Talk:Pedra Branca dispute

Why no straightforward solution?
Considering the smallish size of these rock islands, wouldn't it be simpler to just blow them up with a few hundred tons of TNT and get rid of the problem forever, rather then dragging a decades long legal dispute? If the islands are erased nobody has to gain or lose anything and creating conventional explosions up to 4 kilotons is a fairly easy job nowadays. 91.83.15.197 (talk) 22:18, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Support. Alfons Åberg (talk) 00:35, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Talk pages aren't meant for discussing matters like this, but one brief answer is that it is of benefit to have sovereignty over any island as it extends a country's territorial waters. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 01:20, 28 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Support. While on a more serious note, I agree with Jacklee, I still think in real life those little pebbles should be blown up. LOL! InfernoXV (talk) 16:29, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm too serious for my own good... :-) — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 18:38, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Alternate way not to violate copyright.
Rather than take the photo of the lighthouse without written permission from the Singapore government, why not just provide a link at the end of the article?

Violations of copyright can be undetected in low traffic articles, but this article is on the main page. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 20:43, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

merge with Middle Rocks?
There is an article about the Middle Rocks involved in this dispute. There does not appear to be any notable claim of significance about the Middle Rocks except for the role they played in the Pedra Branca dispute, so I propose merging that article into this one. —Tim Pierce (talk) 17:51, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * On the other hand, there was a previous decision that "Pedra Branca dispute" should not be part of "Pedra Branca, Singapore", and it was therefore spun off into a separate article: see "Talk:Pedra Branca, Singapore/2008 archive". Both articles were subsequently expanded. It is possible that "Middle Rocks" might similarly be expanded, in which case perhaps it should not be merged into "Pedra Branca dispute". — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 20:10, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * What's the basis for supposing that Middle Rocks might be expanded at some point? Do we know of additional information about the rocks that has not yet been tapped? —Tim Pierce (talk) 05:19, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Offhand I don't, but then I didn't think there would be a lot of information about Pedra Branca either until I started looking for it. (Not that I'm offering in this case ... :-)) — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 05:57, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure, if someone does come up with more independent information on the Middle Rocks then it shouldn't be merged. I'm suggesting that if no one can, then they should be. —Tim Pierce (talk) 21:50, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I guess I have no objection to that. I'd suggest, though, that you wait a month or so before proceeding. In connection with this, have you placed a notice on the talk page of the "Middle Rocks" article inviting editors to join this discussion? You might ruffle a few (Malaysian) feathers if you suddenly merge the contents of that article into "Pedra Branca dispute" without sufficient warning. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 07:49, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I added a mergeto notice to the Middle Rocks article page; do you think it should go on the talk page as well? I see that I neglected to add merge from on Pedra Branca dispute. I'll fix that now. —Tim Pierce (talk) 12:20, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * No need to put a separate mergeto on the talk page, I think, but maybe just put a message alerting readers to this discussion. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 09:18, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Middle Rocks is a geographic location article, with coordinates and other geographic data; the islands are notable because they were some of the islands involved in this dispute. This one is a historical article, that involves other islands besides Middle rocks. The merge would only make a confusing article out of two articles that are fine on their own.  All the best, --Jorge Stolfi (talk) 08:19, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, I think we don't have a consensus at this time for a merge. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 15:55, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Lead too long
According to WP:LEAD, the lead section should be no more than four paragraphs. 175.156.242.240 (talk) 02:54, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * WP:LEAD says the lead should "ideally contain no more than four paragraphs" which means that this is not a hard and fast rule – in fact, WP:LEADLENGTH states that this is "not [an] absolute rule". The article is in excess of 100,000 characters, so a longer summary is not unreasonable. However, if you wish to try and summarize the article in three or four paragraphs, do go ahead. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 09:08, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

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But Why?
I came to the article to find out something common in other articles about border disputes: Why did anyone CARE? Is there any NPOV article or reference that explains why the dispute arose and what either side was wanting to accomplish? For instance, are the waters around Pedra Branca rich fisheries? Is there a resource like petroleum or mineral wealth? Was this just a "my territory is bigger than yours" squabble? I cannot imagine that they spent decades fighting because they wanted to control who flips the switch in the lighthouse.... then again... User:Kevin.159.53 posted without login from 159.53.46.140 (talk) 17:44, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Control the land, and you control the surrounding waters. See Strait of Malacca Zhanzhao (talk) 23:22, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

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