Talk:Pakistan People's Party

name
One problem is that the official name of the party does not have an apostrophe after "people". &mdash;iFaqeer (Talk to me!) 19:52, Feb 14, 2005 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it was the first thing I noticed when I saw the article. I will move the page to Pakistan Peoples Party and have the links point there. Hulleye 07:51, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Ok, done... and i think i didn't leave any double redirects behind. Anyone wanna try and confirm that? Hulleye 08:15, 19 October 2005 (UTC)


 * So now we know that "The Pakistan People's Party (PPP) is a mainstream political party in Pakistan." But what do they stand for? What are their ideals? Are they right wingers of left wingers?

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Neutrality
Comparison with other parties has no citations. 222.225.2.39 16:31, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Sourcing
Apple Pie, I think it's great that you're from Pakistan and, if so, you could be a very valuable asset to Wikipedia; we don't have a lot of folks from that part of the world editing, and can certainly use more. However, when you insert statements into articles, especially when they are potentially controversial or derogatory, you must, must, must have a source to back you up. If you are so familiar with Pakistan, you ought to be able to come up with a source critical of the PPP. I honestly hope you find one and post something here. I will even help you find one, if one is out there, if you want help. Sound fair? IronDuke 00:11, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Pakistan Peoples Party (Shaheed Bhutto Group)
The Pakistan Peoples Party (Shaheed Bhutto Group) (PPP-SB) is mentioned in the following articles Ishaq Khan Khakwani Ghinwa Bhutto Shaheed Bhutto presumably refers to the founder of PPP Shaheed (martyr) Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto. Is PPP-SB a separate faction to PPP or should references to it redirect to this article? I see that Pakistan People's Party (S) did split away from the PPP and appears on List of political parties in Pakistan. In this article I have put Pakistan People's Party (S) under section: See also and PPP-SB might be put there if a separate article is warranted for it. --User:Brenont (talk) 19:29, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Pakistan People's Party (Shaheed Bhutto) is a completly separate party. See, --Soman (talk) 10:27, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

cleanup and more info
This article is embarrassingly short. I would add more if I knew anything, but it needs to be cleaned up and expanded. --Alex Kozak (talk) 05:04, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Name in Urdu
The Urdu name of the party should be spelled out in the Roman alphabet as well as in the Urdu script. Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 03:03, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


 * But the Urdu name itself (Pākistān Pīpalz Pārṭī) is just a transliteration of the English name. ― Ö S M A N (talk · contribs) 05:54, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Material for expansion
from Ethnicity and Politics in Pakistan: --Soman (talk) 14:17, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * During the PPP government tenure employement of Sindhis in public sector jobs increased somewhat. However, many were purged from the positions during the rule of Pervez Musharraf.
 * PPP won an overwhelming majority in the 1977 election. However, it was defeated by the opposition Pakistan National Alliance in the non-Sindhi majority urban area of Sindh.
 * Ahead of the 1988 election, PPP and MQM an alliance based on a pragmatic need to avoid Sindhi-Mojahir confrontation. The alliance did not last long however.
 * MQM broke its alliance with PPP in 1990.
 * [Relating to PPP under Zulfikar Ali Bhutto]: Leadership of PPP based in rural Sindh.

Zulfikar Ali Bhutto and Benazir Bhutto remained controversial leaders during their life times. However one sees and is impressed by the the courage of both Father and Daughter that they were able to captain the ship which was Pakistan through its most difficult periods. The rough seas of dismemberment of Pakistan and then the post Zia period was surely a daunting task for both the father and the daughter respectively. A country which in both eras was coming out of War one being the 1971 war and the other being the Afghan war against Russia. Only the Bhuttos could rightly steer this ship to its shores. The Bhuttos both ZA and Benazir were very strong fighters who had a lot of courage, dignity and super human endurance and also a sharp intellectual calibre unseen since the days of Jinnah. In the quagmire of half witted political and intellectual leaders the Bhuttos Shine out like a North Star in the Darkness of their respective eras. Surely a tonic for Pakistan. It is a pitty that Pakistan lost both of them to unnatural deaths. May the Allah the AlMighty rest their souls in Peace. Truly they were great leaders who followed the greatest of them all Jinnah. Such Faith and Character can only be seen when their is grace from the Lord of the worlds.

