Talk:Marwari horse

Image

 * Be useful to find a photo of those ears. Maybe something on Flickr?  Some stuff there is Ok to upload, some not... takes some getting used to the site to find the cc-2.0 and other acceptable images, but doable (go to Wikimedia commons, click upload file and read the stuff about uploading an image from Flickr to figure out what to do).  Another interesting thing would be to find out how many Marwari horses are in India and outside of India, add in some statistics, and citations where you located info (careful not to add advertising links though)  Good luck. Montanabw 02:31, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Edit move
This bit was unsourced and appears to be original research, but there may be something in it of use, so moving it to the talk page here in case someone can verify and incorporate it. Montanabw (talk) 03:14, 13 February 2008 (UTC) -- Western vandalist historians and indian anti Maratha elements states that this breed is not of Indian origin and badtard offshoot of Arabian horde. Very untrue and vandalism. I was in search of our local Maratha horde breed Bhimthadi horde. Due to vast urbanisation its number is reduced. But i have seen some horse possesed by Dhangar tribse and other nomadic tribse of Maharashtra. Their small but standing and moveing ears attracted my attention. The breed seems too much hardy and i wondered that what food, care may have provided to them. When i was a boy in my home villege we had a horse of this breed and i still remembers the hardy few rides with him. I think that the present Marwari horse breed is originated from Male horse of this Maharashtra breed and female of Arabian horse. Edit summary was to "-- Vishal1976"

Dear you are wrong for detail information you should visit jodhpur and if you just want to know origen of marwari horses then read book "Marwari The Prince of deasart" in that you can read an artical of K.N. Joshi (lal Ji) he is my father from there u can know HOW,WHEN & why marwaris are made/breed---Gaurav Joshi(National Endurance Ride Champion, World,s youngster trick rider (with sindhi-marwari horse)


 * What you do not understand about Dana's edits is that wikipedia requires Verification of information. It also requires a Neutral point of view and does not allow Someone's unpublished views to be considered as source material.  It also helps if you spell correctly and avoid insulting people.   Montanabw (talk) 04:58, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of sourced material
Please do not delete sourced material from this article without a better explanation than what was provided in the edit summaries of the two prior deletions. If you believe there is incorrect material here, then take it to this talk page and explain it. Also be ready to provide verifiable sources, not just your own statements. As it sits, the article's sources are deemed reliable and reputable, so if there were good faith errors, they need to be explained here. Please DO NOT just keep removing this material from the article. Montanabw (talk) 23:21, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

"Tend to be the most popular"
Is 'popular' really the best choice of word in this case? Popular, by it's definition, means favoured. What do you mean here, favoured by nature? That only makes sense if you view Nature as an entity, and as Wikipedia is supposed to be unbiased, the article cannot take that viewpoint. I recommend changing 'popular' to something like 'dominant'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.150.254.54 (talk) 19:36, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * This means the most popular with buyers/breeders, not the most dominant in nature. I have reverted your edit, since pinto colors are not the most dominant in nature. Dana boomer (talk) 19:48, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Images
For future references, happened to come across this:File:Rajasthan Horses, Village east of Jodhpur (2).jpg. Looks like a weanling Marwari foal to me. Montanabw (talk) 05:38, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It's most likely a Marwari, but could also be a Kathiawari - they have the funky ears too, but aren't usually found in that part of India. That's why I haven't added it in so far. Dana boomer (talk) 10:37, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Those ears are the darnedest thing!  Montanabw (talk) 21:14, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Grammar and style
Can some experienced editors please copy edit this article for grammar and style. Some of the sentences are just too long and am not able to comprehend in a few places. I have to read the same sentence a few times to get its meaning. Featured Articles are supposed to be some of the best in Wikipedia. If a layman is not able to understand an article then it destroys the purpose of an encyclopedia.
 * Will you please elaborate on some of the areas where you are having trouble? I've done a bit of work to the article since your edits earlier today - perhaps these have fixed some of the issues? Dana boomer (talk) 16:19, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

I find somethings wrong with a few sentences, mainly in the history section. Some of them are
 * The breed was on the verge of extinction until the intervention of Maharaja Umaid Singhji in the first half of the 20th century saved the Marwari.

What was his work, What did he do?


 * This ban was partially lifted in 1999, when a small number of indigenous horses could be exported after receiving a special license. Over the next seven years, 21 horses were exported, until, in 2006, licenses stopped being granted. In 2008, the Indian government began granting licenses for "temporary exports" of up to one year, to allow horses to be exhibited in other countries.

Why is the ban being put and lifted?

What is the first breed standards.
 * The pair worked with other experts from the Indigenous Horse Society to develop the first breed standards.

The time line in the history section is also confusing. First there is the talk about the British,Maharaja Umaid Singhji and the bans put and lifted till 2009. Then again it goes back to 1995 about the works of Kelly. I think the events should either be re arranged according to the time line or put under different subdivisions.

