Talk:McDonald's/Archive 6

Semi-protected edit request on 30 September 2014
McDonald was recently destroyed by the very drink that helped create it... orange juice

24.181.128.159 (talk) 02:30, 30 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: You'll need to be clearer about what should be changed and provide reliable sources that support the changes. —C.Fred (talk) 02:39, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Mc Donald's Nutritional Fact
Mc Donald’s nutritional facts for a medium fry are the following, the calories are 380, the total fat is 19 grams while the sodium is 270 mg and lastly the total carbs are 48g. When looking at Burger Kings medium fry the total calories 311, the total fat 13 g, sodium content is 432 g and the total carbs are 44g.

For the 10-piece Mc nuggets at Mc Donald’s the calories are 470, the total fat is 30g, sodium 900 mg, and the total carbs are 30 g. Burger Kings 10-piece chicken nuggets are 470 calories, 29g total fat, sodium is 890g and the total carbohydrates are 34 g. When looking at Chick-fil-A 12 piece chicken nuggets there nutrition facts were, 400 calories, 19g total fat, sodium 1590 mg, total carbs are 15 mg.

50.187.50.162 (talk) 01:03, 9 October 2014 (UTC)http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-mcdonalds-french-fries-i5392850.187.50.162 (talk) 01:03, 9 October 2014 (UTC) §Caitlin 50.187.50.162 (talk) 01:03, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 January 2015
Request to add additional citations on factual-driven statements, with the source housed on https://uk-franchise.co.uk

Cjshort (talk) 20:23, 18 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Additionally, at a glance, that does not appear to be a WP:reliable source, as it is user generated content. Grayfell (talk) 20:35, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Alleged assault of Steve Mann and lack of accountability.
On July 16, 2012, after numerous unsuccessful attempts to contact McDonalds, Mann published a first-person account of a July 1st 2012 incident from when he and his family were eating dinner at BFI Champs Elysées, a McDonald's restaurant in Paris, France, as follows (excerpt):

Within a day, this incident was posted on reddit under the title "Steve Mann, father of wearable computing, physically assaulted by McDonald's for wearing Digital Eye Glass," quickly becoming the top post on the site. The subsequent media coverage resulted in Mann being successful in contacting McDonald's Head of Customer Service, but only to receive a denial, not an apology. Mann requested a review of the video surveillance recordings from the many surveillance cameras in this McDonald's establishment, but received no further replies from McDonald's. (alternate link)

Subsequently Mann sent a much shorter letter, in French, to McDonald's Head of Customer Service, but also received no reply. (alternate link)

As a result of this incident, rather than bringing legal action against McDonald's, Mann teamed up with the IEEE (world's largest technical society), the ACLU, and some industry leaders such as the Pete Wassell, CEO of Augmate Corporation, to propose the Mann-Wassell law for presentation to the New York legislature (alternate link), as well an IEEE conference on the topic of Veillance. The goal of this work is to create a legal, policy, and social climate to counteract the actions of companies like McDonald's, that are likely to have a chilling effect on the research and use of Augmediated Reality technologies in everyday life. In this context, Mann also formalized the concept of McVeillance as placing people under surveillance while simultaneously forbidding them from using their own cameras. More precisely, McVeillance was defined as the ratio (linearly) or difference (logarithmically) of surveillance to sousveillance. (alternate link) McVeillance is one of the topics of the IEEE conference.

162.217.74.99 (talk) 18:11, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Amortias (T)(C) 19:00, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 May 2015
It appears to have been vandalized, but I can't fix it.

Brvhelios (talk) 23:54, 12 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done @Brvhelios: Thank you for pointing it out. It's been fixed. —C.Fred (talk) 00:14, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 May 2015
The oldest operating McDonald's restaurant was the fourth one built, opening in 1953. It is located at 10207 Lakewood Blvd. at Florence Ave. in Downey, California (at 33.9471°N 118.1182°W).

The fourth is wrong, it should be the third as it is correctly reported in the wiki page of the oldest McDonald's restaurant.