Alli Hhussain Mazari —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rojhan79 (talk • contribs) 22:26, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

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POV issues
In this article, and most prominently in the ideology-related sections, it appears that some hard-left, POV-pushing editor has been given free reins. Look at this paragraph, for example:

''Since then, the Peoples Party has been a leading proponent of democratic socialism with mainstream agenda of social democracy, favouring the semi-secular and semi-Islamic socialist principles. Historically, the Peoples Party favoured the financially stable farmers, industrial labour unions and the middle class elements. The Peoples Party rejected far-left politics and ultra-leftism, supporting unregulated business and finance, laissez-faire capitalism, which caused it to cease being a socialist or social-democratic or even anywhere near the left-of-centre as its economic policies swung dramatically to the right-wing, embracing economic neoliberalism and unfettered capitalism and privatisation of publicly owned institutions, and favoured partial income taxes.''

To me, it looks like the first part of that was written by a neutral editor, while the last part was hijacked by a POV-pusher, lashing out against the PPP's alleged rightward shift. Mentioning a rightward shift is perfectly fine if that is indeed what has happened, but the wording of this paragraph, and others, is unacceptable. Adding an issues tag until this is fixed.

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Requested move 23 May 2022

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 (talk) 19:51, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Pakistan Peoples Party → Pakistan People's Party – Grammatically correct punctuation, also apparently more popular in sources. —&#8288;&#8202;&#8288;BarrelProof (talk) 17:27, 23 May 2022 (UTC) 13:01, 18 November 2007 DerHexer talk contribs block deleted page Talk:Pakistan People's Party (unnecessary redirect) 07:58, 19 October 2005 Hulleye talk contribs block moved page Talk:Pakistan People's Party to Talk:Pakistan Peoples Party (The official title of the PPP is Pakistan Peoples Party without the apostrophe.) There has also been an attempted cut-and-paste move to Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP). But it appears that the more common name in English is as proposed, with the apostrophe (arguably in an ungrammatical place but that is irrelevant), and hopefully this will lead to stability. Andrewa (talk) 09:38, 31 May 2022 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Re: "arguably in an ungrammatical place but that is irrelevant" – how is that arguably ungrammatical? —&#8288;&#8202;&#8288;BarrelProof (talk) 04:48, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Showiecz (talk) 20:47, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Support: Very messy. From the history of Talk:Pakistan People's Party

Urdu name
Could someone who speaks urdu add a romanized transliteration of the urdu name? It is strange that this is lacking after all these years! Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 18:35, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Raja Liaqat Hayat - Publicity Secretary PPP 1972-1976 Karachi
Raja Liaqat Hayat, a prominent name during the PPP era of 70s. He was born in 1949, Jehlum, Pakistan. He did his early education in Karachi from Sindh Madras tul Islam School, then got his Degree in Applied Physics from DG science college Karachi.

His political journey started while working in a pharmaceutical company, where he became voice for the workers during an on going union trial in City court. There onwards, he become popular within local political scene and soon was called upon by an emerging political leader Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto. After a brief meeting followed by a corner meeting in SITE area Karachi, Raja Liaqat Hayat formally accepted ZA Bhutto as his leader and joined Pakistan Peoples Party. He was known as one of the most dedicated and knowledgeable activist, due to his popularity he became close to Sattar Gabol ( Labour Minister ) & Abdullah Shah ( Law Minister ). During PPP first tenure of Government, Raja Liaqat Hayat was awarded the position of Publicity Secretary,  for his devotion & public relations. Aftermath of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto execution was so devastating for him, that he left politics for good and doing so left the country for 4 years. He came back in 1982 and joined a Publicity Agency, which later become the biggest Advertising Company of Pakistan Lead by  late Mr. S.H Hashmi. Raja liaqat Hayat in his later life was regarded as the pioneer of Advertising among his peers. He passed away peacefully on 11th July 2017. Leaving behind a Son, two Daughters and his beloved Wife. Mrbest1978 (talk) 22:17, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Bilawal a promise
I have always been a nonpartisan. That said, Bilawal has recently showed enormous promise in a country which always had dearth of leadership. I hope and pray that he is able to reorganize PPP and make it once again a nationwide party. He appears to be a sound parliamentarian at such a young age. I hope he brings democracy within the party itself and ends its dynastic culture after his term as future PM of the country. He is very competent and is always well prepared for his role in the national and international affairs. I hope and pray that he becomes an examplry parliamentarian and ends the filthy culture of using unparliamentary language against opponents which is rampant for many years in our beloved country. Bilawal must understand that leadership means making sacrifices in personal life, living up to the public trust and putting the national interest far above the personal considerations. I hope Pakistan gets rid of hackneyed politicians and young people like Bilawal take the lead to take Pakistan towards a promising future. I must also admit that I had serious reservations when he was made PPP Chairperson after the assassination of BB. It is very encouraging to see that he has made enormous progress in recent years both as a politician and parliamentarian. 203.175.73.119 (talk) 17:27, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

