Talk:New York metropolitan area

Landmass definition is confusing
The opening paragraphs states that the urban landmass is 12,093 km2, while the table lists it as 8,936 km2. Three supporting external lists (10,11,12) state that first number is the largest urban landmass. Meanwhile the table on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo lists 13,452 km2 (a larger number). I trust there is logic here, can anybody explain this to me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Balenman (talk • contribs) 14:02, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

What?
Apparently, although the New York metro Area contains Pike County, Pennsylvania, the New Jersey Palisades, and other mountainous areas, its highest point is 400 feet up on Staten Island??? The New Jersey Palisades are over 500 feet above sea level in some parts while in Sussex County, NJ and Pike County, PA are over 1,000 feet above sea level. Also, Bald Mountain in New Jersey is 1,000 feet above sea level. 67.82.98.49 (talk) 21:45, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

New York metropolitan area composition


This was discussed years ago, but no consensus on the talk page was achieved. The picture to the left, which is on this article's page, constitutes what I believe to be the New York metropolitan area as it is commonly accepted. NYCRuss  ☎  21:34, 13 June 2010 (UTC)


 * The counties in pink are ones that belong to other metropolitan areas as defined by the Office of Management and Budget. Fairfield County, for example, belongs to the Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk metropolitan statistical area and not to the New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Islands metropolitan statistical area. You are confusing a region composed of multiple metropolitan areas with the New York metropolitan area. --Polaron | Talk 21:38, 13 June 2010 (UTC)


 * It sounds like you are confusing statistical areas with metropolitan areas. The map does represent multiple statistical areas, but it is one metropolitan area.  NYCRuss   ☎  21:44, 13 June 2010 (UTC)


 * And why do you believe that the combined statistical area is a single metropolitan area. You appear to be the one who's confused. --Polaron | Talk 21:46, 13 June 2010 (UTC)


 * This dispute seems very unnecessary. Because there are multiple definitions for "metropolitan area" in general and "New York metropolitan area" in particular, the article should describe and discuss all of the different definitions, rather than choosing one and treating it as the One True Definition. Thus, describe the MSA, the CSA, the New York–Newark, NY–NJ–CT Urbanized Area, the "metropolitan divisions" in the MSA, the DMA, and any other reasonably authoritative definitions that turn up. --Orlady (talk) 23:33, 13 June 2010 (UTC)


 * There is actually "one true definition" in the sense that when the Census Bureau tabulates data for "metropolitan areas", they always use the metropolitan statistical area concept (see for example the State and Metropolitan Area Data Book ). The article should discuss all aspects of the term but we need to decide what concept to use for the infobox. We can't mix data for different concepts in the infobox. Also, there is already an article for the wider multicentric region at Tri-State Region. This article should focus on the immediate commuter sphere. --Polaron | Talk 01:29, 14 June 2010 (UTC)


 * If this article should "focus on the immediate commuter sphere", then it needs to include Fairfield County. NYCRuss   ☎  00:30, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, but not New Haven and Litchfield. In fact, only about of one third of Fairfield is included based on commuting. In any case, the main issue appears to be the infobox as the wider definition is already discussed in the article. For nationwide comparison purposes, only the MSA definition is suitable. CSAs are explicitly mentioned in OMB guidelines as not to be compared with other MSAs. Keep in mind that MSAs are statistical approximations of a metropolitan area and should not be used for geographic boundaries. It is to be used for population/demographic and economic statistics. MSAs geographically overbound in some areas and underbound in others. It should also be noted that Stamford is itself an employment core and is its own separate metro area although most of Stamford's suburbs are also NYC suburbs. Infobox statistics should remain as MSA for comparability purposes. --Polaron | Talk 05:09, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


 * First, this article is called the New York metropolitan area, not the New York metropolitan statistical area. These are clearly different.  The Census Bureau dropped the ball on this one.  They did such a poor job defining the NYC MSA, that other federal agencies are using definitions other than the MSA, regardless of OMB standards.  The NYC MSA definition, quite simply, is wrong and misleading.  To make the case that any county that borders NYC is not part of the metro area, while a distant county in Pennsylvania is included, is simply incredulous.  As Wikipedia is not beholden to OMB standards, there is no reason to be married to it.  This page should primarily focus on the metropolitan area, with the MSA and CSA mentioned as related concepts. The infobox should be modified to focus on the metropolitan area, and possibly also mention the MSA and CSA.  I believe that the RPA's definition of the metropolitan area is the best one available.  As soon as I can locate a source, I'll post it on this page for further consideration.  NYCRuss   ☎  18:27, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


