Talk:Never Mind the Buzzcocks

Criticised by Lamarr
"Victims of host Mark Lamarr's attacks include Robbie Williams, Phil Collins, Blue, Westlife, Geri Halliwell, Claire Sweeney, Dido, Patrick Kielty, Sophie Ellis-Bextor and Elton John." Surely there should be some mention of the ever-tortured James Blunt in there?

Agreed - I'll add him to the list. But please sign your posts when yo edit the talk page. --DVD "Cock" Smith 19:37, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Dani Filth
Did that really happen? Was that why he was so incoherent?
 * What's this a reference to? Dani Filth is no longer mentioned in the main wiki page--TimothyJacobson (talk) 07:43, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Athelston
No mention of the regular genius "number 4" Applestone!

The man is so gifted.. all he has to do is appear in the line-ups when the 'has been' is black and just stand there.


 * Err.. Athelston Williams already gets a good big paragraph and a half in the article under identity parade and also a mention in trivia, if you wish to expand any of it, go ahead Foxhill 23:01, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Was Athelston Williams not commonly known as "Number 5", referring to the position he held in the line up when he appeared the first few times?


 * I remember once, when he was not in his regular position, Lamarr introduced him by saying "Number Five: Number Four", thus he'd have started as number four. Then, for comedy reasons, he was kept at no 5--TimothyJacobson (talk) 07:43, 9 January 2009 (UTC)


 * You're muddling him him up with phil zimmerman, the scary face guy. He was number 5. Athelston was originally number 3. 87.243.208.102 (talk) 01:38, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

I've read on a few places on the internet that Athelston died last year. They all say he died of prostate cancer, aged 83. Can anyone find any concrete evidence of this before I post any related info up? --Antster1983 (talk) 00:20, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Article contradicting itself
This article seems to contradict itself, in the intro it states that Marc Lamarr has only taken a break from the show and that Simon Amstel is wrong in claiming he is the new permanant presenter. It then says in the first section that Lamarr has definately left the show permanently. Which is right? --Achmelvic 16:22, 20 December 2006 (UTC)


 * i read it as the article deciding toward the end that mark has left permanently, which is a shame. however, i cant be sure -SleweD 18:02, 7 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Mark stayed on as producer during the series of Guest Hosts. But, for that matter, at the start of the series of Guest Presenters, Amstell said that Bill Bailey was just missing the one series (due to other obligations) then half way through the series, Amstell read out a newspaper quote explaining why Bailey had quit.  Possibly he left during the filming of the series?  Should this be in the main article? --TimothyJacobson (talk) 07:43, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Confusing text
Hi. I've just read this article for the first time and was thrown by the line "and Elton John, who in the 2004 Christmas special he wished had died twice in the same year".

After re-reading it I'm assuming that during the 2004 Christmas special Mark Lamarr said he hoped Elton John would die twice that year. Although I'm sure the comment was funny at the time, I don't think it merits inclusion in this encyclopædic context, particularly with its current confusing syntax. Unless it's rephrased or expanded I believe it should go. ↔ Dennywuh 19:04, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I tried to rephrase it slightly last night what do you think of it now? Agent452 20:33, 23 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Clearer, easier to read. ↔ Dennywuh 10:33, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

172.209.144.4 (talk) 16:27, 22 December 2007 (UTC) In his first appearance as a panelist Mark Lamarr joked that Amstell was "stealing his act". I think this is confusing. It seems to suggest that Mark Lamarr made an appearance as a panelist, but it doesn't mean this, confusingly. Commas really shouldn't be omitted like this! I've rephrased it, as you can see.

"Controversial guests"
Does Donny Tourette (Towers of London) deserve a mention in this section...after all he did walk off for a while and was generally rude plus the smoking thing. Although I'm not sure controversial is the same as being an asshole.

Oh and mentioning walking out didn't Lemmy from motorhead walk out although that was during the reshoots (I'm sure during the Preston episode Phil Jupitus mentions that Lemmy walked out) Agent452 20:31, 23 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi, I added Donny and Amy Winehouse, and wrote a sentence on Lemmy which could probably be improved. Can't really think of anymore... Ciba (talk) 00:26, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * probably original research so I've not added it to the article, but Lamarr mentions Lemmy's walkout in series 5 episode 3, when summing up an intro round which included Ace of Spades. Ukrpickaxe (talk) 04:58, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Didnt Lamar make Gail Porter cry in one episode? Should that be added? Dead-or-Red (talk) 14:44, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't typically edit Wiki at all, but shouldn't "controversial guests" only be people who there was an actual controversy over? Rather than people who were just a bit rude. (I don't know if there has been controversy over any of the people listed, as I don't live in Britain, but it seems unlikely that Donny Tourette qualifies, at least.) Selesen (talk) 01:10, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Continuing guests
Is there a third? I just noticed "Swaying drunk guy" in series 20 episode six. and I'm sure he was in a marl lamarr one as well (Mark tried to get him to walk in a straight line, pretending to be a kebab shop) Agent452 03:17, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Inspector Rock
Inspector Rock was played once in Series 21, but (I think) under a different name (I forget what). Can anyone confirm this? 79.64.76.12 (talk) 21:48, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
 * "Woop-Woop! That's The Sound of Da Police!" -- MISTER ALCOHOL  TC 04:51, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

List of Rounds
As the list of first rounds is rather long and many are now redundant would it perhaos be better to reword the article to reflect this? Perhaps by changing it to currently played rounds or even by creating a new article with a full list? I don't mind doing it just looking for opinions. I'll wait a few days before doing it for opinions etc Agent452 (talk) 16:11, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

