Talk:Phineas and Ferb season 4

Infobox/Tables
Can we perhaps make the BG color of the infobox and tables slightly less obnoxious? --VictorLucas 22:53, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Story writers
Please stop removing the story writers. If you take a look at Phineas and Ferb (season 1), Phineas and Ferb (season 2) and Phineas and Ferb (season 3), all of them list all of the writers including the story writers and storyboard artists. To wipe them all out is simply saying they are not essential, when they are extremely essential. Plus, edit warring never solved anything. It just created more problems. Also, I'd say it's a pretty big deal that Damon Lindelof, the co-creator of Lost, contributed to an upcoming episode. - Jasonbres (talk) 12:42, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Season 5
According to Xfinity TV Go and my Xfinity cable box, Phineas and Ferb is on Season 5. For example, Phineas and Ferb: Star Wars shows up as Season 5, Episode 13. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.48.223.23 (talk) 15:57, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * That is inaccurate. The show is still airing its fourth season. - Jasonbres (talk) 16:23, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, and Phineas and Ferb might not get a Season 5, because no Disney Channel/Disney XD show has ever gotten renewed for a fifth season. - EvilLair (talk) 18:48, 24 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Phineas and Ferb Season 5 is coming in April 2015 on Disney Channel and Disney XD.when-will.net/cartoons/254-when-is-phineas-and-ferb-season-5-coming-out-release-date-2015.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjovel (talk • contribs) 01:48, 11 December 2014 (UTC)


 * The reference provided is incomplete. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:22, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Episode Numbering
I changed the episode numbering to the correct one. Using "A" and "B" and putting them in production order makes no sense. The Futon Critic shows episodes individually. That's one of the most reliable sources in the TV wikiproject. Jasonbres has been making them up, which is original research. Dcbanners (talk) 15:02, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
 * On the contrary, putting "a" and "b" makes perfect sense. That's how the episodes appear on iTunes and everywhere else. Plus, it is common knowledge that two eleven minute segments are equal to one full-length 22-minute episode. That's how it works with almost every single animated show, be it SpongeBob, or Powerpuiff Girls, or Rocko, or Wander, or even Phineas. Also, if we keep edit warring, we will both get blocked, so please knock it off and talk like a civilized person. - Jasonbres (talk) 15:38, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Also, The Futon Critic is not really a good source since it is a tertiary source that compiles news from other sources. A more reliable source would be either Disney Channel Media Net or Disney XD Media Net. - Jasonbres (talk) 15:50, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The Medianet websites show each episode individually. "A" and "B" ordering makes no sense because it implies that they are a two-part special. Per various talk page discussions, episodes only are paired if they air on the same day. Dcbanners (talk) 16:32, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia prefers usage of secondary or tertiary sources rather than primary sources. Also, see Talk:List of Fish Hooks episodes. Dcbanners (talk) 16:33, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
 * If you wanted to change it so that each episode is 11 minutes than make them all 11 minutes. 22 & 44 minute episodes also count as 1 so this is not an explanation. 68.205.75.58 (talk) 01:16, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Each episode is an individual one. Dcbanners (talk) 01:21, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Can we put both numberings? Will it work? 68.205.75.58 (talk) 01:30, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * No. Pairing episodes makes no sense because it implies that they are two parts of one. The episode guides show each one individually. Dcbanners (talk) 04:16, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Where did you get the production numbers from anyway? They are most likely original research, which is prohibited. Dcbanners (talk) 04:20, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Let's leave the page the way it is for now. I did not put the episode in production # order. Counting each episode individually makes sense but they usually are on TV paired. I think we should put both numberings. 68.205.75.58 (talk) 13:41, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * No it doesn't. Stop edit warring or you will get blocked. Dcbanners (talk) 14:30, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * You are making big changes. I won't keep on taking you numbers off. They make sense. I don't want this to be an edit war. I just don't want the paired numbers to be taken away. You may not understand them but other people do. I'll put both numberings next time. If you take them off and we both get blocked and you think about how you tried to stop the edit war so far you have done nothing. If you take them of even tough I left yours on then how are you going to stop the edit war. If you don't we'll just have to see what the other users do. 68.205.75.58 (talk) 19:57, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I became a user and put something in my sandbox to give you an idea of what I'm trying to say. I am not sure how I'm going to do it so I did it the same way as in the series overview. This is just to give you an idea Chasbo123 (talk) 03:25, 10 November 2014 (UTC)