 * "To make the case that any county that borders NYC is not part of the metro area" has nothing to do with how the MSA is defined. It is primarily because a seperate employment core exists around Bridgeport/Stamford, which is why it is separated from the NYC metro area. Note also that the RPA is not strictly speaking a metropolitan area but more of a regional thing that plans for this area composed of adjacent and interacting multiple metropolitan areas. Also, what federal agency doesn't use the MSA when tabulating data for "metropolitan areas"? In the case of the infobox, a specific definition must be used that is comparable to the rest of the country. Otherwise, it might be best to just not have an infobox. --Polaron | Talk 18:59, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I have to agree with NYCRuss on this matter, the article should not be specifically about the statistical area as defined by the OMB. Yes, Stamford/Bridgeport is a core business area, as are Newark, Elizabeth and White Plains to name a few. Polaron, you mention that the infobox needs to be consistent yet, as in examples I have pointed to in my posts at the bottom of this section, other metro areas are including CSA info, and similar debates exist over the strict usage of OMB definitions. I think this is a matter that the infobox, and maybe the overall governance of depicting metro areas, is not clearly addressing how metro areas are perceived by those who live and/or work within them. Can anyone point me to the actual Metro Area Infobox template page, I cannot seem to locate it. dtgriffith  [talk] 00:23, 4 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Then those other articles are using it wrong and we should fix them. At one time I made all the infoboxes uniformly but it's hard to keep up with random people wanting to use the largest possible definition for their own metro areas. As I mention somewhere below, perhaps we should have a regional article and discuss the metropolitan area as one of the nodes of this wider region. As long as it is clear that the metropolitan area population is the MSA population, then there shouls be no problem. --Polaron | Talk 03:21, 4 August 2010 (UTC)


 * My point is the MSA definition seems to miss the boat in more than one instance. Can you please point to the governance/policy that dictates the Metro Area infoboxes need to follow the OMB's MSA definitions? I have not been able to locate the template page, perhaps I am searching for the wrong thing. My concern with two articles – one serving statistical data, the other about the region as perceived by its residents, workers and media market – will only serve to confuse readers, not educate and enlighten them. dtgriffith  [talk] 15:45, 4 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree that this dispute is unnecessary, and I also believe that it is absurd. All commonly understood definitions of the New York metropolitan area include Fairfield County, Connecticut.  Connecticut participates in the MTA.  The RPA defines itself as serving "New York and the surrounding metropolitan region" with Connecticut as part of that area.  I can't even think of one explicit definition (the census definitions are of statistical areas, which are not the same thing) of the New York metropolitan area that excludes all of Connecticut.  We need a next step because apparently we don't have a consensus about whether or not Fairfield County is part of the New York metropolitan area.  NYCRuss   ☎  18:56, 26 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Here are some sources that define the metropolitan area as including part of Connecticut:
 * |U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics New York-New Jersey Information Office Changing Compensation Costs in the New York Metropolitan Area -March 2010
 * | Regional Plan Association (it is in their logo)
 * | U.S. Federal Trade Commission FTC Announces Results of Inspection of New York Metropolitan Area Funeral Homes For Compliance with Consumer Protection Laws
 * The combined statistical area is already discussed in the proper context in the article. Also, there is a separate article for the wider tri-state area as I mentioned above. --Polaron | Talk 00:28, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


 * The combined statistical area includes Connecticut, but you continue to remove it from the infobox. Would you care to explain why?  NYCRuss   ☎  16:34, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


 * If you folks can't resolve this amicably, when there are, at least, official definitions to work from, then I suggest that you never work on any articles about NYC neighborhoods, where there are no useful official definitions. Since there are a multiplicity of different definitions, the article should clearly discuss them and differentiate between them, and not annoint one or the other as THE definition. It may also be that this article and the article on the Tri-State Area need to be merged, as they essentially refer to the same thing. Beyond My Ken (talk) 18:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


