Talk:Mayfair

Residents
Unsourced list moved from article. Needs sourcing, and putting into context. Much of these are probably better off being placed in the articles on the streets named.  SilkTork  ✔Tea time  23:53, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Albemarle Street: Aldford Street: Audley Square: Avery Row: Bentinck Street: Fitzmaurice Place: Berkeley Square: Berkeley Street: Broadbent Street: Brook Street: Bruton Place: Bruton Street: Carlos Place: Charles Street: Chesterfield Hill: Chesterfield Street: Chesterfield Hill: Clarges Street: Clifford Street: Curzon Street: Davies Street: Dover Street: Duke Street (also enters into Marylebone): Dunraven Street: Farm Street: Grafton Street: Green Street: Groom Place: Grosvenor Square: Grosvenor Street: Hertford Street: Park Street:
 * Robert Adam (1728–1792) Scottish Architect – No 13
 * William Ewart (1817–1889) Irish Politician & Manufacturer – No 14
 * Alexander Graham Bell (1847–1922) Scottish inventor of the telephone and hearing aid, performed first long distance call from No 33
 * John Gilbert Winant (1889–1947) American Politician – No 7
 * Irving Allen (1905–1987) Polish Film & Theatre Producer – No 3
 * W H Davies (1871–1940) Welsh Poet, dubbed the 'Tramp Poet' – No 13
 * Leslie Henson (1891–1957) English Comedy Actor – No 4
 * William Petty, Earl of Kerry (1811–1836) British Politician - No 9, Lansdowne House
 * Harry Gordon Selfridge (1864–1947) American department store founder – Blue Plaque
 * Horace Walpole (1717–1797) British 'Man of Letters', Politician & Novelist – No 11 Berkeley Square (He also lived at No 22 & No 5 Arlington Street, St James's)
 * Bernard Sunley British Philanthropist & Businessman – Lived at & formed charity at No 20 – Green Plaque
 * George Canning (1770–1827) British Prime Minister in 1827 – No 50 – Blue Plaque
 * Robert Clive, 1st Baron Clive of India (1725–1774) British Soldier & Statesman – No 50 – Blue Plaque
 * Benita Hume (1906–1967) English Actress – No 9
 * Robert Baldwin Ross (1869–1918) English journalist, close friend and executor of Oscar Wilde – No 7, Mayfair Chambers
 * Jimi Hendrix (1942–1970) American Musician – No 23 – English Heritage Blue Plaque
 * George Frederic Handel (1685–1759) Anglo-German composer – No 25 – English Heritage Blue Plaque
 * John Beresford Fowler (1906–1977) English Interior Designer – No 39
 * Jeffry Wyattville (1766–1840) English Architect – No 39 – Blue Plaque
 * Frankie Howerd (1917–1992) English Comedy Actor – No 46
 * Valentine Ackland (1906–1969) English Poet – No 54
 * Colen Campbell (1676–1729) Scottish Architect – No 76 – Blue Plaque
 * Ronald Firbank (1886–1926) English Novelist – No 78 (He also lived at No 40, Clarges Street)
 * William Withey Gull (1816–1890) English Physician, suspected in the Jack the Ripper murders – No 74
 * Robert Bentley Todd (1809–1860) Irish Physician – No 74
 * Kay Hammond (1909–1980) English Actress – No 40
 * Frances Carson (1895–1973) American Actress – No 13
 * Harold Fielding (1916–2003) English Theatre Producer – No 13
 * Queen Elizabeth II (1926–) - born at No 21 (since demolished)
 * Edward Marsh (polymath) (1872–1953) English Civil Servant – No 30
 * Detmar Blow (1867–1939) English Architect – No 3
 * Oscar Wilde (1854–1900) Irish Poet & Novelist – No 9
 * Archibald Primrose (1847–1929) British Prime Minister 1894–1895 – No 20
 * Ian Fleming (1908–1964) English author of 'James Bond' novels, journalist, and naval intelligence officer – No 21, Hays Mews
 * Robbie Ross (1869–1918) English Journalist, confidante, and executor of Oscar Wilde – No 3
 * Beau Brummell (1778–1840) English Socialite, Dandy– No 4 – Blue Plaque
 * Anthony Eden (1897–1977) British Prime Minister 1955 to 1957– No 4 – Blue Plaque
 * W Somerset Maugham (1874–1965) British Novelist & Playwright – No 6 – Blue Plaque
 * Thomas Babington Macaulay (1800–1859) English Poet, Politician & Historian – No 3
 * Sir Austin Bide (1915–2008) British Industrialist – Clarges House, No's 6–12
 * Edmund Kean (1787–1833) English Theatre Actor – No 12 (demolished?)
 * Elizabeth Carter (1717–1806) English Poet – Nos 20 & 21
