Talk:Mianguan

redirect vs article
It's pretty clear that the article is more valuable than the redirect. Nothing links to the redirect at all, and it's unclear that this is even a real alternative name of the Empire. By contrast the crown is culturally relevant and this article is critical to understanding many East Asian idioms. We should keep this article and improve it, and getting rid of it is passive aggressive and contrary to the mission of Wikipedia MaitreyaVaruna (talk) 00:22, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Benkan diagram from gan Wikipedia
Gan Wikipedia has a good diagram of the benkan with numbers corresponding to the list present on all other Wikipedias. Unless we can move it to Wikimedia Commons (no licensing info currently present) I'm gonna make an SVG alternative in Wikimedia Commons for the diagram MaitreyaVaruna (talk) 00:24, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 20 May 2022

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  19:03, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Benkan → Mianguan – As this crown is not of Japanese origin, I believe the title should be changed to mianguan. Naming it Benkan denotes that it is more Japanese, which can be misleading. Haiiya (talk) 18:25, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * That's fine; this article needed a massive cleanup, and I'm glad you're taking it on. I will note –  is the ISO language code of the Chamorro language, whereas   is the ISO lang code for Chinese.--Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) (&#123;&#123;ping&#125;&#125; me!) 19:10, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Do you know who has the perms to change the article name? Haiiya (talk) 19:14, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Support. I made this article thinking it was of Japanese origin and only learned in subsequent research that it was not. @Haiiya in theory anyone can change the article name, but the fact that Mianguan already has a page means that it is more complicated as someone needs to delete it before the move Immanuelle 💗 (please tag me) 06:15, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I realized I could put up the discussion template after I commented that. I actually created the Mianguan redirect thinking it would make it faster, but I guess I'm wrong... Haiiya (talk) 23:39, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

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Proposal to split the article between Mianguan and Japanese Benkan
Originally, this article was a translation of the Japanese Wikipedia article on Benkan, which was primarily a description of benkan. However, the name of the article was changed to Mianguan in 2022. Benkan derives from the Chinese Mianguan, however, is over 1000 years old and has a different design. Therefore, I propose to split the article of Benkan from Mianguan.--薔薇騎士団 (talk) 02:23, 16 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Split. Sufficient independent identity for the Japanese one, and it's already pretty well fleshed out. Should be a simple matter to do the split. toobigtokale (talk) 19:35, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * More than a week has passed since the proposal to split this article, and since there have been no objections, I would like to split it. 薔薇騎士団 (talk) 21:44, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I recommend you leave a section in this article for Benkan, put Template:Main article underneath it, and WP:SUMMARY style reference it. Just a see also and unlinked mention in the lead is too loose. toobigtokale (talk) 10:27, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Understood. I will write an article on benkan's summary later. 薔薇騎士団 (talk) 11:29, 1 February 2024 (UTC)