This is just a guide, minus the descriptions at the moment but if we make a new article this is what I would like it to look like this Agent452 (talk) 16:11, 7 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Without any objections I'll go ahead and make the changes, however I'm not 100% sure how to sum up the first round as it changes often. Agent452 (talk) 21:06, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Is there any reason why you've removed the "bonus" rounds Amstell has, such as 'Davro or Dennis' etc.? And also you seem to have doubled up one-off rounds and discontinued rounds.--RemoveTomorrow (talk) 02:59, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah there was a reason...I cocked it up it should be fixed now. Agent452 (talk) 12:31, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

The rounds article has existed for a while now and I've been trying to find references for each of the games. However youtube is only so good and time constraints have meant that I can't always find the time to scour them for examples. Can anyone else also have a look at it and attempt to cite the episodes that examples of the games played? ta muchly Agent452 (talk) 22:13, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

We Need New Pictures, So...
...I'll get a picture of Phill Jupitus on the game up soon. -- MISTER ALCOHOL  TC 03:42, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅, on October 10. -- MISTER ALCOHOL  TC 05:39, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Controversial Guests Again
For a guest to be "controversial" we need a secondary source describing them so. A link to a copyright youtube clip (which is in itself a EL policy violation) with additional analysis is simply Original Research. Who has defined this as "controversial", and not just the usual banter that the show is known for? -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 19:42, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Mark Lamarr: he was the one who pioneered it all. Preston was beyond doubt controversial because he walked off the set due to Simon Amstell reading out quotes from his biography. I watched that episode just the other day on TMF and that's what I call "controversial guests". -- MISTER ALCOHOL  TC 05:12, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Surely someone walking out doesn't make them a controversial guest? A controversial guest would be someone who large numbers of people felt shouldn't be on the show. So I guess you could count brand, but not Lemmy or Preston, not being able to take a joke doesn't make you controversial. Pidz (talk) 21:54, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree. This seems to all revolve around a misunderstanding of what a controversial guest is!  Gary Glitter would be another example of a controversial guest, were he to appear on the programme now. Matthew (talk) 23:23, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

The section needs a new name, i dunno what though, or just lose it all together and maybe incorporate some of the info elsewhere in the article. Also, I've just noticed the reference for russell brand's apearance seems to be a forum, surely not a reliable source? I'm gonna assume it's true and leave it for now, but unless anyone knows of a good source it should go. Pidz (talk) 15:56, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Never mind, I found one from Broadcast Now, so I'll leave it for now. Pidz (talk) 16:45, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * If a name is ever decided (I see nothing's changed :-P) there should possibly also be a mention of an as yet unaired episode in which Frankie Boyle (you can tell I'm going to say to add him as an attacker who caused issues with a guest :-)) and Jedward were both in agreement about the fact that he was going to be attacking them, but it was the amount of attacks he did that caused it to be controversial. He was a controversial guest host in this case, and the episode is having to be heavily edited to ensure he doesn't come off as a bully 87.194.86.204 (talk) 17:36, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Would 'Notable Guests' be a better title? —Preceding unsigned comment added by MrMonomaku (talk • contribs) 14:34, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Notable doesn't mean controversial. You can behave controversially while being barely notable. You can be notable and not be controversial in the slightest.  I don't think we can merge the two. -- Escape Orbit  (Talk) 15:42, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Wasn't the problem that 2 of these 3 guests aren't actually controversial, they just walked off? —Preceding unsigned comment added by MrMonomaku (talk • contribs) 11:46, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Bar
Re: The Buzzcocks information bar at the base of the page. Although I don't think the bar itself should be changed, I am not sure whether it should be listed on as many pages. I agree that it should be on the base of the pages of Simon Amstell, Mark Lamarr, Phill Jupitus, Bill Bailey, Sean Hughes & Noel Fielding. However, unless anyone has any serious objections, I will remove it from the base of the pages of Guest Presenters & Guest Team captains; for example although I see that his appearance should be listed on Huey Morgan's page, but the bar implies he was more major to the show (and the show to him) than is probably correct--TimothyJacobson (talk) 07:43, 9 January 2009 (UTC)


 * having not had anyone disagree with my above comment, I shall check: Jonathan Ross, Ricky Wilson, Lauren Laverne, Jeremy Clarkson, Huey Morgan, Dale Winton, Mark Ronson, Stephen Fry, Bob Mortimer, Johnny Vegas, Jon Corden, Jack Dee, Frank Skinner, Davina McCall, Mark Watson, Russel Brand, Dermot O'Leary and Omid Djalili. If the bar is on any of them, I shall remove it.--TimothyJacobson (talk) 16:07, 10 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Done. (Never realised before how many of the above had some link to Big Brother.  Probably a coincidence)--TimothyJacobson (talk) 16:28, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Redirect/merge

 * I think List of rounds in Never Mind the Buzzcocks should be redirected to the main article because with the exception of Zimmerman's website, all the other references are taken from the main article anyway; besides, why would we need an article about rounds of a game show? (Yeah, I know about WP:OTHERSTUFF, but still.)  Erpert  Who is this guy? 08:16, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Done.  Erpert  Who is this guy? 02:26, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Why does Do You Know Who I Am? redirect here?
If you go to Do You Know Who I Am? you end up at this article, but there is nothing in this article that explains the redirection. Is it a round of the game? I think that the redirection should either be explained, improved (by having it redirected to a specific section), or removed. Personally, I have never heard of this game show and so don't have a clue but I also noticed that Do You Know Who I Am redirects to another place and so I put in an "about" template. --Bruce Hall (talk) 06:22, 1 April 2012 (UTC)