 * FOR THE LAST TIME, EACH EPISODE IS PRODUCED AND AIRED INDIVIDUALLY!!! That's how animated series articles are numbered, and how they appear in other episode guides. Please stop edit warring or you'll get blocked. Dcbanners (talk) 20:03, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
 * YOU CAN SAY THAT ALL YOU WANT BUT IT DOSN'T CHANGE THAT THEY AIR ON TV PAIRED!!! I have seen that on many animated series!! That is how they are numbered BUT if you want to change the rules DO IT RIGHT!! If you want to change the length of episodes because you can't be wrong CHANGE IT RIGHT!! Think about how the episodes air on TV! DO THEY AIR SEPRETLY??!!Chasbo123 (talk) 05:08, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
 * STOP IT! THATS IT, I AM REPORTING YOU TO AN ADMIN! FOR THE LAST TIME, EACH EPISODE IS INDIVIDUAL. THAT'S HOW THEY ARE LIKE ON ALL OTHER ARTICLES. I WILL NOT TELL YOU AGAIN!!!!! Dcbanners (talk) 20:04, 11 November 2014 (UTC)


 * If you hate a and b so much so now, who cares how they air on TV. Who cares how it is on other articles. Who cares what the right way to number it. Who cares how anyone else would do it. You are the most important user and if we can't get that it is right to block us because you are wrong. Let's see what the admins think. Thank you for reporting yourself. Their will be no more a & b. Maybe. Let's see Chasbo123 (talk) 02:28, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree. Episodes are paired. That is how they air on TV. Your numbers don't make any sense. Why shouldn't I revert. H''' H (Talk) 01:15, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Episodes are only paired if they air on the same day. See Talk:List of Fish Hooks episodes. Dcbanners (talk) 11:39, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Fish Hooks may have the wrong numbers and I will fix that but first I will fix this. It seems the only user wanting this is you but I am the third user saying no. You started an edit war by putting in some made up numbers. I am reverting. H''' H (Talk) 13:29, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Episodes aren't "only paired if they air on the same day", they're only paired if they always air that way, like Rugrats. In most situations that's not the case. If they're aired separately, or even paired with different episodes, as at Fish Hooks, they should be listed as individual episodes. I disgree with Jasonbres' assertion regarding the Futon Critic. That website reproduces the press releases issue by the networs, which are authoritative. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 13:57, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Unless they are part of the same episode (per Aussie's example of Rugrats), or they were literally merged by the creative team (ala Smallville's Absolute Justice), then they should be separate. Airing on the same day does not automatically denote that they are the same and should be paired. Many shows have doubled up airings of episodes in the past (and will continue to do so in the future). Sometimes it is down because they know they are getting cancelled and they are rushing episodes out, sometimes it is to fill empty slots left by other shows that cannot air for whatever reason. So, unless they are is a reliable source actually saying they are the same episode then they need to be separated. As for ordering, we place them in the order in which they air, NOT the order of production. Again, production order is irrelevant as many shows will film an episode in one particular order and change it for broadcasting (example, Smallville filmed its 8th episode as the 2nd episode, but it was pushed back because they had so many changes to the script and other filming issues. We don't list it as the 2nd episode, because it didn't air in that order.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  14:16, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I notice another issue: fabricated production codes. If two eps were paired, and the entire episode was called "number 402", then both carts should be numbered 402. We've got these Frankenstein numbering systems all over articles where we're taking the actual production code, 402, and appending As and Bs based on which cart aired first, and effectively creating new production codes. It's like answering the question, "what are Ashley and Mary-Kate Olsen's birthdates?" and returning: "June 13, 1986A, June 13, 1986B". Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:58, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * This pairing episodes stuff makes no sense because the order they were paired is completely different from the actual production codes given by The Futon Critic. Dcbanners (talk) 20:16, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The episodes should be paired. They used to be paired and then you suddenly change them. They didn't stop airing paired. They still air paired. They just aren't paired on Wikipedia. Changing the numbers is not only a huge step in the wrong direction but your numbers make 0 sense. If you want to make the episodes not counted with a and b then do it with numbers that make sense. H''' H (Talk) 02:29, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Why do the changes made by Dcbanners make no sense? Are individual episodes always paired with the same episode or does the pairing change? -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 06:50, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * His numbers don't make sense because 1 episode counts as 1 and the next 4 count as 1. This just proves that anybody can edit Wikipedia articles so they make no sense. Chasbo123 (talk) 13:25, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Your response does not adequately explain why the numbering makes no sense. It seems to be supported by reliable sources and other experienced editors have explained why we don't pair episodes. That you disagree is no excuse for edit warring and I have now requested protection of the relevant pages. I've warned both you at Hits hits on your talk pages for edit-warring and if you persist I will have no option but to take this to the appropriate noticeboard. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 14:30, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