 * It has long been common practice to use the MSA definition in metro area infoboxes as that is what is comparable across the U.S. The OMB actually states not to compare CSAs with MSAs. In any case, simply adding Connecticut to the infobox without altering the other parameters leads to an inconsistency. --Polaron | Talk 18:46, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Having spent the first 36 years of my life living in Fairfield County, and the past year one town across the border into New Haven County, the area has been commonly regarded as part of the NYC Metro area for as long as I can remember. MetroNorth Railroad, the job market, broadcast TV and radio networks and newspapers all centered on NYC have always included Fairfield County as part of the metro population. Though this is based more on culture and lifestyle and less on census stats. In Fairfield County going into "The City" would never be mistaken for Bridgeport or Stamford. Perhaps the convergence of this article with Tri-State Region would help this along while calling attention to the cultural and lifestyle aspect versus the stats. Just a thought. dtgriffith (talk) 01:40, 28 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I have reservations about including Litchfield County CT (Hartford area!) and seriously question Ocean County NJ (Philly area!). In any event, there should be no question that Fairfield & New Haven counties CT are in the New York Metro Area. Markvs88 (talk) 15:19, 1 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I think that it is clear that the MSA definition fails to accurately define the NYC metro area. I also agree with the above suggestion that the Tri-State area article should be merged into this article.  Seeing as a definition other than the MSA is needed, we need to discuss options that accurately define the NYC metro area.  For choices, I suggest either the CSA, or the RPA's 31 county coverage area.  Using the RPA as a standard would be out of the norm for Wikipedia, but it would be substantially more accurate than the MSA.  Thoughts?  NYCRuss   ☎  00:16, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree with you on the failure of the MSA definition, though the Metro Area infoboxes are all based on it, so we need to consider consistency in finding a solution. I wonder if there are other metro area pages experiencing similar disputes or discussions based on seemingly wrong definitions – would be worth investigating. I am not that familiar with the sources used for this sort of research, not my area of expertise, so I don't have any other resources to offer up at this point.


 * I have noticed quite a few back-and-forth edits over the inclusion of Connecticut during the past month, which is becoming absurd and not productive. Now that I have been freed from another WIki Project's initiative I will focus some of my efforts to help find a solution to this debate. dtgriffith  [talk] 03:33, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Interesting, I randomly checked three metro areas from the list found on Table of United States Metropolitan Statistical Areas and came across similar debates over the usage of the OMB data. Check out Talk:San Francisco Bay Area, Talk:Chicago metropolitan area and Talk:Greater Houston/Archive 3, each of which has taken different approaches to find resolutions on the article pages. After reading through these Talk pages my sense is that the MSA and CSA should serve as useful but not strict guidelines; that Wikipedia articles should not be strict interpretations of statistical data used by the OMB for their own non-encyclopedic purposes. It's late and I'm fading, I will revisit this subject more over the next few days as I can find time. dtgriffith  [talk] 04:56, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


 * In looking at other metro area pages last night, I found they are not all consistently using the MSA data for the infobox. In fact, both Chicago metropolitan area and San Francisco Bay Area explicitly use CSA data in their infoboxes. Perhaps the problem is the infobox criteria being too reliant on the MSA data and needs to be adjusted to reflect these discrepancies surrounding real life activity and culture. Yes, Stamford, CT is a core business center, but so is nearby White Plains, NY. dtgriffith  [talk] 18:28, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Perhaps, the solution is to have one regional article on the Tri-state area and then discuss the immediate metropolitan area of NYC as the main portion of that region. While White Plains is indeed a separate employment core (as evidence by its being a principal city of the MSA), Stamford is located in a separate urban area. There is technically continuity in the urban area but the length of contact between the Bridgeport-Stamford urban area and New York-Newark urban area is less than the value needed for separation of urban areas so they area separated. Because they are in separate urban areas, they are in separate MSAs. This is all done by an algorithm. One complication in using the CSA is that the use of local opinion will now be disregarded and a 15% employment interchange measure is all that is needed to join a CSA. This means that for the 2010 census, the CSA of New York will now include Hartford because Hartford and Litchfield satisfy the 15% EIM. --Polaron | Talk 19:04, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree, one article addressing these various aspects and nuances makes sense, though we should examine the Metro Area infobox criteria to see how this can be better addressed to satisfy the statistics and the real life perception. As I mentioned above, please point the way to the policy behind the infobox so we can find an amicable solution. I have lived in the region my entire life, and though business/economic stats are important, they play a much lesser role in how the overall area is perceived from within in day-to-day life. dtgriffith  [talk] 15:53, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Just to reinforce what's already been said about confusion, I just reverted someone who changed "Pennsylvania" to "Connecticut" under "states" in the InfoBox. Suppose the reverted editor had come here from Tri-state Area, which defines the New York Tri-State Area as New York, New Jersey and Connecticut: what uninitiated person, especially one who'd read the Tri-state area article, would think of it instead as New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania (the Middle Atlantic or Northern Mid-Atlantic States)? If the article does give a systematically-widening series of Greater New Yorks, it might start with the earliest, the Five Boroughs after consolidation in 1898. That's how I first came here, on an older redirect from Greater New York (which I've since changed into a disambiguation page, since the two senses are almost identically valid, depending on context.) And it might be best to start with the simple, general, descriptive stuff, before showering the reader with all the component counties, urban areas, and metros. —— Shakescene (talk) 04:50, 5 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I guess that uninitiated person would have to be from PA and not the Tri-state area! Mid-Atlantic and Tri-state are two different things.  NYC news never refers to NY as mid-Atlantic, but the do seem to refer to NJ on down as mid-Atlantic and of course never PA since it is not even on the Atlantic!  PA is not even on the map in the NYC area - you don't matter.--
 * The bottom line is that some people in MA, PA and New England as well as northern and eastern parts of CT (who are probably not CT natives) hate CT being in metro NYC. They want to put CT in line with Boston but the facts are that not one part of CT is in a Boston metro region, DMA or anything else.  You people need to sit back, relax and let us be who we are before we break away as has been proposed many times in the past - then you will really be stuck!
 * If people can respect south Jersey as being in a different region, then how come some of you cannot accept that others states get divided into other regions as well? Boston is a long drive from anywhere in CT while NYC is like 10-15 minutes away!  Bottom line is that CT is connected with NYC in every way while PA is not and CT is not connected to Boston at all mainly because of distance.  You cannot make what is not. 99.2.61.172 (talk) 15:35, 13 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Hello again. Connecticut is both a part of the Tri State (no one is saying otherwise, nor talking about Boston except for you) as well as being a part of New England. We've been through this many times before. Best, Markvs88 (talk) 16:05, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

