Talk:Nairobi/Archive 1

City Meaning
Nairobi means City in the sun
 * Well, no, although it is (was?) a slogan for the city. An alternative slogan is "city in the slum", since more than a third of the population live in a slum (according to BBC News, at least). &mdash; Matt Crypto 23:38, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Nairobi means "Place of Cool Waters" in Masaai because it was a swamp. The label given to Nairobi was "Green City in the Sun".

City History
Was the city actually cited because it was above the 'malaria' altituded? The way this information is presented makes me think someone added it to give Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth" some kudos. Does anyone actually know whether this fact is true? 210.54.0.101 22:54, 2 April 2007 (UTC)


 * That's correct. The builders of the Lunatic Express selected Nairobi as a station because of the source of clean water and the altitude above the mosquito line. Mandingoesque (talk) 15:20, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * No, it's not true. Malaria extended all the way up to 2500m, and the mosquitoes were observed as high as 3000m.  Nairobi is a mere 1680m up.  As a result, malaria was always a serious problem in Nairobi. -- Zsero (talk) 00:38, 16 December 2009 (UTC)


 * At the time the temperatures were too cool for anopheles. The situation now is different 21:53, 9 September 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mandingoesque (talk • contribs)

Not really.Nyeri and Karatina areas in Central Province rarely have any Malaria cases. Karatina especially only gets Malaria when someone brings it from a Malaria zone and even then cases rarely exceed 500 in a year. My rural home happens to be there and we have never used Mosquito nets.Ever Nyeri is around the same altitude as Nairobi. The Eastern Highlands are protected from the major malaria zone(Coastal Kenya) by the dry Nyika which at times is too dry for Mosquitoes to breed and w the Cold season in July kills off the Mosquitoes that do breed in the Wet season leaving the Eastern Highlands mostly Mosquito an Malaria free for most of the Year. Today, nearly every Malaria case in Nairobi occurs mainly in the Lower Eastern part of the City and rarely in the higher Western part — Preceding unsigned comment added by GERALD710 (talk • contribs) 22:33, 13 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Much less was known about the anopheles mosquito and its breeding habits then. Hence choosing a location that fitted-in with the then-current state of knowledge would have been most likely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.55.42 (talk) 09:31, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The problem of mosquitos in Nairobi was/is very real and the Colonial Government spent a lot of time spraying the 'marsh' lands to keep the numbers down (I knew a person whose job this was). Having said that; you would not think of sleeping with a mosquito net in Nairobi as you would if you were to travel down to the Coast. 2001:8003:70F5:2400:2868:EACF:1147:57A5 (talk) 03:19, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

What is the correct derivation of Nairobi?
The original article said it comes from Ewaso Nyirobi, on Oct 20 2004, anon 209.211.56.200, changed that to Enkarenairobi. I've changed it back because I'm dubious of this. Can anyone verify which is correct? Paul August &#9742; 02:41, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Encyclopedia Britannica Online says:
 * ...taking its name from a water hole known to the Masai people as Enkare Nairobi ("Cold Water").
 * There's some websites that use "Ewaso Nyirobi", and some that use "Enkare Nairobi". I wonder where the variant comes from? I'd be inclined to go with the EB version, at least for now. &mdash; &mdash; Matt Crypto 08:58, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Changes by mkimemia
Hi, I have added bulk to the Nairobi section, changing the two paragraphs into several subsections.

I have also added an info-box.

Urban national parks: compare and contrast
> "Nairobi ... does have several tourist attractions. The most famous is the Nairobi National Park. 'It is the only national park to border a capital city, or city of this size.'"

> Tijuca Forest: "The Tijuca Forest (Floresta da Tijuca in Portuguese) is a mountainous hand-planted rainforest in the heart of Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. It is the world's largest urban forest, covering some '32 km²'. ... 'In 1961, Tijuca Forest was declared a National Park'."

> Population of Nairobi: 2,500,000 > Population of Rio de Janeiro: 6,023,699

> "Nairobi National Park is '117 km²' but is only a few km from the centre of Nairobi, the capital city of Kenya.

The park is unique in being a protected game reserve within the boundaries of a major city."