 * No pairing - Episode pairing doesn't make any sense to me unless it can be demonstrated that the episodes aired back to back, and that they were both wrapped up with an opening credit sequence at the front of one, and a closing sequence at the end of the other, with nothing in between. This is how most paired cartoons air. If each cart is wrapped in an opening and closing sequence, then it would seem to me they were intended to air alone. (This may create a discrepancy between the number of episodes we see in an episode list, and pick-up announcements. That is, we might read "Phineas and Ferb was picked up for an additional 26 episodes", but then have a list of 52 unique carts.)  I might think it reasonable to yield on my no pairing position, if it could be demonstrated that subsequent to the original airing, Disney started airing paired carts consistently. That is, episode X always airs with episode Y in reruns, and/or the two are paired as one episode on the DVD, that might suggest they were intended to be one episode.  Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:44, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

The episode numbering makes no sense. Why were these edits made. These are disruptive edits. You made some episodes count twice while others count half. You kept some episodes the same. I don't get why anyone would support these edits 99.45.241.236 (talk) 00:43, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * My main problem is that you can clearly tell that you are doing it wrong. Let's start the beginning. Season 1: 26 to 46 episodes. 26x2=52 so where did you get the 46 from Chasbo123 (talk) 01:21, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * What do you mean "26 to 46 episodes"? There are 47 episodes listed. The paired version makes no sense, numbering 1a, 2b, 3b, 2a, 4b, 4a, 1b, 5b etc. Somehow, out of 47 episodes, or what some refer to as "segments" this arrives at a final episode of 26b. With only 46 segments the final episode should be 24a. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 02:41, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I know why there are only 47

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,21,22,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,39,40,41,42,43,44,44,45,45,46,47 H''' H (Talk) 03:51, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * This makes more sense H''' H (Talk) 03:39, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * For anyone as confused by Hits hits' post as I was, he has two each of 21, 22, 39, 44 and 45. I don't know what that is supposed to represent, as the episode list only shows 47 episodes, with no duplications. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 05:04, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * What? Hits hits' numbering makes even less sense than the previous one. Why are there two of the same number? Are they one-hour specials? Even if they are, they generally are still one episode. Dcbanners (talk) 11:36, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * No half hour episodes count as 2 because each episode is 15 minutes (now). The half hour episodes counted as one are represented by the duplicates. Did you even look at the link? H''' H (Talk)
 * That is the exact reason it does not make sense. It is making it harder for people to find information and it just proves that anyone can vandalize Wikipedia and not have it reverted Chasbo123 (talk) 13:05, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Half hour episodes don't count as two episodes unless they are aired as two episodes. If there is one set of credits there is one episode. It's really not rocket science. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 13:43, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree with AussieLegend. I don't know why we are still arguing over this. It's simple, one episode is one episode. Dcbanners (talk) 20:31, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The numbering used to make sense. Now it's weird and confusing. Please fix this. 107.72.164.26 (talk) 21:36, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I believe the reason you're still arguing is because your numbers are weird and confusing. 107.72.164.26 (talk) 21:36, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Please explain why my numbers are "weird and confusing". Dcbanners (talk) 22:20, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Like user HH said 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,21,22,22,23,23... plus the episodes should be paired. 107.72.164.26 (talk) 22:47, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't know what you mean by "Like user HH said 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,21,22,22,23,23... plus the episodes should be paired". Please explain WHY your numbering is better. Dcbanners (talk) 22:54, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I mean that episodes should be counted by length like they were before. There should be 52 episodes in season 1 like he sad. 107.145.98.13 (talk) 23:06, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