How is Allentown, 40 minutes north of Philadelphia, in the NYC Metro Area? Gorverment made or not, it seems people are trying hard to make NYC seem to have more influence to possibly compete with Toyko, Mexico, London, and other world cities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.229.10.56 (talk) 19:33, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Updating census estimates at New York City
This is a request to those who are more familiar with the relevant metro statistics than I. As I laboriously updated the Citywide census estimates scattered throughout New York City to 1 July 2009, I saw several outdated estimates of the metropolitan area populations. (See also Demographics of New York City.) I could update those metro estimates myself, but it could probably be done more quickly, easily and accurately by those who can recognize which definitions apply (and not invalidating other data based on the 2000 Census or 2007 City & County Data Book), while I finish updating the individual NYC boroughs. —— Shakescene (talk) 03:39, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I am updating the "Principal Cities" section according to 2010 estimates, as this is the latest data set that I could find.--Soulparadox 07:49, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Highest Point in NY Metro Area
It is absolutely wrong that the highest point in the NYC Metro area is located in Alpine NJ. For instance, the highest point in Essex Cty, NJ, is around 700 feet. The highest point in NJ, in Sussex Cty, NJ, is a little over 1800 feet. I am unsure, however, if High Point is considered part of the metro area. Plus, there are portions of PA and upstate NY that are included in the definition. Is metro area defined on the county level, or municipality level? If its the county level, this would be an easy thing to determine. If it is the municipality level, that is a little more complicated.

I can see where the confusion may come from, however. After 9/11, many broadcasters that were located in the WTC located their transmission sites to Alpine, due to its higher-than-average elevation and line-of-site view to NYC. I believe Alpine was always used as a broadcaster site, though. Roodog2k (talk) 13:07, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree. The statistical map shows that Litchfield County, Connecticut is included in the metro area, which would mean that Mount Frissell at 2,454 feet is in it too. Though I'm sure there are higher peaks in Duchess County, New York or thereabouts. Best, Markvs88 (talk) 15:08, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I didn't even realize that about CT! Very interesting.  So, that may be a candidate, but again, is Metro Area defined by county, municipality, or worse by Census designated place, especially since we may be talking about places in BFE?Roodog2k (talk) 16:58, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