There are few other capital cities which border a capital city but all of them seem to claim to be the only one ;-)

check this out:

http://www.staff.amu.edu.pl/~zbzw/ph/pnp/kamp.htm:

"Kampinoski National Park is located north-west of Warsaw, being the only national park which borders on a capital with over a million inhabitants. It is also one of the largest national parks of the European lowland, which stretches from the Atlantic Ocean to the Bug River. The Park was founded on January 19, 1959 in order to protect the remnants of the Kampinos Forest in the old valley of the Vistula River. The current Park area is 36,533 ha, of which 15 % is under strict protection. "

UN organizations
What UN organizations - if any - are hosted in Nairobi? I came across the Vienna International Centre article and saw Nairobi listed as a host for some UN organizations. KyuuA4 19:27, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
 * UNEP and UN-HABITAT have headquarters in Nairobi (mentioned in this article). Also the UN African headquarters is based in Nairobi. Julius Sahara 20:34, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Take a look at UN Office at Nairobi's (UNON) web site for an up-to-date list. (http://www.unon.org/)

Out of Date photos
Please do not post out-of-date (ie. old) photos in this article.

An example is this photo, which is over 10 years old:



—Preceding unsigned comment added by Mkimemia (talk • contribs) 08:57, 19 October 2006
 * Don't forget that it's sometimes difficult to get up-to-date photographs of some things. An old photograph is better than no photograph at all. &mdash; Matt Crypto 08:14, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Pollution
Is pollution a problem in this large developing city? -- Beland 04:15, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Pollution isn't a large problem in Nairobi, as it is in other fast-developing cities. Nairobi is not situated in a valley or bowl, and the city usually has steady winds that blow away pollution, so smog is not a problem. Mkimemia 20:56, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Elevation
Is Nairobi situated at 1660 metres, as stated in the Geography section, or at 1860 metres, as stated in the Climate section? Jbgilm 05:43, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

At Nairobi Railway Station, the plaque reads: Nairobi - 5453ft (above sea level) Mkimemia 19:04, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I think it would be helpful to square the three elevation figures in the article - Geography, Climate and then the summary box on the right. All three have quite widely different figures.

Making Nairobi an A-Class Article
What can be done improve Nairobi from a B-Class to an A-Class article? Mkimemia 19:04, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * This article has improved lately, largely due to your efforts. There is still some work ahead, at least more references are needed. Julius Sahara 19:32, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Comments made by user Alan.ca to make Nairobi a better article:

1. Remove broken/red wikilinks - Done Sunday 10th June 2007 2. Remove px sizing and left placement tags from images - Done Sunday 10th June 2007 3. Implement WP:CITET templates to properly format references. 4. Include more references for stated facts. 5. Consider finding a better skyline picture for the infobox.

Mkimemia 13:49, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Urbanization?
"Crime had risen in Nairobi as a result of urbanization" - this should be substantiated in some way, or the person/s or groups who assert this point should be quoted, as this is a highly simplified and generalised statement which cannot be quantified in such simple terms.

60.241.211.98 04:17, 15 July 2007 (UTC)Katherine

IPA transcription
Is the IPA transcription correct? Isn't the correct IPA just "Nairobi" or have I been pronouncing the name of the city wrong my whole life? -67.85.180.72 22:19, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

No because, for example, the letter 'i' dosent exist in recieved pronounciation. Mkimemia 07:22, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, it does. The RP pronunciation of 'sunny' is ['sʌni], for example. A strict RP rendering would be [nʌɪ'ɹəʊbi], but the Wikipedia convention for transcription of English is not to be so strict. A broad English transcription would be /naɪ'roʊbi/. It might also be good to have a Swahili transcription, as the other official language, and a Maasi one, as that's the origin of the name. Swahili, I understand, lacks diphthongs, so the English pronunciation can't be correct. No idea what the correct one would be, though. And no idea about Maasi, either. Anybody able to improve on this? My one edit has been to change the final 'ɪ' to 'i'. This is definitely correct. A short version of the sound in seek /siːk/, rather than the sound in sick sɪk. This is all discussed in, and supported by this page. --Che Gannarelli (talk) 17:02, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Media or Links?
as one founder of a specific TV station, called "SLUM-TV", which is actually an artistic project, where Mathare Slum dwellers, members of Shootback/MYSA produce and screen their own newsreels, i want to ask if a link would fit, within the Media Section, or as external link. Content produced by SLUM-TV you can watch online too, as content after public screenings is uploaded to http://www.slum-tv.info, to serve and generate an archive of oral history. hope you can help me out, with some practical tips, as i'm quite new to wikipedia. thx Alex slumtv 13:36, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Where is Wilson Airport?
"Wilson Airport is a small, busy airport to the west of Nairobi."

