Talk:Masood Azhar

The truth
Since all terrorists are alike, I do find it discriminatory that One person who targets USA is called terrorist by wiki admins , while the other idiot like Mazood Ashar is not being called terrorist, because instead of attacking US this idiot is attacking India and Hindus.

Osama is terrorist, and Masood Azhar ia a TERRORIST TOOOO and the biggest terroists in the world are U.S.A and india Itself.U.S.A killed thousands of innocent people in iraq and afganistan and india is killing innocent kashmiris. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pungimaster (talk • contribs)


 * Please don't use Wikipedia to make a point, especially when you don't get your way. Abce2 |  Aww nuts!  Wribbit!(Sign here)  04:41, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

It's not okay to call others terrorists at all. Just because you didn't get your way doesn't mean everyones a terrorist. So if USA doesnt gets its way with OSama Laden, that doesnt mean he is a TERRORIST ,, HUH !!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pungimaster (talk • contribs) 04:52, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Be mature about this. Abce2 |  Aww nuts!  Wribbit!(Sign here)  04:57, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

wow !!!!,, dont patronise me, if osama is a terrorist , then Masood Azhar is a terrorist tooo,,,  it is not the case if someone can only be terrorist for attacking USA only Pungimaster (talk) 05:11, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * They killed hundreds of people during 9/11. It's nothing to kid about. Abce2 |  Aww nuts!  Wribbit!(Sign here)  05:13, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * If you read the discussion pages at the Osama bin Laden article, you will see that the debate about use of the word "terrorist" has never been settled for that article either. Since terrorist is a subjective (and highly inflammatory) label, can we not just state in the article which national governments officially consider him a terrorist? --RDavi404 (talk) 06:01, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Then change it on osama article tooPungimaster (talk) 06:04, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Pungimaster, can you point out where exactly in the Osama article he's been called a "terrorist" without attribution to a source? I see its attributed:(quote from Osama)  "His viewpoints and methods of achieving them have led to him been designated as a terrorist by scholars,[33][34] journalists from the New York Times[35][36]", and that is what the WP:TERRORIST policy says:If a reliable source describes a person or group using one of these words, then the description must be attributed in the article text to its source, preferably by direct quotation, and always with a verifiable citation.


 * In this article too the label "terrorist" is attributed to the Indian government in the second sentence. —SpaceFlight89 06:09, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

is it so that "reliable sources" only mean American Media ???????, Indian news papers call Masood azhar as terrorist too, he is responsible for killind hundreds of hindus and indian soldiers, do you mean that life of a hindi is less valuable than that of a jewish or christian person ???? Pungimaster (talk) 06:16, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Who said reliable sources mean American media? If Indian media and government is calling him a terrorist then attribute that label to Indian gov. and media; the second sentence of the article already does: "India lists Masood Azhar as one of its most wanted terrorists due to a history of militant activities.[1][2]". You can edit that sentence to include Indian press as well, but don't forget to add sources to it.
 * I'm sorry if you feel we are being racist, but with that sort of edit summaries you're going to be blocked indef. pretty soon, so knock it off. —SpaceFlight89 06:22, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

So basically you are threatening me !!!!! unless I shut up to the pressure from you almighty admins Pungimaster (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:27, 2 September 2009 (UTC).
 * Most of us are not admins. And yes, its a warning that you do not call other users racist or sockpuppets without evidence. Why don't you respond objectively to the content dispute issue at hand now? I've put my comments in the two posts above. —SpaceFlight89 06:31, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