11,842 sq mi
I assume it's for the combined statistical area, but is the 11,842 sq mi give for the CSA or the MSA? If it is for the CSA, perhaps that should be made more clear by stating that exactly, and then we also need to have the MSA land area printed probably in both the beginning of the page and in the infor box. See how it's done for Metro Detroit where the populations and areas are listed for the urbanized area measurement, the MSA, and the CSA. --Criticalthinker (talk) 10:38, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Perspective New York Metropolitan Area compared to New York State Population
Might it be sensible to give readers a perspective on the New York Metropolitan Statistical Area by contrasting it with the population of the entire State of New York. The content here states the population of the New York Statistical Area is 18,897,109 as of the 2010 census while the same census gives the figure of 19,378,102 as the population of the State of New York. It givers a certain perspective to show that the population in the area being referenced in this article which includes parts of other states is according to the data only 480,993 shy of the population of the whole of New York State. Tomandzeke (talk) 14:17, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Named bridges and tunnels
It seems that the list of crossings in the metro area has grown substantially which has me concerned. The crossings that go within the five boroughs of New York should definitely be listed, but others (such as the Driscoll, Bear Mountain, Newark Bay, and Pulaski skyway bridges) should be omitted. My issue is that if all major bridges in the NY metro area are to be listed, then we might as well add the Basilone Bridge, the Scudder Falls Bridge, the Trenton-Morrisville Bridge, the William A. Stickel Memorial Bridge, the Newburgh-Beacon Bridge, and the Edison Bridge (part of US 9 in NJ).

It just becomes too cluttered.

But when you look at the Delaware Valley crossing list, it only lists the bridges crossing the Delaware River. To be fair, there aren't that many bridges in the Philly area, but notice how the Girard Point Bridge (which is the double-decker bridge of I-95) is not listed, nor is the Vine Street Expressway Bridge (part of I 676); they are both crucial arteries.

Since the NY Metro area is so large, it's going to be a problem if we list EVERY single "major" bridge. I think we should have some kind of criteria as to which bridges should be listed.

I propose that at least, the crossings within the five boroughs should be listed. What other kinds of criteria should be considered?

Also, I see that there is execessive detail about the crossings, especially future improvements, historic landmark bridges, or the busiest/widest bridges. That kind of information is suited for a another article, but should definitely be removed from this "list."

Any thoughts? Mlaurenti (talk) 15:22, 25 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your input. However, these are my thoughts:
 * First of all, this is definitely not simply a list. Pertinent details like widest, longest, or busiest in the world or on a continent are huge, as are planned billion or multibillion dollar improvements, which unless you actually create an entirely new article titled, "Named bridges and tunnels in the New York metropolitan area", will never get their duly detailed mention. Pertinent details improve the article and educate the reader looking for info, and bridges and tunnels comprise a more integral part of the very identity of the New York area's transportation network than any other metro on the planet.
 * Secondly, as far as the other bridges you have just mentioned, by all means, please do add them!!! (Or when I get time, I'll get to them as well.) There were only six more, but even if there were 10 or 15 more (as we still need named bridges from Connecticut and Long Island to be mentioned), this group wouldn't be as long as the group of highways detailed above, which itself is incomplete. Speaking of which, that bunch itself includes the Garden State Parkway, the Taconic State Parkway, the Merritt Parkway, etc., which do not connect to New York City itself. So then how could it make any sense to leave out the Newark Bay Bridge, Pulaski Skyway, Driscoll Bridge, etc. ?
 * Finally, to compare the New York metropolitan area article to the Delaware Valley article is invalid. That article needs to be upgraded - rather than downgrading this article to a more remedial level.
 * Castncoot (talk) 12:18, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

The Merritt Parkway does go directly into NYC, just not Manhattan. Anyone living along the border knows that the Hutch and Merritt are the same thing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.211.201.227 (talk) 21:09, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

History
For experts (and non-experts alike) in the history of the New York metropolitan area, your help would be greatly appreciated in expanding, citing, cleaning up, and overall upgrading this section. In addition, the historical detail about the area outside of the New York City boroughs themselves is pathetically sparse. Some detail about the second-tier (after NYC) cities in the metro area (including Newark, Jersey City, Yonkers, Bridgeport, and Paterson, for example) would be great. Thank you!!! Castncoot (talk) 13:28, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

amusement parks
so, how about coney island — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.255.101.107 (talk) 05:32, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Lehigh Valley
I am a lifelong resident of the Lehigh Valley and was surprised to see it engulfed in the Greater NYC CMSA definition when I did not suspect it possible for at least another decade. This occurred due to an unpublished rule change by the Federal Office of Management and Budget, which oversees the Census Bureau. The only metric used in combination is employment interchange between the MSA's and the old rule was automatic combination for at least 25% and consultation with the Congressional delegation for 15-25%, with the highest number taking it if sufficient levels exist in more than one way. The change made it automatic at 15%, which may be too low. I am using the opportunity to inform the largest possible audience of what exists in the Lehigh Valley, while not wanting the third-largest metro area of PA to be regarded as mere suburbs of something larger. This is an important area in its own right and must act as such to compete commercially. Heff01 (talk) 06:50, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

