don't know if first four singles reaching number one is still a record, but somebody should check for this. --Clemens (Talk) 12:32, 9 November 2019 (UTC)