I don't think this conversation is going anywhere. If the users who want the episodes to be paired are not capable of expressing their positions coherently, then we should wrap up the discussion and move on. There's too much to do at the project than to have to spend time decoding people's responses. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 23:03, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree with closing the discussion. Users are either just saying things without reason, or repeating previous statements. Dcbanners (talk) 23:07, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I heard someone talking about Wikipedia and I told him about this he thought I was making something up. When he saw this not only did he stop using Wikipedia but he sent out an email to all his contacts about this. Silly edit wars like this give Wikipedia bad publicity. You can see that they are paired. It's that simple. Practically everyone knows that. If you close this discussion I can garentee you a new one will be created. 107.145.98.13 (talk) 23:25, 21 November 2014 (UTC)


 * And this common knowledge that the episodes are paired, is based on what, exactly? Show us the reliable source upon which you are deriving this information, please. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 23:27, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Look at the article sources or on your TV guide 107.145.98.13 (talk) 23:37, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * TV guides are not appropriate sources. Every reliable source I could find lists them individually. Dcbanners (talk) 23:43, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Really. Show me 5 sources listing the individually. 107.145.98.13 (talk) 00:21, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Here they are:
 * The Futon Critic
 * Zap2it
 * MSN
 * TV Guide
 * Various cable providers
 * Dcbanners (talk) 00:30, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Here is something to laugh about. Your original source, The Futon Critic has the episodes numbered with a and b. I couldn't find the list on Zap2it. The new version of MSN makes it impossible to find anything. You have the TV guide. I don't know what you mean by various cable providers. Please give links next time. Chasbo123 (talk) 03:34, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Zap2it shows the episodes individually. The Futon Critic pairs them only when they air together. Those are also the production codes. They have no point here. Dcbanners (talk) 13:35, 22 November 2014 (UTC)


 * We should close this discussion now. Its not going anywhere. Users are repeating previous statements or saying things without a reason The consensus is not to pair them. Anyone who disagrees with a GOOD reason, please speak. Dcbanners (talk) 13:35, 22 November 2014 (UTC)


 * - MSN was easy to find. Like TV Guide, it shows episodes listed individually. The press releases at The Futon Critic pair episodes only when they are aired together, and even then not all the time. There are plenty of episodes listed individually. Note that "a" and "b" refer to production numbers, not episode numbers, but the fact that the "segments" have different production codes make them different episodes. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 16:14, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

This isn't about how the episodes are listed. This is about how they are numbered. It seems you have failed to provide 5 sources to support your numbers. You've provided a source that supports our numbers (The Futon Critic), a source that says it is in season 5 ( MSN) and 1 that supports your numbers. The rest I can't find. Provide links. 107.72.164.81 (talk) 21:03, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't know what you mean by "provide links". Go be lazy somewhere else. Dcbanners (talk) 21:09, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

The discussion is closed. The consensus is to number each episode individually. This stuff will just go on forever. Dcbanners (talk) 21:10, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

The discussion is not closed. You have failed to provide reason for your changes. I have failed to see these edits as constructive. Provide 5 sources and if I can't then the discussion is over. 107.72.164.81 (talk) 23:28, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
 * These are the four most reliable sources.

