Talk:Ottoman Empire

Double Dates?
I see some editors are putting double dates in their edits- specifically, the Hijri year calendar. Is this against the Wikipedia rules of standard formatting, or is double dates in isolation (aka, in that specific line but nowhere else) fine?

The prime example I'm referring to is the second map of the Ottoman Empire in the infobox, below which has a description that refers to the Islamic Hijri calendar as well as the standard Western calendar date.

Crazynyancat (talk) 12:49 PM 4 June 2021 (PST)

who is who?
Who is the Ottoman Caliph? who is the Sultan? who is the "sadr Azam" (prime minister)? who is the Pasha (Badishah)?

Ottoman government is very unclear on its power structure!

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Semi-protected edit request on 22 April 2024
ottoman empire is poopoo Fennalfennan123 (talk) 06:46, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.  (talk | contribs) 06:52, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Global History, 1500-Present
— Assignment last updated by Lavenderluvr12 (talk) 22:41, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Insane amount of text more subheadings and remove text.
Re.ove text has to be pared down from reading. 64.189.18.39 (talk) 07:21, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Article issues and classification

 * This article has multiple issues that apparently has just been ignored or maybe not addresses since content was incrementally added. The article is of interest to an amazing (to me) Twenty-seven WikiProjects.
 * I have reassessed the article on the reasoning that it does not pass the B-class criteria.

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 * "Unsourced statements" from June 2011, "Failed verification" from September 2016, "citation needed" from July 2021, and "better sources needed" from April 2022. Article with "dead external links" from May 2024
 * There are other issues. Please see the "Section sizes" and the Anchor tag at the top of this page.

Relative B-class criteria

 * #1)- The article is suitably referenced, with inline citations. It has reliable sources, and any important or controversial material which is likely to be challenged is cited. While the article currently shows to have 314 references there are areas where unsourced content has been contested and some content (fifth paragraph of the "Rise (c. 1299–1453)" subsection) that should not need six references. There are large amounts of unsourced content, sentences as well as subsections like "Cuisine" and "Sports", as well as unsourced content added (from one to several sentences) after a reference.
 * #2)- The article reasonably covers the topic, and does not contain obvious omissions or inaccuracies. Inaccuracies are hard to ascertain when so much material is unsourced.
 * 4)- The article is reasonably well-written. Aside from having unsourced and apparently under sourced material it is hard to judge "reasonably well-written" when the article suffers from being severely bloated (read the "See also" section) with
 * a)- "Excessive detail",
 * b)- "Irrelevant content that is better placed in a different article" (or just cut down), and
 * 3)- very possibly "Trivial content". Of particular relevant interest would be Scope, What Wikipedia is not, and Too long; didn't read.

Bloat

 * Aside from the enormous article bloat it extends to the optional appendices.
 * The "See also" section has eleven entries.
 * The "Further reading" section is enormously bloated. Under the heading is . All of these sections should contain minimum "summary" only content.
 * The "Further reading" section has the the unusual "General surveys" subsection with twenty-three entries, the "Early Ottomans" subsection with three entries, the "Diplomatic and military" subsection with twenty-one entries, the "Specialty studies" subsection with eleven entries, and the "Historiography" subsection with thirteen entries. Along with the four entries in the External links this is a total of an astounding 75 links. While possibly not a Wikipedia record the appendices seem to attempt to redefine "bloated".
 * The External links section follows the policies and guidelines of the External links.

External links solution

 * Lacking any local editor's involvement I will cut the "External links" section down to 3 or maybe 4 entries. The rationale for trimming (with dynamite) would be:


 * ELpoints #3) states: Links in the "External links" section should be kept to a minimum. A lack of external links or a small number of external links is not a reason to add external links.
 * LINKFARM states: There is nothing wrong with adding one or more useful content-relevant links to the external links section of an article; however, excessive lists can dwarf articles and detract from the purpose of Wikipedia. On articles about topics with many fansites, for example, including a link to one major fansite may be appropriate.
 * ELMIN: Minimize the number of links. --
 * ELCITE: Do not use cite web or other citation templates in the External links section. Citation templates are permitted in the Further reading section.
 * WP:ELBURDEN: Disputed links should be excluded by default unless and until there is a consensus to include them. This is indicative of a fact that maintenance of the section (trimming) is not subject to BRD but concerns, comments, or other actions, should be post talk page discussion.
 * Normally I would just trim excessive links as uncontested maintenance and possibly move them here for any possible discussions, however, at this time I will just post the comments and see if anyone responds. Thanks in advance for any possible help. -- Otr500 (talk) 16:14, 7 June 2024 (UTC)