LarsDalsbø (talk) 22:15, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. I don't like the idea of relying on another Wikipedia page to "correct" the one here. We shouldn't depend on our own articles being accurate; that's the job of using outside sources–and in this case I searched and couldn't find anything to prove whether that particular restaurant was the third or fourth built. Perhaps if you have more experience navigating the NHRP website than I do, you can dig something up and reactivate this request. Altamel (talk) 03:56, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 August 2015
Add to show the semiprotection of the article.115.188.176.136 (talk) 22:37, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

115.188.176.136 (talk) 22:37, 28 August 2015 (UTC)


 * yellow check.svg Y Partly done Well, I have done the addition of the lock, but I have not used the lock that you have requested. Rather, I think the lock is a general long-term protection. Qwertyxp2000 (talk &#124; contribs) 00:50, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 September 2015
Add

115.188.176.136 (talk) 08:25, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

✅ - although the actual page is Macdonald (disambiguation) not MacDonald (disambiguation) - Wikipedia is fussy about cases - Arjayay (talk) 09:33, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

need to rewrite article
I looked at the outline and find that it really doesn't cover McDonald's well. See this....

1 History 1.1 Headquarters 2 Products 3 Corporate overview 3.1 Facts and figures 3.2 Board of directors 3.3 Types of restaurants 3.4 Global operations 3.5 Playgrounds 3.6 Redesign 3.7 Business model 3.8 Smoking ban 4 Wages 5 Advertising 5.1 Space exploration 5.2 Children's advertising 5.3 Sports awards and honors 6 Charity 6.1 McHappy Day 6.2 McDonald's Monopoly donation 7 Criticism 7.1 Arguments in defense 7.2 Environmental record 7.3 Legal cases 7.4 Employment practices 7.5 Use of genetically modified food 8 See also 9 References 10 Further reading 11 External links

So wages is a big enough topic to have one section and McHappy Day a subsection?

This is a huge task to rethink the overall structure of what is the most important sections for a company. Sandra opposed to terrorism (talk) 16:13, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Possible error in thinking
This article confuses two entities.

McDonalds Corporation and McDonald's Restaurants. They are similar but not the same. The corporation also does other things. At one time, they owned Chipotle's. Sandra opposed to terrorism (talk) 16:21, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3rd September 2015
Request to update and expand information already under the 'Criticism' section on accusation of tax avoidance and ongoing investigations into McDonald's tax practices. I suggest that a new section is added (7.6) 'Accusations of Tax Avoidance' in order to clean up the info in the general criticism section and update the information to reference the ongoing European Commission investigation, as well as to give more details.

I propose the following text: --START--

Accusations of Tax Avoidance

In Europe, McDonald’s has come under fire for engaging questionable tax avoidance practices. McDonald’s in Europe underwent a major restructuring in 2008 and 2009 which consisted of creating a Luxembourg-based subsidiary to hold its European property and franchising rights and of moving its European headquarters from London to Geneva. Between 2009 and 2013 the Luxembourg subsidiary, McD Europe Franchising Sàrl, which also has branches in Switzerland and the US, received €3.7 billion in royalties on which it had paid only €16 million in tax. As a result, by 2013 McD Europe Franchising Sàrl’s effective tax rate had fallen to 1.4%. This is despite the company’s own annual accounts showing that McD Europe Franchising Sàrl had only 13 employees at the time and no investment in ongoing research and development. Such a low effective tax rate points to a possible tax deal between McDonald’s and the Luxembourg authorities, similar to the type uncovered by the ‘Lux Leaks’ revelations. Over €1 bn in tax revenues may have been lost across Europe between 2009-2013 through the funnelling of royalty payments through Luxembourg, where they are then subject to a very low tax rate. In late 2013 French tax authorities launched an investigation into tax practices at McDonalds and McDonalds is also included in a European Commission investigation into tax avoidance.

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Any suggestions, comments or edits welcome. I await editor approval Patruskin (talk) 16:24, 3 September 2015 (UTC)Patruskin


 * From reading the sources, and understanding of the tax laws, McD's has done nothing wrong, and just taken advantage of a situation brought about by Europe themselves. I'd move to Luxembourg myself if I could reduce my tax payments to 1.4%.
 * Also, the statement "Such a low effective tax rate points to a possible tax deal" is inflammatory, and not supported by the source claimed. The source states that other companies have made tax deals, but not that McDonalds has.  Chaheel Riens (talk) 16:59, 3 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't see how if McDonald's has or has not done anything is relevant, that is not for us to judge. I am proposing that the page be updated to reflect widespread criticism of the corporation in Europe that has led the company to be investigated by the European Commission, and be widely criticised in the European press. European law contains provision against tax avoidance if the structure serves no other purpose than to evade tax. For both these reasons I don't see your point.
 * The speculative claim is supported by the source, however if people feel the statement is inflammatory that is fine, it can be cut. Patruskin (talk) 12:35, 6 September 2015 (UTC)Patruskin