 * Charles James Fox (1749–1806) British Statesman – No 45 – Blue Plaque
 * William Bowman (1816–1892) English Surgeon – No 5
 * Robert Liston (1794–1847) English Surgeon – No 5
 * Eliab Harvey (1758–1830) British Navy Officer – No 8
 * Alexander Crichton (1763–1856) Scottish Physician – No 17
 * Sir John Moore, 1st Baronet (1718–1779) British Navy Admiral – No 18
 * Peter Sellers (1925–1980) English Comedy Actor – Had a flat in Glendore House 1964–1968
 * Harry Nilsson (1941–1994) American Musician – No 9 (Flat 14)
 * Cass Elliot (1941–1974) American Musician died in Nilsson's flat – No 9
 * Keith Moon (1946–1978) English Musician died in Nilsson's flat – No 9
 * Nancy Mitford (1904–1973) English Novelist & Essayist worked at No 10 – Blue Plaque
 * Benjamin Disraeli (1804–1881) British Prime Minister – No 19 – Plaque?
 * Francis Chantrey (1781–1841) English Sculptor – No 24
 * Rufus Isaacs (1860–1935) English Politician. Jurist – No 32 – Red Plaque
 * Ronald Firbank (1886–1926) English Novelist – No 33
 * Cicely Courtneidge (1893–1980) English Actress & Comedienne – No 43
 * Jack Hulbert (1892–1978) English Comedy Actor – No 43
 * John Elliotson (1791–1868) English Physician – No 2, Bourdon House
 * Hugh Grosvenor (1879–1953) 2nd Duke of Westminster – No 2, Bourdon House
 * Beryl Grey (1927--) Ballerina – No 32, Claridge House
 * May Fortescue (1862–1950) English Theatre Actress/Singer – No 29
 * Samuel Whitbread (1764–1815) English Politician – No 35
 * Simon Bolivar (1783–1830) Venezuelan Revolutionary – No 4 – Blue Plaque
 * William S Burroughs (1914–1997) American Novelist – No 8
 * Edward Lear (1812–1888) English Poet & Writer – No 27 – Blue Plaque
 * Alfred Milner 1st Viscount Milner (1854–1925) British Politician/Colonial Administrator – No 47
 * Thomas Anstey Guthrie (1856–1934) English Novelist as F. Anstey – No 60
 * P G Wodehouse (1881–1975) English Humourist, Writer, Novelist – No 17
 * Tallulah Bankhead (1902–1968) American Actress & TV Host – No 1
 * Amherst Villiers (1900–1991) English Automotive & Aviation Engineer – No 22, Farm House
 * Sarah Siddons (1755–1831) Welsh Theatre Actress – No 8
 * Gainsborough Dupont (1754–1797) English Artist – No 17
 * Hilda Bayley (1888–1971) English Actress – No 21
 * Jill Bennett (1931–1990) English Actress – No 22
 * Lord David Cecil (1902–1986) English Biographer/Historian – No 24
 * Alfred Lyttelton (1857–1913) British Politician, Footballer, Cricketer – No 4
 * Alexander McQueen (1969–2010) British Fashion Designer – No 7
 * Renee Vivien (1877–1909) British Poet who wrote in French – No 10
 * Thomas Sopwith (1888–1989) British Aviation pioneer – No 46 – Blue Plaque
 * Beatles British Pop Group. All 4 Beatles stayed at No 57 in 1963
 * Leslie Mitchell (1905–1985) Scottish TV Broadcaster – No 20
 * John Adams (1735–1826) 2nd President of the United States – No 9 – Engraved Brass Plaque
 * Frederick Handley Page (1885–1962) English Aviation pioneer – No 18 (in Flat 3) – Blue Plaque
 * Anthony Ashley-Cooper, 7th Earl of Shaftesbury (1801–1885) English Politician – No 24
 * Kenneth Clark (1903–1983) English TV Broadcaster, Art Historian – Flat at No 32
 * Sir Joseph Lockwood (1904–1991) British Businessman – Flat at No 33
 * Woolf Barnato (1895–1948) British Racing Car Driver, one of the 1920s "Bentley Boys" – Flat at No 50
 * Alice Keppel (1868–1947) British Society Hostess & lover of King Edward VII – No 16
 * Sir Alexander Korda (1893–1956) British Film Producer – offices at No 21 & 22
 * Cecil Kershaw (1895–1972) Rugby player for England – No 32
 * Sir David Lionel Goldsmid-Stern-Salomons (1851–1925) English Inventor – No 49
 * Joseph Moses Levy (1812–1888) English Newspaper publisher, helped found The Daily Telegraph – No 51
 * Anne Oldfield (1683–1730) English Stage Actress – No 60
 * John Adrian Louis Hope, 1st Marquess of Linlithgow (1860–1908) Scottish Aristocrat, First Governor-General of Australia – No 66
 * Sydney Smirke (1798–1877) English Architect – No 80
 * Wendy Richard (1943–2009) English Television Actress – The Shepherd's Tavern – Blue PlaqueHertford Street:
 * Sarah Miles (1941–) English Theatre and Film Actress - No 58