Dcbanners (talk) 23:30, 22 November 2014 (UTC) '''The discussion is now closed. Each episode will be counted individually.''' You guys can continue your whining, but it won't change the consensus. I don't have time for this. Dcbanners (talk) 23:32, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The Futon Critic
 * MSN
 * TV Guide
 * Zap2it

Please provide links to the actual sources not Wikipedia articles. 107.72.164.81 (talk) 23:40, 22 November 2014 (UTC) Dcbanners (talk) 23:52, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
 * http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/series/phineas-and-ferb/seasons-episodes/AA4csBG (Shows each individually)
 * http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/phineas-and-ferb/episodes-season-5/289680 (Shows each individually)
 * http://www.thefutoncritic.com/showatch/phineas-and-ferb/listings/ (Pairs them when they air together)
 * http://www.zap2it.com/tv/phineas-and-ferb/episodes/SH009488470000 (Pairs them when they air together)

According to the above discussion, sources saying that the show is in season 5 are inaccurate ruling out MSN and TV Guide. The Futon Critic Shows A and B even when the episodes air separately making it a source supporting our numbers. Zap2it always pairs 11 minute episodes making it also a source supporting our numbers. We have 2 sources. You have none. Your edits should be reverted unless you can find 3 sources. Chasbo123 (talk) 00:23, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment The individuals commenting on the side of pairing the episodes have insufficiently demonstrated why the pairings should occur. Rather than keep demanding that other users provide sources to your satisfaction, you should be providing sources and coherent arguments that support your perspective. That's how discussion goes. Consensus isn't a vote, it's based on who has the stronger arguments. Vague arguments about how the current numbering is "weird" aren't constructive. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:14, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * MSN: Says it is in season 5
 * TV Guide: Says it is in season 5
 * The Futon Critic: Uses A and B
 * Zap2it: Pairs the episodes
 * Please see Cyphoidbomb's comment. Dcbanners (talk) 00:27, 23 November 2014 (UTC)


 * The sources say that the episodes are paired so unless you can find sources that support your claim, the discussion will be closed supporting paired episodes.  H''' H (Talk) 00:32, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * You don't have a sufficient reason why they should be paired. Give me the sources instead of demanding them. Saying things like "The sources say that the episodes are paired so unless you can find sources that support your claim" do not help the discussion at all. If you don't give sources, then the discussion will close. Dcbanners (talk) 00:35, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * You don't have sources. We have The Futon Critic and Zap2it. See my comment on your sources. Chasbo123 (talk) 00:41, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

The discussion is closed The users supporting paired episode can't provide accurate sources supporting their argument. Dcbanners (talk) 02:37, 23 November 2014 (UTC) I've created an RfC in the hope that other community members can weigh in. RfCs typically last 30 days. If you decide to add your thoughts, please do so in the Survey section with something like: or
 * Do not pair - Your coherent argument here.
 * Pair - Your coherent argument here.
 * Comment - Your coherent comment here.

Debate should occur in the discussion section, so please do not comment underneath someone's survey as this will only clutter the page. And remember, the point of these discussions is to find the best thing for Wikipedia, not to "win". Thanks. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 01:16, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Solution: Disney XD Press (disneyabcpress.com/disneyxd/phineas-and-ferb) pairs the episodes, therefore, the episodes should be paired. Sorry for not getting a comment in for half a year. MacVersions/2601:5:A80:1061:810C:F6E7:2F65:2D24 (talk) 00:26, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I was unable to find that page but http://www.cinemablend.com/television/Phineas-Ferb-Ending-It-Go-Out-With-Bang-71758.html, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-hill/phineas-and-ferb-finale-l_b_7572040.html and https://ohmy.disney.com/insider/2015/06/11/phineas-and-ferbs-final-episode-for-now-is-a-touching-triumph/ agree that the episodes should be paired. Can someone else make this edit.  If I do, I will probably be blocked. user HH (talk) 23:55, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 20 November 2014
Please replace the text Deadline with Deadline