 * Bump. Could someone please with relevant permissions please action this. Thank you. Patruskin (talk) 11:54, 10 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: Chaheel Riens raises some valid objections. We need some wider discussion to establish whether any or all of this should be added to the article. I'm not going to mark the request as closed just yet. —C.Fred (talk) 18:00, 10 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Wider discussion is a good idea but could people please be specific as to what the problem is. My argument is that this is an issue which has received a large amount of attention in Europe and is the subject of ongoing investigation by both the French government and the European Commission, the outcomes of which could majorly effect McDonald's operation in the European Union. As such, I believe this issue is just as relevant as any other in the criticism section and the issue of whether the company has 'done anything wrong' or not is not relevant as our role is to record the situation, not make value judgements either way. Help with making sure the section achieved a neutral point of view would be very welcome and I keenly await other comments. Thanks Patruskin (talk) 10:17, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request of December 3
The section "Employee wages and working conditions" is a bit of a mess of WP:OS and poorly sourced material.


 * "As reported by Glassdoor, McDonald's U.S. pays entry level employees between $7.25 an hour and $11 an hour with an average of no higher than $8.69 an hour. Shift managers get paid an average of $10.34 an hour. Assistant managers get paid an average of $11.57 an hour" Glassdoor salaries information is user-generated content, and thus fails WP:RS


 * "However, multiple studies and lawsuits have shown that many McDonald's restaurants pay less than the minimum wage to entry positions due to wage theft." The source for this statement appears to be reference 56. This is a broad generalizaton that needs stronger support than a single article in Salon, apparently re-printed from a blog as the original source.


 * "In South Korea, McDonald's pays part-time employees $5.5 an hour and is accused of paying less with arbitrary schedules adjustments and pay delays" The source does not say this in its own voice, but attributes this comment to a labor union.  Not entirely clear that the Korea Observer is a reliable source in any case given the editorial tone of the article.


 * "McDonald's CEO, Steve Easterbrook, currently earns an annual salary of $1,100,000.[58]". Unless the source draws this comparison to worker's pay, its WP:OS. But one cannot readily check, as the link is broken.

Overall I support living wage laws and am quite sure than there are documentable cases of McDonald's restaurants (many of which are owned and operated by franchisees) behaving abominably. But this is an encyclopedia, and the entire section reads like a denunciation of the company. Wikipedia notes the existence of controversies, it does not take part in them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.162.132.47 (talk) 13:20, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

2601:643:8100:8AF4:108B:C185:92E1:9FAD (talk) 12:58, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Mcdonalds can often cause obesity any where in the world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Princess6699 (talk • contribs) 15:20, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Menu items
In the lede, we list "chicken" as a standard menu item and "fish" as something they've expanded into the menu to address tastes. I'm unaware of any chicken on the McD's menu before the introduction of Chicken McNuggets in 1983; fish has been on there since at least 1962, in the form of Filet-O-Fish. I don't claim full knowledge, but should "fish" be moved off of the expansion list? --Nat Gertler (talk) 19:36, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

External links modified
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 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20090708033033/http://www.rockymountainnews.com:80/news/2006/dec/23/chipotle-founder-had-big-dreams/ to http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2006/Dec/23/chipotle-founder-had-big-dreams
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20120118024929/http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-14996359.html to http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-14996359.html
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20090924170519/http://www.fwi.co.uk:80/Articles/2007/07/03/104864/mcdonalds-milk-goes-organic.html to http://www.fwi.co.uk/Articles/2007/07/03/104864/mcdonalds-milk-goes-organic.html
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20110717033700/http://www.aboutmcdonalds.com/etc/medialib/aboutMcDonalds/corporate_governance.Par.47812.File.dat/CAS_REPORT_2009.pdf to http://www.aboutmcdonalds.com/etc/medialib/aboutMcDonalds/corporate_governance.Par.47812.File.dat/CAS_REPORT_2009.pdf
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20070418214623/http://www.abc.net.au:80/news/newsitems/200704/s1895071.htm to http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200704/s1895071.htm

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Website in info box
McDonald's main website is www.mcdonalds.com/us/en/home.html

Nutcracker100 (talk) 02:09, 19 January 2016 (UTC)


 * That's only for the US, and I think the site automatically detects IP addresses. Different countries have different sites: . Wikipedia is international, and this article is about the whole company, so it makes more sense to link to the company's corporate website, rather than pick a site for only one country. Grayfell (talk) 03:31, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 January 2016
McDonalds, also known as McArnolds, is a popular fast food chain around the world.

