Talk:North American donkeys

No American breeds?
Rather curious why the "there are no breeds" slam in this article using a biased Eurocentric source from 1972. There were NO EQUINES at all in North America prior to the Age of Exploration. So obviously, all breeds derived from European ones. But that doesn't make them a non-breed. Montanabw (talk) 23:01, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, the source may be biased and/or Eurocentric or indeed raw blithering twaddle from start to finish, I wouldn't know, I haven't seen it. But the Government of Alberta seems to think it worth citing, so I've done the same. The fact that North American donkeys are classified by size and not by ancestry is repeated in innumerable sources, including the page of the American Donkey and Mule Society, the Donkey and Mule Society of New Zealand, the International Museum of the Horse and so on. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 01:11, 13 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm mostly amused. Anything Italian that is three generations crossbred in someone's backyard is a "breed," while anything bred in America for 400 years isn't.   Montanabw (talk) 00:30, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I've cleaned the language up to say that some sources suggest no formal N.Am. breeds, which we have a source for, and that there are in fact breed registries, which we also have sources for. Next. — SMcCandlish    Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿ ¤ þ  Contrib.  17:28, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Move?
This article was moved without discussion to Donkeys in North America. I've moved it back, as it deals only with North American donkeys, not any donkey that happens to be in that continent. However, I think it has been suggested somewhere that the title "North American donkey" should be changed. If so, I suggest making an ordinary move request so that such a move can be discussed and a consensus reached. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 12:40, 13 March 2012 (UTC)


 * There is no such "breed" as a "North American donkey." There are donkeys in North America.  The whole article is OR with the title it has.  But if you insist, put in a move request to bring in a bunch of people to discuss this endlessly.  I'm not going to engage here.   Montanabw (talk) 16:48, 13 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I am immensely amused. I don't think I've ever made a content edit to this article, yet you title one edit summary " (remove unreferenced and frankly laughable OR; Europe lies to the east of the USA) (undo)"  You apparently found your own edit "frankly laughable OR."   Montanabw (talk) 16:58, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Enjoy the laugh! That particular piece of comedy was placed here by User:SMcCandlish. Perhaps he could explain what European settlements in the west of the USA had donkeys that later moved eastwards, and perhaps explain how he thinks they got there? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:27, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I've moved it back to donkeys in North America, the kind of title that is clearly required by WP:V, WP:NOR, WP:NPOV, WP:AT and WP:DAB. There's no such thing as "the North American donkey" as a discrete entity, so that was clearly a blatantly misleading title. It still exists as a redirect. — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿ ¤ þ  Contrib.  17:28, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I see that this conversation is quite old, but anyway.... I think this page should probably be renamed "Donkeys in the United States".  Note that as it is, the first sentence (0.1% of donkeys are in North America) is very inaccurate; the table in the cited paper appears to say that, but only because the row for "North America" excludes Mexico, which has about 8% of the world's donkeys and is covered under "Latin America" in a higher row.  This page is already almost entirely about donkeys in the U.S., and the vast majority of North American donkeys donkeys in North America are in Mexico, and probably any information about how donkeys are classified in Mexico would fit better at the main Donkey page.  Anyway, I figured I'd mention it here before doing anything, given the apparently somewhat controversial history. Danstronger (talk) 04:43, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I seem to have missed this. I'd have spoken up against it if I'd seen it. This page is supposed to be about the donkeys of the United States and Canada – the area normally referred to as "North America", in fact, as Mexico is usually considered a part of "Central America". Unless there's opposition here, I plan to move it yet again, to "North American donkeys" – as before, it's not about all donkeys in North America but only those that originate there; "North America" doesn't (normally) include Mexico, and a whatnot would help to clarify that; and "North American donkeys" is plural, so does not attempt to establish a "discrete entity". Does that make any sense? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:37, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

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Proposed merge with American Mammoth Jackstock
While the Mammoth Jack has a considerable amount of history, it is still no more than a size breed, distinguished from other North American donkeys only by its height. It is already covered in more detail in this article than in the separate page. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:19, 29 June 2019 (UTC)


 * The problem is this: The "Mammoth Jack" is known across America, no one says "North American donkey." Also note it has its own breed society and so on.  To me, the North American donkey article is an overview-- it includes minis, burros, etc.   So on this one, I must say no.   Montanabw (talk) 02:26, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Closing, given the uncontested objection and no support. Klbrain (talk) 07:50, 2 May 2020 (UTC)