Nick Number (talk) 23:01, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Disambiguating by piping the link as you suggest is not the correct fix. It's used in the publisher parameter of the first ref, and Deadline is not the publisher - it's the publication (or website, or work if you prefer). At the bottom of the linked page we find "Copyright © 2014 Penske Business Media, LLC. All rights reserved."; the publisher is therefore Penske Business Media. -- Red rose64 (talk) 23:20, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 19:36, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 22 November 2014
Add ratings for "Steampunx". It received 1.703 million viewers. Here is my source: http://sonofthebronx.blogspot.com/2013/11/disney-channel-disney-junior-and-disney_22.html

Dcbanners (talk) 16:44, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. I'm sorry, "Blogspot" is not a reliable source. Please provide one if reopening this request. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 17:46, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

RfC - Pairing of episodes
There are two conflicting perspectives on how the episode segments in this season should be organized. The series is generally considered a 22-minute program (30 mins w/ commercials), which in the past has usually paired two 11-minute carts (episode segments) into one half-hour episode. This season, Disney has aired a number of 11-minute carts by themselves.

The disupute:
 * One side believes that episodes should be paired, even if the first cart aired days before what is presumed to be the second cart.
 * The other side believes the episodes should not be paired, but listed individually since they air on separate days.
 * Sources typically considered reliable, like TVGuide.com, MSN TV, The Futon Critic, treat this information differently, which is causing confusion. TVGuide.com doesn't pair the episodes, they list the airdates.  Futon Critic does pair the episodes, and assigns A and B carts to episode numbers, for example #413A "Thanks But No Thanks", and iTunes does as well.  Compounding the problem, is the fact that Zap2It hasn't listed any episodes from this season, and TVGuide and MSN are considering some episodes as Season 5, not Season 4.

Community input is requested to figure out if there is an intuitive and reasonable way to include this content when the various sources are at odds.

Survey

 * Pair - The Futon Critic and Zap2it show the episodes paired. H''' H (Talk) 01:57, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Pair - The sources that say that episode are individual have different seasons which was said to make them inaccurate. Chasbo123 (talk) 02:02, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * User is a confirmed sock of Hits hits per this note by CheckUser Ponyo. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:02, 25 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Pair - We have two strong sources to back up why they should be paired, and there are no sources saying that they should not be paired. You can not argue that the episodes should not be paired when everyone is pairing them.Gagaluv1 (talk) 11:43, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Don't pair - Those on the side of pairing the episodes have insufficiently demonstrated they should be paired. Rather than keep demanding that other users provide sources for you, you should be providing sources and decent arguments that support your opinion. That's how discussion goes. Consensus isn't a vote, it's based on whose argument is stronger. Comments about how the current numbering is "weird" aren't constructive. Dcbanners (talk) 02:36, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Don't pair. From what I can tell, they are separate stories that did not always air in the same episode.  I don't think this is a terribly important detail, but since LegoBot invited me here... NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 00:44, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Discussion

 * To all involved, it would be appreciated if you would please keep the discussion down here so we don't overwhelm the Survey section. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:39, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment - The pairs listed in The Futon Critic are the production codes, not airing numbers. Dcbanners (talk) 02:39, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment - Your last claim was simply a paraphrase of a comment by Cyphoidbomb and we have 2 sources. Chasbo123 (talk) 03:17, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Stop saying rubbish like "We have two sources". Give me them. Dcbanners (talk) 03:26, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The Futon Critic and Zap2it. Chasbo123 (talk) 03:28, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Zap2it is not reliable in this situation as it's outdated. Whenever The Futon Critic uses "A" and "B", they are usually the production codes, not the airing order. Dcbanners (talk) 03:32, 23 November 2014 (UTC)