2602:306:3289:B250:3DFB:9DD2:2F5:F40B (talk) 20:04, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. --allthefoxes (Talk) 20:51, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

External links modified
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I have just added archive links to 4 one external links on McDonald's. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20130313100746/http://www.rmhc.org/news-and-events/mchappy-day/ to http://rmhc.org/news-and-events/mchappy-day/
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20080412142241/http://www.cnn.com:80/2003/SHOWBIZ/books/11/11/offbeat.mcjob.ap/ to http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/books/11/11/offbeat.mcjob.ap/
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20120514114451/http://www.fwi.co.uk/Articles/03/07/2007/104864/McDonalds39-milk-goes-organic.htm to http://www.fwi.co.uk/Articles/03/07/2007/104864/McDonalds39-milk-goes-organic.htm
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20110114210718/http://www.gmanews.tv:80/story/96850/McDonalds-says-all-US-french-fries-cooked-in-zero-trans-fat-oil to http://www.gmanews.tv/story/96850/McDonalds-says-all-US-french-fries-cooked-in-zero-trans-fat-oil

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Subsidiary or alternate name of RPH, Inc.?
According to the board of directors listing of RMHC, the link to RPH (McDonald's) goes directly to the McDonald's website. T3h  1337   b0y  18:45, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Section 8.3.3 Criticism-Legal Cases-UK
I would question the statement in this section that McDonald's sued a Scottish café owner called McDonald, even though the business in question dated back over a century (Sheriff Court Glasgow and Strathkelvin, November 21, 1952) The date seems unlikely given that McDonald's was only just beginning it's franchising at this time and in fact did not enter the UK market until 1974 in England and Scotland in 1987. A google search using various parameters failed to turn up any reference to such a case at any time, and I note that no such case is mentioned on the McDonald's legal cases page. I would suggest this starement be either properly verifed or removed.

Exbeardy (talk) 17:02, 27 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Fair point. Removed, unless anybody can find a reliable source to back it up.  Chaheel Riens (talk) 18:45, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2016
Could somebody remove the "Infobox company" template and replace it with the "Infobox McDonald's" template, since the Infobox McDonald's template is suppose to be used on the article, not "Infobox company".

Source(s): https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=McDonald%27s&diff=706865988&oldid=706846978

173.73.242.76 (talk) 10:18, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 04:21, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

The annual reports for 2015 are in
http://mcdonalds2015.q4web.com/recent-news/news-release-details/2016/McDonalds-Reports-Fourth-Quarter-And-Full-Year-2015-Results/default.aspx

You can update the numbers from 2014. They are found at the bottom of the page.

Global Impact
As a global enterprise, McDonald’s has edited its menus to appeal to different markets abroad. As a result, there are multiple menu items only available in particular countries or specific regions. For instance, the BLT bagel is exclusive to Canadian McDonald’s, while the McArabia is only available in Pakistan and Arab countries.

The corporation’s sensitivity to foreign markets is perhaps the most apparent in France, where McDonald’s has adapted their franchises to the French culture. Meals are a prominent part of French society, as the French spend hours a day sitting at the dinner table. McCafes feature chairs and sofas in a decorated environment, encouraging people to take their time while eating. They have even adapted their menu to include French-inspired food, such as the recently introduced McBaguette. As a result of this approach, France is McDonald’s second largest market.

China used to be a top consumer of McDonald’s as well, however a recent scandal has led to a decline in the corporation’s popularity. A Shanghai reporter secretly filmed inside a food plant of a major Shanghai processing plant that supplied food to multiple popular fast food companies. The footage showed workers processing and repackaging expired meats and even meats found on the floor. Since this scandal broke, Chinese McDonald’s consumption has dropped, but products were scheduled to return after August 3.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dlallen916 (talk • contribs) 18:39, 8 October 2014