This is an utter disaster. The fact that Maulana Masood Azhar is a terrorist is undisputed. He has been behind several attacks on civilians and suicide bombings. I dont know what gives you the moral authority to discuss otherwise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.0.254.76 (talk) 05:35, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The "moral authority" is not what decides content in Wikipedia, the five pillars are. One of those is WP:NPOV. We just explain the sourced facts and let them speak for themselves. Readers can come to the conclusion on their own. We already state that India considers him to be a terrorist. There is no need for us to make the call as well. Apparition11  Complaints / Mistakes  12:40, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Assalamoalikum hzrat Zeyaurrahman azhar (talk) 12:42, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Hazrat main aapki bhoot si taqrir sunta hoo aur iman ka maza milta hai hazrat lekin aisa India me kux bhi nhi ho rha aur yha ke musalman bhi khamosh hai mai Kolkata w.b me rhta hoo aur hafiz ki pdhai kar rha hoon agar aap ko is na chiz ki kbhi bhi zaroorat ho to zrur yad kijiye ye banda islam w jihad ke lie apni jan bhi de de ga aur mujhe reply zarur dijiye ga aap ka intizar rhega in sha allah khuda hafiz Zeyaurrahman azhar (talk) 12:51, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Mollana Masood Azhar is fighting for the cause of Independence of Kashmir and has not been verified as a terrorist by the U.N. So as responsibile editors of wikipedia ,we need to see the established fact and neglect any sort of emotional or prejudicial edit. We need to see the prospect of Kashmir also and then decide the fate and publish accordingly. Let truth prevail in the best form. Zuen07 (talk) 13:12, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Masood Azhar has already been designated a 'terrorist' and JeM a 'terrorist organisation' by Australia, Canada, India, Russia, the UAE, the UK, the US and the BRICS. Only China is against the UN resolution. Talks will be hosted in the UN, again. DoomDriven (talk) 16:37, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

WP:Terrorist
All references to Azhar as a terrorist need to be amended to comply with WP: Terrorist. The term terrorist is not neutral. Per the policy, "other words to consider using, but depending context may also carry non-neutral point of view, are insurgent, paramilitary, partisan and militant."RDavi404 (talk) 15:19, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Books
It is not clear how the book section pertains to Azhar. Also, no citations are given to verify the information.--RDavi404 (talk) 14:09, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

I am going to remove the section on books unless someone can verify the information.--RDavi404 (talk) 13:32, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

al jihad
Al jihad Zeyaurrahman azhar (talk) 13:00, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 15 February 2019
Masood Azhar (Urdu: محمد مسعود اظہر) is the founder and leader of the UN-designated[1] terrorist group Jaish-e-Mohammed, active mainly in the Pakistani administered Azad Kashmir.

"Please change Azad Kashmir to Kashmir because 'Azad Kashmir' term is used by Pakistani government and this would not be right with respect to Indian government as Indians call it POK (Pakistan Occupied Kashmir). Wikipedia should be nutral and call it Kashmir. In this case it would be Pakistan administrated Kashmir (NOT Azad Kashmir)".


 * ❌. "Azad Jammu and Kashmir" is the official name of the province, and is used in an ample number of reliable sources. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:35, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 March 2019
change Pakistan administered Azad Kashmir to Pakistan Administered Kashmir. Till the region is disputed, BBC refers to two parts of Kashmir as Pakistan Administered Kashmir and India Administered Kashmir. Adding "Azad" prefix makes it controversial. Jangid (talk) 20:03, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
 * ❌ Per the previous section. &#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery (talk) 21:02, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Source to expand the article

 * Masood Azhar down with renal failure? - The Hindu -- D Big X ray ᗙ  05:27, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 March 2019
He died on 2nd march 2019 due to the airstrike conducted by India. Dunjimmaster (talk) 14:53, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  D Big X ray ᗙ  15:37, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Rumors of death?
There are certain rumors about the death of Masood Azhar. www.timesnownews.com/amp/international/article/maulana-masood-azhar-pakistan-iaf-balakot-air-strike-shah-mahmood-qureshi-iaf-india/375881 Some say he is very much alive. https://twitter.com/MichaelKugelman/status/1102213904208404482 Some say he is alive but in bad health.