Naveed (talk) 06:21, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for elaborating. To answer your questions: 1) I don't know what Maharaja Umaid Singhji did; I haven't been able to find additional source information on this. I'm assuming he probably established breeding programs and searched to find what purebred bloodstock was left, but this is just conjecture. 2) Over concerns about rareness. Added a bit. 3) The physical breed standards are described in the Characteristics section, which is standard for equine breed articles. 4) I've moved some things around in the history section to make it a bit more chronological. I want to keep all of the export information together, so it's still a bit jumpy, but I think it's better now. Dana boomer (talk) 21:13, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Looks much better now. Thanks for your contributions. Naveed (talk) 05:34, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Interpretation & Iconography
An editor added the following, which might be OK to add in terms of a myths or similar section (we have a "mythology" section in the Arabian horse article, for example). But the content needs sources checked to see if they are actually about this breed or just horses in general, plusproper formatting using citation templates, as this is a featured article and requires the best sources and meticulously correct formatting. Montanabw (talk) 05:04, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

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 * Iconography

The Marwari horse is a symbolic icon in Hinduism. He is one of the Vahanas, paths of flowing spiritual energies and was considered to be an animal of divine status.

Ears turned inward towards each other, a peculiarity unique to the Marwari horse, represent the balanced energies of the consciousness (yoni or yin) and the maya (linga or yang).

Whorls down the neck represent the chakra wheels of energy along the spinal cord.

The Marwari's characteristic, evenly four-footed gait represents the Swastika, Tantric symbol of the Dance of Energy immortalized by Shiva Nataraja - Lord of Ecstatic (creative) Dance. Each whirling arm of the swastika represents one of the four creative forces of Hinduism:  Creation, Destruction, Manifestation, Disappearance. {See Wikipedia article on Shakti}

In Vastu Shastra, seven ambling horses is an iconic symbol for the Wheel of Artha (financial success). This superstition arose from the Legend of the Seven Shipwrecked Horses of Marwar. Seven (saptan) is a lucky number in Hinduism. Isobel Chaveh (talk) 18:25, 6 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for removing it and starting a discussion. It appears to be mostly original research, and most of the sources appear unreliable. --Ronz (talk) 00:50, 19 November 2016 (UTC)--Ronz (talk) 00:50, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

Vastu Shastra - A running horse painting is said to ensure financial success; the horses must be seven in number.Isobel Chaveh (talk) 00:57, 21 December 2016 (UTC) Isobel Chaveh (talk) 00:57, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

About Marwari page edits.
Hi Montanabw,

I'm sorry for writing after an year from your last message. In fact I'm still trying to balance my personal life and career. anyway back to point, I've made some edits on page Marwari Horses because some points are not accurate in that page. Still those points stays uncorrected in wiki. I'm a Marwari Breeder and those information I added in wiki are % correct aout Marwari horses.Also the history of Marwari horse are not complete until the its root goes to Akhal-Teke, this breed heavily influenced Marwari horses in history to gain its height & confirmation. those points are still missing in page and I wish to update those in page.

There is no Pony breed in India have inward curved ears, its came from Kathiawari horses, the only pure horse breed in India. all other breeds including Sindhi & Marwari came from Kathiawari horses by fine breeding with other breeds like Akhal-Teke and Arabian. this breed doesn't have any trace to any other horse breeds and its not a pure breed too. but Kathiawari horses are pure and and its DNA reports didn't traces any root to any other horse breeds (I personally didn't checked the report but got information from a seminar of Indigenous Horse Society of India).

Also pure Marwari horse doesn't have height above 16H, No Marwari horses stand above 16H before year 2000. By mixing with TB and again breed with Marwari/Kathiawari can produce Marwari look like horses but those horses doesn't have any ability like pure Marwari has, Even they cannot go for 5Kms.

Hope we can talk more about Marwari Horses if you wish, Please put back those edits to wikipage and allow me to edit page with more accurate details.

Regards,

Rashvin Mohammed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rashvin.wiki (talk • contribs) 20:51, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi. Anything you add here has to be sourced to a reliable source. Please feel free to provide us URL links to appropriate sources or tell us about printed books that verify what you propose to add. Montanabw (talk) 20:56, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

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Color Name Difference
In reading the article, I noticed that the introductory paragraph lists "piebald and skewbald" as potential colors. This is British terminology that refers directly to the colors on a horse rather than to the actual potential color patterns possible, and isn't used outside of Britain. The Marwari has tobiano, but there are patterns that are certainly not in the breed, such as frame, which is a New World mutation, and other patterns like sabino, white spotting, and splash are currently of unknown status. If possible, could we change the 'piebald and skewbald' piece to specifically pinto to keep with current scientific and equestrian usages?

BlitzarExotics (talk) 14:17, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The article uses Indian English; for obvious historical reasons, that is closely similar to British English. Piebald and skewbald are correct terms for the appearance of the coat, which is what is described here. What's your source for the statements you make, by the way? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:57, 10 March 2022 (UTC)