 * I don't see S4 listed at Zap2It., please provide a link. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:38, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * It uses this numbering on other seasons. We are talking about all of the season articles. I thought you said that they are produced individually. Chasbo123 (talk) 03:54, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * They are; they're just paired to fill out a half-hour time slot. Dcbanners (talk) 04:06, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * As I've pointed out above, the press releases reproduced at The Futon Critic pair episodes only for dates when they are air together, and even then not all the time. There are plenty of episodes listed individually. Note that "a" and "b" refer to production numbers, not episode numbers, but the fact that the "segments" have different production codes make them different episodes and so they should be listed separately. Both TV Guide and MSN list episodes separately. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 06:39, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * In the Futon Critic, some of the segments have different pairings for production and airing, so they can't correspond to each other. Look at the July 5, 2013 airing for example; episode 404B and 407A are paired but they were produced at different times. Dcbanners (talk) 12:42, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * 1. If they are produced individually then why do the production codes have A and B?
 * They are paired in production to fill out a half-hour time slot but they air separately. Dcbanners (talk) 13:47, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * 2. How do we know that these are the production numbers on the Futon Critic?
 * Because the numbers are out of order, we can only assume they are production. Dcbanners (talk) 13:47, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * 3. They are paired on Zap2it
 * Zap2it is not reliable in this situation because it's outdated. Dcbanners (talk) 13:47, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * 4. the only sources that support you say the show isbin season 5. Chasbo123 (talk) 13:39, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Only TV Guide does, but I will report that mistake. Dcbanners (talk) 13:47, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * They both do. We have 3 sources so don't say that we are being lazy and not finding sources. We found iTunes. 107.72.164.81 (talk) 16:16, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

I don't want to hear that "We have 3 sources" stuff. Provide links. Dcbanners (talk) 16:31, 23 November 2014 (UTC) 1. The Futon Critic shows the "A" and "B" as the production numbers. The episodes only are paired when they air together. 2. Zap2it pairs them when they air together. 3. It's common; episodes are paired only for release on Itunes and stuff. I still don't get what point you're making. Episodes should only be paired if they air together, and stay like that. Please don't argue until you have a sufficient reason why they should be paired. Dcbanners (talk) 18:23, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * http://www.thefutoncritic.com/showatch/phineas-and-ferb/listings/
 * http://www.zap2it.com/tv/phineas-and-ferb/episodes/SH009488470000
 * https://itunes.apple.com/us/tv-season/phineas-and-ferb-vol.-10/id712572916. Chasbo123 (talk) 18:18, 23 November 2014 (UTC)


 * 1. Prove that The Futon Critic is showing production numbers. If they are shouldn't we number them the way they were meant to air.
 * 2. Zap2it always pairs the episodes.
 * 3. ITunes pairs the numbers because that's the way it's supposed to be.
 * Please find a sufficient reason why episodes should be individual or your changes will be reverted. Chasbo123 (talk) 18:39, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * This discussion isn't going anywhere with these statements. We need more experienced editors. Dcbanners (talk) 18:49, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Provide a sufficient reason. Chasbo123 (talk) 18:55, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Because production order doesn't correspond to airing order. Episodes are only paired if they ALWAYS air together, like Nickelodeon shows. Dcbanners (talk) 19:05, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Why do the sources list them paired then. Chasbo123 (talk) 19:21, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * They're paired to fill out a half-hour timeslot or they aired on the same day. Dcbanners (talk) 19:33, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

I have to ask you guys to stop. This back-and-forth is not helpful and it achingly reminds me of elementary school. We know that you're both at odds. Leave some room on the page for other editors to weigh in. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:41, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment Disney via Amazon and iTunes sells the episodes as short ones paired, long ones separately - see http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AKRWWH2 and https://itunes.apple.com/us/tv-season/phineas-and-ferb-vol.-10/id712572916. Likely how these go on DVD sets as well though I didn't check. This indicates to me how Disney considers the finished product. This is outside how the episodes were and are being aired. Disney's intended packaging for viewing should count in how this article is organized. Either option being discussed here would work as long as it is consistent but I would prefer the article to somewhat match what Disney sells. Geraldo Perez (talk) 04:56, 24 November 2014 (UTC)