For many who actually call the Greater NYC area home, Dorney Park & Wildwater Kingdom has been the first exposure to the Lehigh Valley. I am in the process of adding LV information as appropriate in the article as designed. Heff01 (talk) 06:56, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

I added Allentown and Bethlehem to the infobox as important cities of Greater NYC only to find them deleted the next day. Allentown is the CSA's tenth-largest city and I would greatly appreciate it being allowed to remain there as long as it remains within the CSA defintion. I have also added climate data for Lehigh Valley International Airport. Heff01 (talk) 06:05, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

I have added Stroudsburg, PA and Morristown and Toms River, NJ to the climate section to make it more representative of such a large area as this. Why does my browser show my four climate additions open and hide the older boxes? Heff01 (talk) 03:40, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

In the 2010 census an increasing percentage of 7.4 of Pennsylvanians lived in the NYC CSA. The greatest population growth by far in Pennsylvania is in this eastern region of five counties. It resulted in a new State Senate seat (the 40th.) Heff01 (talk) 20:00, 18 February 2014 (UTC)


 * It seems as if you guys can't get enough of NYC and want to be included in our region. Well - you are not.  You guys are annoying.  You want to include yourselves in an area that you are not in, while the other annoying region of Boston keeps trying to stake claims on CT, even though Boston is no where near CT.  Just stick to where you are...  Oh yeah - unlike NJ and CT, PA roads are not directly connected to NYC, nor is there a commuter train system either.  Stick to Philly - it's yours. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.211.201.227 (talk) 18:53, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

PA? Why the False Additions?
Listen, since this article was created, I have noticed that even more PA counties have been included. These are false. PA is not a part of metro NYC. The ONLY county that you could throw in there is Pike County, and that is only because of TV market. This place is called the "Tri-state area" for a reason - it includes NY, NJ and CT. PA is not on the list because they areas. No matter how close it is to NJ, it does not put it in metro NYC.

This is pure fantasy about PA being in metro NYC. PA may WANT to be in in it, but they are not. PA has it's own major cities which is one of the reasons they are not in metro NYC. PA also has it's own Tri-state area down in the Philly region. What's next - adding Ohio and the whole of New York State? The Baltimore metro does not extend into Philly's metro area - which it easily could, so why do certain peoples keep trying to extend PA into NYC's metro area? The map is false and the inclusion of PA is false. PA is not even on the east coast for that matter.

I am revising the article to reflect reality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:558:6017:A2:8B1:BB00:9524:92B7 (talk) 18:59, 24 May 2014 (UTC)


 * →I Totally Agree, PA should never be included in any New York MSA or CSA. Pike County is a shaky addition as well — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.228.85.64 (talk) 16:15, 17 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, who added PA, let alone FIVE counties? This is news to us here in the NY/NJ/CT TRI-STATE area!  I have lived in South Jersey and I have been in and out of Philly and looking at Philly news, they claim those Northeastern PA counties that this article lists as a part of metro NYC.  This is all-out BS.  Yes, the Poconos sell cheap homes to New Yorkers and so many peoples from metro NYC move out there, but they are not metro NYC.  People should come here to get the facts, not the hopes and dreams of propaganda editors.  This is why Wikipedia cannot be trusted for facts.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.211.201.227 (talk) 18:48, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Protection edit request on 25 August 2015
To avoid "wrong" edits — 73.47.37.131 (talk) 20:41, 25 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Padlock-dash2.svg Not done: requests for increases to the page protection level should be made at Requests for page protection. Stickee (talk) 00:07, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

the single largest in North America.
I think Mexico City, Mexico has a larger metro area? Boilingorangejuice (talk) 22:49, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Theme parks
I am new to editing Wikipedia. I added to the "Theme Parks" section of this NY Metro article because it seems the historic Cyclone is as worthy of mention as a future (and as yet unbuilt) Ferris Wheel. I do not understand why this edit was removed. Please explain.

Thank you.

Picky-Picasso (talk) 07:00, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Is there a contradiction?
The article says that the region includes "five counties in northeastern Pennsylvania," but the map only shows one county in Pennsylvania. Carlo (talk) 04:10, 11 August 2016 (UTC)


 * The problem is, it does NOT include five counties in PA. Do you think NYC news has time to cover NYC/NYS/NJ/CT AND PA news?  PA has it's own regions and Philly is it's anchor city.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.211.201.227 (talk) 18:50, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Religion
This user Castncoot is a world-class vandal and this user considers that reliable information about religion should not be included in the article.

