Talk:Peter Beinart

Dangerous bulge
I'm against deletion, as I've said on the project page, and thanks to CinnamonA12 the article was for a time of a reasonable size. But now the "Works and views" section is swelling again to what I think are unsustainable proportions. Unless Beinart can be prevailed on to cut it down to a more appropriate size I'm going to go in and slash it.Sartoresartus (talk) 08:40, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Ok, this entry is now slightly longer than Churchill's. I'll revert to a reasonable earlier version and appeal to subsequent editors to please, please show some sense of proportion. This is not a massively important person. He's a minor hack with some mildly interesting views, please don't be so childish. Sartoresartus (talk) 15:23, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Nominate this article for deletion
I am nominating this article for deletion In present form it is not an encyclopedia article but advertisement starting with announcement of the new coming book by Mr. Beinart and information about agencies that handle his speaking engagements. Wikipedia is not a place to make money using it as a free advertisement. Information about Mr. Beinart's publication is full of adulation while his publications were ALSO critisized or dismissed as not important. I am afraid the article is written by Mr. Beinart himself or some of his associates. This article contains too many details insignificant for general reader but important for self promotion of Beinart's resume. Outside and impartial author will not know or will not bring these details to Wikipedia. User CinnamonA12 CinnamonA12 11:26, 3 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by CinnamonA12 (talk • contribs) (CinnamonA12 11:22, 3 June 2010 (UTC)) 22:59, 2 June 2010 (UTC) CinnamonA12 11:25, 3 June 2010 (UTC) CinnamonA12 11:34, 3 June 2010 (UTC)


 * The solution to the problems you note is to reword or rewrite the article (though I have already extracted the worst of it), not to delete the entire article. Beinart is a notable figure who should have an article here.  This nomination for deletion is not helping and is yet again malformed in that it is incomplete.  I suggest you remove it and try to fix the article text instead. Interwebs (talk) 12:13, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

To Interwebs. You did nothing to improve this article making it from advertisementn to encyclopedia article. Your "improvements" were cosmetic. You even did not remove information about agencies that handle Beinart's speaking engagements. Notable figure is not reason for self advertisement on Wikipedia. We have to adhere to strong encyclopedia standards otherwise Wikipedia will not have respect. Sartoresartus also sees this article as self-promotion. Look randomly at Wikipedia articles about much more known journalist than Beinart. Their articles much more informative but do not aim at self-promotion. For example, David Gergen, Andrew Sulliwan, David Brooks to start with. No announcements about their speaking agencies, no self-congratulary list "Notable credit(s)" under their pictures. How many Nobel laureates have in Wikipedia a list with such self-promoting title? No one!!! Cinnamon A12. CinnamonA12 12:57, 3 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by CinnamonA12 (talk • contribs)


 * These are the changes I made . Notice that I did extract the names of the agencies, for example.  Again, if you have a problem with the article, fix it. Interwebs (talk) 13:59, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

I deleted lists of Beinart's articles and interviews. Even much more well known journalists do not have such lists although their articles and interview attract much more attention of media than those of Beinart's. Their portfolios are much larger of course than output of Mr. Beinart and if they will place on Wikipedia such lists it can take dozens if not hundreds of pages. No one of Mr. Beinart's articles or interview was a media extraordinary event. Mr. Beinart is definitely uses Wikipeida as a substitute for his personal web site. CinnamonA12CinnamonA12 12:27, 4 June 2010 (UTC) I deleted congratulatory depiction of Beinart's first book. The praises which article cited were from publisher's promotional package of this book. The dust covers of every book published in our days has such lists of generic praises. The book was not on bestsellers list and attracted very meager public attention. Democratic presidential campaign of 2008 went to direction opposite to one advocated by Mr. Beinart. Now this book is well forgotten. I move to the end of the article information about Beinart's coming second book. Wikipeida is not a self advertisement site to publish information about this book at the beginning of the article to market this book. CinnamonA12.CinnamonA12 14:21, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Now you're getting somewhere. I think your changes have generally improved the article. Interwebs (talk) 14:24, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

To Interwebs. Thank you for your opinion. I deleted data that is irrelevant for encyclopedia article but belongs to the self-advertisement and self-promotion resume. Cinnamon A12.CinnamonA12 22:00, 4 June 2010 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by CinnamonA12 (talk • contribs)

I deleted The Week magazine named him columnist of the year for 2004." The Week's annual nomination of its  "columnist of the year" is a very minor event.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by CinnamonA12 (talk• contribs) 23:07, 4 June 2010 (UTC)  Cinnamon A12CinnamonA12 01:47, 5 June 2010 (UTC) Deleted repetitious information.CinnamonA12CinnamonA12 04:23, 5 June 2010 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by CinnamonA12 (talk • contribs)