The Wilson Airport page says it is "five kilometres south of Nairobi." Which is correct? 66.234.220.195 (talk) 17:19, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

It's southwest. Editorofthewiki (talk) 14:14, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Old peer review
An old peer review is at.

The Reusing of Certain Info.
In the website http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Nairobi, the part about housing is copied word for word. Was this website used as a source, or did this website copy from Wikipedia? Also, I added a citation, #49, for what was originally a citation needed. Hopefully, someone can delete the citation needed sign from there. 71.184.242.212 (talk) 02:17, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Video gaming

 * In the video game Mario is Missing, Nairobi is featured as one of several areas the player can access. This spawned an internet meme involving a police officer in Nairobi using the rhythmic phrase "You won't find adobe here in Nairobi... but they do have some spectacular hotels".

Does this really belong in the article about Nairobi? It isn't even about video gaming in Nairobi. Shouldn't it only be mentioned in Mario is Missing? 194.100.223.164 (talk) 07:57, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree, this information has no encyclopedical value. Brgds, --R.Schuster (talk) 10:18, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

I've removed this section. --R.Schuster (talk) 16:22, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Introduction
"Nairobi is the most chicken populous city in East Africa, with a current estimated population of about 3 million"

Chicken? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.98.103.225 (talk) 18:53, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * This was vandalism and is already removed. Feel free to remove obvious vandalism by yourself! Thanks, --R.Schuster (talk) 12:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

City's website does not work.
--79.111.174.19 (talk) 12:00, 24 July 2009 (UTC)


 * it's working now. Mandingoesque (talk) 22:04, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Flag
the current flag is not the national flag - mithil, c 7th May, 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.119.90.187 (talk) 00:31, 8 May 2010 (UTC)


 * it's the city flag 22:02, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Education
The "top" schools listed are not referenced. There's no explanation of what they are "top" in. Mandingoesque (talk) 22:17, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello Mandingoesque. You are right, this list violates WP:NPOV; I've removed the sentence. Brgds, --R.Schuster (talk) 16:57, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Population
The article currently says, "The growth rate of Nairobi is currently 4.1%.[58] It is estimated that Nairobi's population will reach 5 million in 2015.[59]"

The first of these links leads to the CIA page for Kenya, where the growth rate of Nairobi is not referenced. It does mention a rate of urbanisation for the whole country, but claims 4%, not 4.1%. It is likely that the 4.1% cited in the article was true in 2005 or 2006, but examination of the entire time series of census data shows the 2011 growth rate to be around 3.5%.

The second link is dead, and seems to refer to a newspaper article. For the city to go from its present 3.1 million to 5 million in 4 years would require an annual growth rate of 12.5%, which is at best implausible. The data clearly suggest that if present trends continue the city's population will not reach 5 million until 2025. I would recommend deleting these two sentences. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.169.131.14 (talk) 17:12, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Matatu
The article states, 'Matatu, which technically means, "three cents for a ride"'. This is incorrect. There is no reference to cents. Literally it means just "for three". The three refers to the most common regularly used coin when this form of transport began in the 1960s, which was the 10c coin. With Kenyan independence in 1963, no 1c coins were produced. So in fact it refers to 3 x 10c coins or 30c, not 3c. Ptilinopus (talk) 01:58, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Nairobians?
Having lived in Nairobi for 16 years and having been back for this last year after 12 years away, I have never heard the term "Nairobians" to refer to those from Nairobi nor, as a scholar for Kenya, have I ever heard this term before. Can anyone confirm that there is any sort of official backing for such a strange designation? ==DOstendorff (talk) 22:04, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Mrs.Allen is in nairobi kenya. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.80.44.242 (talk) 00:45, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Music
This section needs references and edits to be in accordance with POV guidelines.

Some information seems leading and biased:

''Many nightclubs in and around the city have witnessed a growth in the population that exclusively listen to Electronic Dance Music, especially amongst the younger generations. These youth also support many local EDM producers & DJs, such as Jahawi, Mikhail Kuzi, Rikkaz , Lectronica Circle, Kumi and DJ UV.

Some doesn't seem useful as information under that section:

''Many foreign musicians who tour Africa perform in Nairobi. Bob Marley's first-ever visit to Africa started in Nairobi. Acts that have performed in Nairobi include Wyclef Jean, Shaggy, Akon, Sean Paul, Wayne Wonder, Alaine, Ja Rule, and Morgan Heritage, and Cabo Snoop. Other international musicians who have performed in Nairobi include the rocking show by Don Carlos and the Elephant man crew.''