The 2014 Pew Religious Landscape Survey showed the religious makeup of the New York City metro area was as follows: — Preceding unsigned comment added by ControlCorV (talk • contribs) 02:38, 24 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Please get a table which also subdivides Judaism, Islam, and Hinduism into their various intricate denominations and which does not classify "Non-Christian faiths" or "Other Non-Christian faiths." That I believe could be considered for inclusion. Castncoot (talk) 16:47, 25 October 2016 (UTC)


 * OK, by now you may have seen the parallel discussion on the Talk:New York page and the agreement reached there. It entailed eliminating the totally unnecessary "Non-Christian" label and consolidating Christian denominations with less than 2% into "Other Christian" to keep the table within reasonable length. Castncoot (talk) 13:16, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
 * This is what it the application of that algorithm would look like when extrapolated to the table on this page:

Castncoot (talk) 13:16, 26 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Will implement as such. Castncoot (talk) 13:16, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Workover
I'm thinking about doing a long-term workover on this page, with Phase I being a massive image overhaul. If nobody minds, I will be adding, removing and reorganizing the numerous photographs and media files on a large scale. If anyone has any concerns, please message me here! UNSC Luke 1021 (talk) 14:15, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

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NYC CSA
This should be NYC CSA, not the MSA. Check all metros in Census Bureau, and you'll see that your thing is wrong, NYC Russ18:02, 18 July 2017 (UTC)18:02, 18 July 2017 (UTC)18:02, 18 July 2017 (UTC)174.44.65.34 (talk)


 * The definition of the CSA was updated in 2018. I have modified the Definitions area, but not the rest of the page.  It does not include the Allentown-Bethlehem-Easton MSA, so I think the Lehigh Valley information should be removed.  Only Pike and Monroe counties in PA are part of the CSA.DevinMcC (talk) 23:18, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Which city
See Talk:New York for a discussion which affects this page. Andrewa (talk) 22:14, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 8 August 2017

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Not moved. No such user (talk) 09:21, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

New York metropolitan area → New York Combined Statistical Area – The following reason was given by User:Manualy20: "NY Metro does not contain Ulster, Orange, Dutchess, Monroe, Leigh, Warren, Mercer, New Haven, Litchfield and Northhampton counties. It's the CSA which has this all." He moved it without discussion, so I am putting a discussion here. epicgenius (talk) 00:18, 8 August 2017 (UTC) Hey! You called me Manialy20. Thats not my username. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manualy20 (talk • contribs) 01:42, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose unless there is consensus that the article should be split, especially the Definitions sections, listing both the MSA and CSA. As of now, this appears to be a merged article discussing both. And currently both NYC Metro Area and New York Combined Statistical Area redirect here. I have also noted that Manialy20 attempted to remove this content with a false edit summary.Zzyzx11 (talk) 03:32, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
 * And is now blocked for trolling, socking and incompetence. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:34, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose Power~enwiki (talk) 02:38, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose The New York metropolitan area when generically mentioned as such allows for the most liberal interpretation and therefore contains it all. Castncoot (talk) 03:07, 12 August 2017 (UTC)


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Small Edit Suggestion
Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) is named in the main body as a short and explained, but in the introduction above the 'Contents Table' it comes out of nowhere, as someone unknown with this subject I wondered what I was reading about. Thx all for your insight though. Jasperwillem (talk) 01:53, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

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"New York–Newark" vs "New York–Newark–Bridgeport"
Are these used interchangably when naming the combined statistical area? I found a couple sources where both names are used without explanation. In the article, Bridgeport is only included in the name in the infobox. Languorrises (talk) 16:47, 10 March 2018 (UTC)


 * This article covers several statistical areas, with redirects for each, including New York-Newark, NY-NJ-CT-PA CSA and New York-Newark-Bridgeport, NY-NJ-CT-PA CSA, among others. I would think the preferred alternate name in the infobox would be the one with the greatest geographical extent covered in the article. Ibadibam (talk) 18:43, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Rename to Greater New York
Greater New York is a common name for the metro area. Therefore I’m requesting that this page be moved to Greater New York. MetricSupporter89 (talk) 04:00, 6 February 2019 (UTC)


 * If you're serious, you'll need to present a better case than "a common name", and use the WP:RM process to start an official requested move discussion. Dicklyon (talk) 04:04, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