Brought to the article some new information related to Beinart's editorship of the New Republic from Wikipeida article about The New Republic. Deleted some unimportant information to restore some sense of proportion as was recommended by the Wiki user Sartoresartus. CinnamonA12 (CinnamonA12 13:07, 5 June 2010 (UTC))  —Preceding unsigned comment added by CinnamonA12 (talk • contribs)

Deleted portrait. Mr. Beinart is not so important journalist or political author to have his portrait in Wikipedia. His articles are not syndicated, which would be a sign of professional achievement in media. How many leading political scientists have their articles in Wikipedia at all? Hs first book is pretty forgotten, it sold now on Amazon for 1 cent per copy. Mr. Beinart is only at beginning of his career and we have to keep sense of proportion in encyclopedia articles how much text and pictures we can give to the biographies. CinnamonA12. (CinnamonA12 11:11, 6 June 2010 (UTC)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by CinnamonA12 (talk • (contribs)

I do not understand. I signed my editing by typng (CinnamonA12 13:06, 6 June 2010 (UTC)) but it said that my editing is not signed. CinnamonA12 CinnamonA12 13:06, 6 June 2010 (UTC)


 * You sign a post by typing four tildes ( ~ ). It imprints both your name and a timestamp like the one you see at the end of my comments.  Deleting the infobox and the photograph are taking things a bit far.  Wikipedia strives to have photographs of article subjects in essentially every article, regardless of your sense of the importance of the subject.  Other journalists and political scientists likely do not have photographs because there are not many freely licensed photos of those persons available.  Generally, though, if a subject is notable enough to have a wikipedia article, the preference is to illustrate the article with photos if possible. Interwebs (talk) 13:14, 6 June 2010 (UTC)


 * To Interwebs. I did not know Wiki's portrait's policy. In the traditional encyclopedias the pictures as a rule given to the most prominent individuals but I see Wiki's logic. Cinnamona12

Deleted information about Marshall scholarship. I am sure that many Rhodes scholars got options of other scholarships besides ebut they do not said about it in their Wiki's self authored biographies as Beinart did. This information is not for an encyclopedia but for a job application. CinnamonA12 ( ~ ).

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NPOV
see the Fox News liberal talk page

Council On Foreign Relations
Shouldn't his Council on Foreign Relations activities be on here as well? It is a very highly respected organization and he has been actively participating for some time.

All I had to do was watch one interview of this guy on TV and it was easy to guess that he went to Yale, was a Rhodes Scholar and was in the CFR. It is remarkable to see how many of the so called liberal folks who were actively promoting war and increasing reliance on international institutions have this background.

If you were some sort of conspiracy nut you'd guess he was in the CIA like Anderson Cooper.

Release date
The article had the book coming out on June 1. Today, May 31, I purchased a copy at a regular old bookstore. I put up a crude placeholder until a more accurate date can be displayed. --BDD 22:20, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Amazon has it coming out tomorrow (june 1).  Oh well.  It will all be moot tomorrow anyway. -  Jersyko &middot;talk 22:24, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

What's your problem?
Has What's Your Problem been canceled? They were weekly until they did the one about Obama, and suddenly stopped running it. The last episode wasn't even the last in the series they filmed that day-- the third simply wasn't shown and I haven't heard anything about it. Wellspring (talk) 16:13, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Show some sense of proportion
Since this is a largely self-written entry, can you please show some sense of proportion? Cut this down to more appropriate size given a realistic assessment of the subject's notability, take out the excessively hyperlinked waffle that can't possibly be of interest to readers other than the subject himself, and slash the number of links at the bottom to the absolute minimum. This is an encyclopedia, not a self-promotion contest. If I do it it's likely to be done quite insensitively, so you might want to do it yourself. Thanks.Sartoresartus (talk) 04:01, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Excellent condensed version
Thank you. Crisp and to the point. Wish more editors had such good sense.Sartoresartus (talk) 13:24, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

COI tag
Could the user that put this tag please explain why you believe this page was created for pay? I see the tag referenced november 2020 - was there an investigation of some sort that I might have missed? BrxBrx(talk)(please reply with BrxBrx ) 06:14, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


 * I have deleted it. I wrote parts of the section about Beinart's works and views and I certainly didn't get paid for it. Im The IP  (talk) 10:59, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Self-published blog
Recently a self-published blog has been used as a source on this article. Please see Wikipedia's policy here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Reliable_sources. Dhawk790 (talk) 12:47, 23 November 2021 (UTC)