پیپلز پارٹی مردہ باد 2404:3100:1407:BD1E:1:0:9434:DA7B (talk) 15:41, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Adding "Islamic democracy" in the ideology part of "Infobox"
Hi since few days I've been trying to add an info I thought would be innocuous/uncontroversial, that of "Islamic democracy" in the "Ideology" part of the Infobox (you can see the recent "edit wars"). I quoted the source despite the fact that it's well known that the party has been favouring this ideology since its very foundation till today. But apparently a communist has a problem with this basic fact (probably the religious reference?) and somehow threatened a ban for me as I kept "pushing it". So I'm wondering if more neutral administrators could look into the matter as I'm myself too invested and now at risk. Thanks.
 * Semi-protection-unlocked.svg Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 00:42, 3 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi I think I've been misunderstood : I know that I can edit as an anonymous account, but I've had an "edit war" with some moderator with apparently communist leanings who has a problem with any reference to religion, I presume, so I was wondering if a third party (that I'd like to be more neutral) could see if my edit was that controversial, especially as it was sourced and that Benazir Bhutto is found in the Wikipedia category "Islamic democracy activists", thanks. 2A02:A03F:64ED:2600:B167:7D27:1B08:1ED1 (talk) 18:39, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * In that case, can you please provide a reliable source to support this edit? Please keep in mind that this article is about the political party, not about the individual, as the editor who reverted your edits mentioned. ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me!  19:33, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi copy pasting a previous comment as I had no response :
 * "(...) the late Benazir Bhutto is the one who defined the party's latest ideology (unlike her husband or now son), and her last book was literally about Islamic democracy (please refer to the said replies), also you can see references to Islamic democracy in the PPP's main article tons of times, and also on the PPP's official website, where we read :
 * "Islam is our Faith. Democracy is our Politics. Socialism is our Economy.
 * All Power to the People. Martyrdom Is Our Path."
 * http://pppdigital.org/about-ppp/
 * Thanks 2A02:A03F:64ED:2600:B167:7D27:1B08:1ED1 (talk) 17:52, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -Lemonaka‎  21:10, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi as I said to the communist moderator in my replies, the late Benazir Bhutto is the one who defined the party's latest ideology (unlike her husband or now son), and her last book was literally about Islamic democracy (please refer to the said replies), also you can see references to Islamic democracy in the PPP's main article tons of times, and also on the PPP's official website, where we read :
 * "Islam is our Faith. Democracy is our Politics. Socialism is our Economy.
 * All Power to the People. Martyrdom Is Our Path."
 * About PPP – PPP Digital
 * As I said this was pretty uncontroversial until a communist moderator had a problem with any sort of religious referencing for quite obvious reasons.
 * Thanks. 2A02:A03F:64ED:2600:D1C9:8056:5089:9497 (talk) 05:59, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. Also please be WP:CIVIL and WP:No personal attacks like name calling.  —  Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  06:07, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: To reiterate, consensus must be established before reactivating this request. Pinchme123 (talk) 05:11, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Arrow
PPP's symbol is sword, not arrow. It is per ECP. Panam2014 (talk) 12:17, 8 February 2024 (UTC)