 * 's claim that "there are no sources saying that they should not be paired" is incorrect. As we've already discussed, both MSN and TV Guide list episodes individually and Futon Critic lists many episodes individually. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 11:57, 25 November 2014
 * Stop making stuff up. The Futon Critic lists the episodes paired. All of the sources list them paired or in season 5 so either pair them or add season 5. 107.72.162.80 (talk) 22:12, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Disney considers the episodes paired such as on the watch apps. 107.72.162.80 (talk) 03:20, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you should take your own advice. Futon Critic lists numerous episodes individually, even when they aired on the same day. That's just a small selection. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 05:39, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Yet another Florida IP with a dog in the race. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 06:01, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't know how long it's going to take for this to sink in but futon critic lists them paired so quit crying "your sources don't work" because you're not fooling anyone. How about some sources that support your exact numbers. Disney pairs episodes on the watch apps and everywhere else. Pairing is the official way to number it. I edit over cellular so I don't give away my home IP. I just realized that it changes. 107.72.162.80 (talk) 14:16, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * "I don't know how long it's going to take for this to sink in but futon critic lists them paired" - I don't know how long it's going to take for this to sink in but the 7 links that I posted clearly show this assertion to be, at the very best, misleading. Only some are paired.
 * "How about some sources that support your exact numbers" - Sources have been posted on this page more than once. Do they really need to be posted again? -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 15:22, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * 232A, 232B, 311A, 313A, 314B, 314A, 315A. These episodes are paired. On the Bs it puts both the A and B episode summaries. Disney considers the episodes paired. This isn't just for selling. It appears this way on watch apps too where you get the episodes free. The only sources that support this strange new numbering system say it is in season 5. There are no numbering that support yours. 107.72.162.93 (talk) 18:21, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
 * When you resort to sockpuppetry, which you have done, to make it appear as though your perspective has more support, none of what you have argued need be considered. From our perspective, you are not interested in working collaboratively, rather, you are only here to assert your POV. The fact that you keep coming back to chatter about your POV doesn't make your POV any more legitimate. Let the RfC run its course, please. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:35, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I got an account to stop the changing IPs. All of the 107s are me. They are not all different users. I don't want make it look like I have more support. 21:45, 2 December 2014 (UTC)155500oo (talk)


 * Note: Because user keeps resorting to sockpuppetry and block evasion, all subsequent comments by his socks have been stricken out. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 23:22, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The RfC is not over. I also did not evade my block. I was unaware of the policy. I say we add both numbers as a compromise. I see the reason for listing individually but I would like to see a source that lists the episodes individually and in season 4. H''' H (Talk) 23:20, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Incorrect, the RfC is over. It expired a month after it started like most RfCs. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 23:52, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
 * A new RfC should be started H''' H (Talk) 00:52, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * The RfC isn't even over. 30 days is the default but a conclusion has not been reached. I have a compromise: We add both numbers, true and individually H''' H (Talk) 02:12, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * You are removing the RfC tag and saying we have reached consensus but also reverting my edits saying we have not reached consensus. H''' H (Talk) 22:20, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Page protection
A few days ago I asked that List of Phineas and Ferb episodes and all of the season articles be protected due to edit-warring. Unfortunately, very soon after protection expired, an editor decided to edit-war at all articles. That editor is currently blocked for breaching the three-revert rule at this article. Because of this, and strong suspicions of sockpuppetry, I have again requested that all pages be protected. All of the articles are now fully protected until 25 December 2014. In the event that consensus is reached before then, the articles may be unprotected. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 05:39, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Production Codes from Disney ABC Press
You can find missing production codes from the article on the new Disney ABC press website, under Disney XD.

Examples:

Tales from the Resistance special: 423

Act Your Age special: 426

P&F Save Summer hour long special: 427-428

Night of the Living Pharmacists: 430-431

Star Wars special: 433-434

Last Day of Summer: 436-437

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Colour contrast problems
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Table header
The original air date, number of viewers, and production code are in the wrong order in the table header as compared to the table itself. I cannot see how to fix it though... Stifle (talk) 08:30, 15 April 2016 (UTC)