It’s because of how calling a metro area by using the term “Greater” would be a lot better than just saying metropolitan area as that can be sometimes “boring”. MetricSupporter89 (talk) 04:32, 4 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Do go on... Dicklyon (talk) 06:18, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Article Needs to be Updated
The new definitions remove the Allentown MSA from the NYC CSA, so the article needs to be updated accordingly. 173.54.199.86 (talk) 17:35, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Goofy sentence needs subject-matter expert to correct.
This sentence in the proposal section is incomprehensible:
 * >Within the State of New York, discussions have emerged of not succeeded the New York-portion to a separate state but rather splitting the states into different regions, with separate governors and legislators whilst remaining part of the state.

Rickcolosimo (talk) 17:27, 2 November 2019 (UTC) Rick Colosimo

Interactive map is broken, lacks information
The first item below the main sidebar is an interactive map. It is broken. The map is default centered on lat/long (0,0) and even if you pan and zoom to the NYMA, nothing besides the political and road maps of the area is shown. No boundaries, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saxshoe (talk • contribs) 19:04, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

10th-largest or 8th?
Wikipedia's own page says it's 8th.

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Major Issues
I updated the maps in the infobox, but this article still has major issues; this is not the New York City CSA but this article uses them interchangeably. This article is on the Metro Area specifically, but it mentions counties and cities outside of the metro area as if they are a part of it, when they are only a part of the CSA. This needs to be clarified because it is highly misleading and inaccurate. For maps of the MSA, MSA Divisions , and CSA. Bill Williams 01:05, 19 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Some other metro articles have subsections on the CSA specifically, which is what I think this article needs. Currently many things need to be removed or clarified regarding the MSA vs CSA. Bill Williams 01:10, 19 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Dutchess and Orange counties both get commuter rail to NYC via Metro North and are basically in the process of being integrated into the metro area proper. They're probably worth a mention here imo. SwordofStorms (talk) 19:32, 27 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Those counties are both part of the CSA but not the MSA. Almost no other article on a metro area is this vague and confusing by conflating MSA and CSA throughout. They should at least be distinguished in the article, instead of being stated as if they are the same thing. Bill Williams 19:38, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Map incorrect?
After the intro mentions the CT cities that are included in the NYC metro area, the map does not show any part of CT as being in the metro area. 69.113.89.168 (talk) 19:56, 7 January 2022 (UTC)


 * That is because the intro is flawed, and I do not want to have to edit the entire article to fix it. This article mistakenly throws the term metro area around in an inaccurate manner, referring to the CSA as the metro area (MSA) when they are two different things. Connecticut has parts of the New York CSA but not the MSA. Bill Williams 04:41, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Image tag removed but nothing fixed
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PIA25527: Map of New York City Subsidence and Uplift
Here is JPL's Photojournal of PIA25527: Map of New York City Subsidence and Uplift. Rjluna2 (talk) 18:15, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Ny metro vs toyko metro economies
both articles state that the respective metro economies are the largest in the world. This obviously can't be true. Can someone determine which is largest and update both articles to reflect this. 2A02:8084:6A81:3380:92C:2561:7D79:880F (talk) 21:02, 17 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Here's the problem: if reliable sources say the same thing about both metro areas, then there's no case to be made here. As incoherent as it is, we're not here to determine what is "true" -we simply state what reliable sources say. If reliable sources say something seemingly absurd, that's what we say in the article.
 * So, the best way to make a case to straighten this out is to gather and present sources. Jonathan f1 (talk) 04:32, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Recreating the map image in SVG
Moving with the times, I will be recreating - and eventually replacing within the article - this image with an SVG equivalent. The current version serves the purpose, but is awfully inferior for the high resolution screens we have nowadays. Great job for a 2005 map, though.

If anyone has any suggestions (for example, differentiating the NY MSA and CSA) please reply here. Rishabh Tatiraju (talk) 23:27, 4 January 2024 (UTC)


 * New York Metropolitan Area Counties.svg Map has been recreated. See thumbnail. Rishabh Tatiraju (talk) 00:46, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Correction needs to be made -- Pike County is no longer included in the NYC MSA and needs to be removed. 170.85.72.88 (talk) 20:09, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Any official sources? Currently using https://censusreporter.org/profiles/31000US35620-new-york-newark-jersey-city-ny-nj-pa-metro-area/. I'll be removing Mercer as per the above source. Rishabh Tatiraju (talk) 02:44, 19 July 2024 (UTC)