Possible resources
British History - Edward Walford: British History - F. H. W. Sheppard:
 * BBC News story: Reviving the Mayfair May Fair
 * 'Mayfair', Old and New London: Volume 4 (1878)
 * 'Grosvenor Square and its neighbourhood', Old and New London: Volume 4 (1878)
 * 'Berkeley Square and its neighbourhood', Old and New London: Volume 4 (1878
 * 'Hanover Square and neighbourhood', Old and New London: Volume 4 (1878)
 * 'Piccadilly: Northern tributaries', Old and New London: Volume 4 (1878)
 * 'Mansions in Piccadilly', Old and New London: Volume 4 (1878)
 * 'Piccadilly: Burlington House', Old and New London: Volume 4 (1878)
 * 'Regent Street and Piccadilly', Old and New London: Volume 4 (1878)
 * 'Plan pocket: The Grosvenor Estate in Mayfair', Survey of London: volume 39: The Grosvenor Estate in Mayfair, Part 1 (General History) (1977)
 * The Acquisition of the Estate; The Manor of Ebury; The Grosvenor Marriage
 * The Grosvenor family's large estate in northern Mayfair
 * Survey of London: volume 40: The Grosvenor Estate in Mayfair, Part 2 (The Buildings) (1980)

- I am steadily working my way round my Monopoly board with the aim of improving all articles on it, so this is on my radar. If I don't get to it first, maybe can give it a go. Or possibly as he's local. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  14:02, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

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What's the point of this edit, which has now been made by an anon IP editor three times in succession? The original text looks fine to me. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:03, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

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What to put in the infobox
There was a reason the article didn't have an infobox, but I can't remember what. I think it was due to it sandwiching images further down and making a mess. Anyway, I think it should have:
 * A map
 * Not a grid reference (the area covers multiple entries and hence makes no sense)
 * Counties : I would go with Westminster / London. You don't want the Association of British Counties on your back.
 * Parliament / assembly
 * Post town / district - ambivalent, but if people can't bear not to have them then I suppose we'll manage