More news to come. DoomDriven (talk) 23:32, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
 * DoomDriven, This was a part of the propaganda warfare by ISPR. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  09:47, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Veto by China
China has again vetoed the UN resolution to designate JeM as a 'Global terrorist' org. I think this should be mentioned, along with the history of similar attempts. Ref, https://www.firstpost.com/world/if-china-continues-to-block-masood-azhars-designation-as-global-terrorist-un-may-be-forced-to-pursue-other-actions-unsc-diplomat-6256771.html/amp?utm_source=quora&utm_medium=referral DoomDriven (talk) 09:38, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
 * DoomDriven, what is the exact line that you want to add ? -- D Big X ray ᗙ  10:15, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

"Starting 2009, there have been 4 attempts to put Masood Azhar in the UN Security Council's counter-terrorism sanctions. All the attempts were vetoed by China, citing 'lack of evidence'. The most recent attempt was on 13th March 2019."

I can't remember the exact dates of the previous attempts. DoomDriven (talk) 11:25, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
 * DoomDriven, I have added your proposed line into the last section. Please check if it is ok. regards. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  15:48, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

It's good. Many thanks. DoomDriven (talk) 21:31, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

some sources to expand
https://www.firstpost.com/india/indias-bombs-havent-killed-the-jaish-6178531.html

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/pakistan-intelligence-used-jaish-e-mohammed-for-attacks-in-india-pervez-musharraf-2003861 -- D Big X ray ᗙ  18:04, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 May 2019
Masood Azhar Designated Global Terrorist In UN on 1st May 2019. Sujit panda (talk) 13:50, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: as you have not provided any reliable sources to support the change you want to be made. - Arjayay (talk) 13:54, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Its all over the Internet. Dagana4 (talk) 16:16, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * If so, it should be easy for you to provide a reliable, independent source, not an ISPR propaganda source - Arjayay (talk) 19:04, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * It's already there in the article (( --regentspark (comment) 19:28, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/jaish-e-mohammed-chief-masood-azhar-designated-global-terrorist-live-updates-2031507 Dagana4 (talk) 19:29, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Grammatical Error Needs Fixing
In the third entry of the bibliography section, there is a typo that needs to be fixed. The bullet point in question states:

"Yahūd kī cālīs bīmāryān̲ ('Forty Diseases Of The Jews'). Middle East Media Research Institute noted that it may be one of the most antisemitic book of the Urdu language, with 424 pages and 440 Qur'anic verses quoted. He has criticized the whole of Judaism, calling it 'another name for those beliefs, ideas, and practices which were invented by Satan.'"

In the second sentence where it says "...it may be one of the most antisemitic book of the Urdu language," the word "book" obviously disagrees with the plural designation required by the phrase "one of." To be grammatically correct, the sentence needs to be fixed to, instead, say:

"Middle East Media Research Institute noted that it may be one of the most antisemitic BOOKS of the Urdu language, with 424 pages and 440 Qur'anic verses quoted."

Please fix this asap, it's a very obvious grammatical error and will not in any way change the content of the page or in any way deviate from the underlying, cited source marterial.

Thank you! PodbertMippy (talk) 07:51, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Are any of the supers going to take care of this?

It literally needs just a single letter added PodbertMippy (talk) 22:20, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Why books has been listed
Are Wikipedia is trying to promote radicalism here ?? I take my word back. It's good to have these thing listed here, Ideas can only be killed by other better ideas not by hiding them. The more information will be available in public information the more people will be aware. Can anyone add a summary of these books also? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lifeisshubh (talk • contribs) 07:47, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 February 2022
I request that his name in Urdu is added to the article and the info box, which would be “” پاکیزہ سلام (talk) 21:42, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
 * ❌ at the least will need some more discussion which can continue here. I did a quick look through the category of similar people and that styling does not appear to be present on any of the other articles, so I don't think it has style support.  Note, we do already include a link to مسعود_اظہر and other variants via Q6783838. —  xaosflux  Talk 14:54, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Dead on New Year Night or early Morning of Jan 01 2024
confirmed dead in a Bomb Blast in Pakistan 111.92.118.158 (talk) 06:31, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * And what reliable sources have you based that statement on? - Arjayay (talk) 13:05, 2 January 2024 (UTC)