Kisulius (talk) 10:31, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Nairobi is improving — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.206.40.194 (talk) 08:02, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Nairobi is improving
Konza City will make things better, though its in the outskirts of the city. It will surely set new standards for urban development and this will hopefully influence the city's image positively. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.206.40.194 (talk) 08:09, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

its real story???
i think its so real history where in afraica;) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.150.180.253 (talk) 21:04, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

World Renowned Leaders
In 1908, Winston Churchill arrived in Nairobi and wrote a book, "My African Journey."

Nairobi was cleverly built in a treeless windy plain where nearby forests could be preserved for future generations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.141.8.206 (talk) 22:55, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

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Coat of arms
What does the inscription on the coat of arms ("Ushauri kwa Uaminifu") mean in English? Josh (talk) 04:20, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Science
In connection with the word "Kibera", the term "Nubian" is used unscientifically. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.44.255.8 (talk) 15:40, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Timeline of Nairobi
What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 16:05, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Clarification of Paragraph 'Districts and neigbourhoods'
Hey guys,

I have some troubles understanding the 'Districts and neighbourhoods' paragraph of this article. First, it lists several constituencies ("Nairobi is divided into a series of constituencies. These constituencies are: Makadara, Kamukunji, Starehe, Langata, Dagoretti, Westlands, Kasarani, and Embakasi"), but this information is contradictive to the paragraph 'Political divisions' which lists 17 constituencies.

Furthermore, the paragraph lists some of the main 'administrative divisions' of Nairobi. Where are these divisions defined and what purpose do they serve? The source stated is an archived web page of Nairobi City Council, which--to my knowledge--does not exist anymore.

When I checked 'http://www.nairobi.go.ke', the only sub-entities to the City County of Nairobi were sub-counties, which match with the 17 political constituencies and the wards for County Assembly Election. Are the division mentioned in the paragraph still used for administration of the City County or are those divisions just used in peoples daily conversations. Clarification of the paragraph regarding the wording used (constituencies, divisions, locations, villages etc.) would be great.

Thx in advance A. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.3.222.75 (talk) 09:05, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Jonathan Mwangangi Mueke
Could any editors assist in cleaning up the WP:BLP of the Deputy Governor of Nairobi County Jonathan Mwangangi Mueke which appears to be written as an autobiography? AusLondonder (talk) 03:32, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I have tried to eliminate the spam, as far as I could. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.8.180.215 (talk) 15:00, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 April 2016
want to add photos

Kihdrue33 (talk) 11:28, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
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Assessment comment
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Latitude etc.
The latitude and longitude of Nairobi are odd. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.147.175.160 (talk) 15:12, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

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bole michael
their is a large somali entrepreneurial district of addis ababa and it would be nice if their is a section dedicated to it https://uk.reuters.com/article/ethiopia-somalis/coffee-and-controversy-in-little-mogadishu-idUKNOA73347820061027 so far i only found one source about the areas somali community — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sahasu (talk • contribs) 10:26, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

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The town of Nairobi county
I don't know 41.220.235.248 (talk) 18:10, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Again, the Mau Mau Fiction!
''After World War II, continuous expansion of the city angered both the indigenous Maasai and Kikuyu. This led to the Mau Mau Uprising in the 1950s, and the Lancaster House Conferences, which initiated a transition to Kenyan independence in 1963.''

The expansion of Nairobi city had nothing to do with the Mau Mau uprising and the only Maasai that were engaged in the uprising were those Maasai who enlisted in the Kenya Regiment to fight the Mau Mau or, who were already enlisted in the Kings African Rifles. This itself is something of a moot point as the Maasai were not able to operate in the Aberdare Forest Range as they were not suited to the climate. The Mau Mau did not initiate transition to Independent Governance if anything, it delayed it and incidentally, the majority of Mau Mau casualties were inflicted by other Kikuyu (the Kikuyu Home Guard). Both Kenyatta and Moi were harshly critical of the Mau Mau (as were most people of that Age). This only changed when Kibaki and his ilk came along and sought to play up the exploits of the Mau Mau for political advantage both at home and abroad. 2001:8003:70F5:2400:2868:EACF:1147:57A5 (talk) 03:51, 24 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, I would be happy to help you update the article and improve it, but you need a reliable source for the information. If you have that, we can fix the article. Andre🚐 04:47, 24 October 2022 (UTC)