Anything else? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  14:00, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
 * A map at infobox size is wholly useless. Really a traditional area like this, which doesn't align with any current political/postal etc divisions is too complicated for an infobox to handle. Obviously the key fact about Mayfair is that only very rich people live there, & no box that doesn't get that up front is worth having. Perhaps this was the "reason the article didn't have an infobox"? Johnbod (talk) 14:10, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Indeed it was - looks like I was struggling to get a working map and couldn't do it. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  14:22, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Very wise - to me the version here ain't worth having! Johnbod (talk) 14:35, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Coming late to the punch up- Mayfair is similar to Bloomsbury which has a very pretty infobox. The map however leaves something to be desired but is consistent with similar articles. I have left myself a few notes on wikicartography in my user-page that may be useful or entertaining- as the UK place infobox may not have caught up with infobox school. may be what you were thinking about — Preceding unsigned comment added by ClemRutter (talk • contribs) 16:07, 9 March 2021 (UTC) ‎
 * That's a nice map, but much too wide for an infobox, and the rest of the information isn't worth giving such prominence to (which goes for Bloomsbury too). At least let's not have a multiple image - yuk! Johnbod (talk) 18:07, 9 March 2021 (UTC)


 * See the infobox in Covent Garden – a somewhat imprecise district which is an FA. For coordinates, I would focus on the site of the original May fair, which was in the Great Brookfield which is now Curzon Street. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:43, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

RFC: Infobox
Should we add an infobox after this discussion above, and per previous edit. 112.204.206.165 (talk) 05:22, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * You forgot to mention this edit, where the reason I removed the infobox was specifically "can't get a decent map working". Ritchie333 (talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  12:25, 25 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes. It's weird to come to an article on a location like this and not have a map and other summary info in an infobox. The above-mentioned Covent Garden is a good example of what readers are apt to expect.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  06:35, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * No Neutral per previous threads, simply because nobody could actually come to a consensus what we should put in it. However, if somebody wants to draft an infobox here that looks good and informative, and fits in with the page layout, I'll have a think about it. Indeed, the question of what should go in an infobox is probably a more relevant one than simply having one or not. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  10:25, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes per SMcCandlish. It's very odd for non-stub articles about geographic places not to have an infobox. Covent Garden, Isle of Dogs, Fitzrovia, Dalston, Millbank, De Beauvoir Town, etc. all manage to have apparently uncontroversial infoboxes, and I'm not seeing anything here that can't be accommodated. Thryduulf (talk) 11:17, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes - Infoboxes are extremely useful for finding quick information in a single glance. The contents of the infobox can be argued later, but the existence of an infobox should not be controversial. Incidentally, I see nothing objectional about the suggested infobox below. Fieari (talk) 07:15, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, please. They are useful for structured information. Contentious entries can just be omitted. I like the infobox below. SWinxy (talk) 23:49, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes - An infobox would be useful in this case. JoseJan89 (talk) 08:57, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Not this one below, which is completely useless. Yes, it's in London, that's London, England, and ceremonially it's in London, which is in the UK. Nothing about the most glaringly obvious thing about Mayfair, which any Monopoly player can tell you. Johnbod (talk) 10:39, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Side discussion
Here is a mockup of an infobox for the article. Comments welcome. I notice that the "Police", "Fire" and "Ambulance" fields are automatically populated, which is actually one of my objections - how is that relevant to the article. But that's a discussion for the template itself. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  12:16, 25 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Ah, I've worked out how to turn these off, so I've updated to follow suit. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  12:18, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * That looks good. I don't have an objection to police et al, but equally they aren't the most important so I'm happy with them either in or out. One of the district articles I looked at (but I can't remember which one) had a map showing the location in the UK rather than the borough or Greater London, which I think is less useful than the presentation here. Thryduulf (talk) 13:21, 25 May 2023 (UTC)