Talk:Pizza/Archive 5

Also to fix
There's a comment about the dough being left to 'proof'. The correct tense is 'proove', and the linked page should be 'prooving'.

Proofing is what an editor does. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andycwb (talk • contribs)


 * The article already links to Proofing (baking technique), which clearly states the term proofing is also sometimes referred to as proving. No need for a change. (The suggested link prooving is a redirect to evidence, which is clearly the wrong target in this case.) Mind  matrix  21:31, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

I think we might into UK vs US English here; proofing just looks wrong to me.Andycwb

Merge discussion
Grilled pizza was proposed by 81.132.109.86 to be merged into this article in July, 2016, but the merge discussion was not created. I'm creating it now. Geoff &#124; Who, me? 18:10, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge This variant of pizza differs only by cooking method (grilled rather than baked). No need for the separate article. Geoff &#124; Who, me? 18:10, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge I agree with Glane23's opinion. bojo 1498   talk  18:15, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge No reason to separate grilled pizza. --Macrakis (talk) 02:06, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge Ditto - ChamithN   (talk)  03:24, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Support if an actual merge of some content occurs, rather than just a redirect. I added sources to the Grilled pizza article. North America1000 08:11, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Yes!! I totally agree!SelfieQueen (talk) 16:29, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Pizza article update please
The first recorded use of the word "pizza" dates from 997 CE and comes from a Latin text from the town of Gaeta in Southern Italy. The origins of the word are uncertain and disputed but there are 5 main theories:


 * 1. It derives from an Old High German word “bizzo” or “pizzo” meaning “mouthful” (related to the English words “bit” and “bite”) and was brought to Italy in the middle of the 6th century CE by the invading Lombards. This is the origin favoured by the Oxford English Dictionary though they state that it remains unattested.


 * 2. It derives from the Latin word “pinsa”, the past participle of the verb “pinsere” which means to pound or to crush and refers to the flattening out of the dough.


 * 3. It derives from the Italian word “pizzicare” meaning “to pluck” and refers to pizza being “plucked” quickly from the oven (“Pizzicare” was derived from an older Italian word "pizzo" meaning “point”).


 * 4. It derives from the Latin word “picea” which describes the blackening of bread in the oven or the black ash that gathers at the bottom of the oven.


 * 5. The word pita (as פיתא) exists in the Aramaic of the Babylonian Talmud, referring to bread in general, tracing the word to a cognate for pine pitch, which forms flat layers that may resemble pita bread — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bowmangirl33 (talk • contribs) 22:26, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Fix picture description
Inside the History section there's a picture that reads "Round pizza with spinach". This description should be "Round pizza with basil". It's easy to confuse spinach leaves and basil leaves because of their similarity, but the original and most common pizza in Italian culture (Pizza Margherita) is made of tomato sauce, mozzarella and basil. "Spinacia oleracea" (most commoly known as spinach) is different than "Ocimum basilicum" (known as basil). Maybe in the every-day language they are called in the same way, but they are two different plant types. 213.26.12.130 (talk) 07:56, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 * As it was in the "history" section, I removed the whole image and replaced it with a more suitable, historical, image of a pizzaiolo. - Takeaway (talk) 12:11, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 * That makes sense. Not just having pictures of pizzas. Slight  Smile  13:23, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

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Quality issues
Holy crap, who wrote the intro to this article? English clearly was not their first language, and the writing quality is horrendous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:5CC:8301:1FD8:5057:BACC:2B2F:868D (talk) 19:05, 13 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Fixed a bit of the wording. If you have suggestions please bring them forward. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 19:13, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 August 2017
Would like to add the link to the word hops to the hops Wiki Hops because many non-beer drinkers or dough makers have no idea what hops is. IGOTGAME (talk) 02:40, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 02:55, 22 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Hops didn't belong in the article at all. They were added by User:Pbeaqd along with a fictional "jeyoun". I have removed the mentions. --Macrakis (talk) 20:21, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

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Typo to fix, but editing blocked by the Wikinazis
“Bexiga/Bela Vista” has to be “Bexiga / Bela Vista”. The difference being, that the first one is expanded as “Bexiga Vista and Bela Vista”, while the second one is expanded as ““Bexiga and Bela Vista”. Which is what is meant. It’s a typical error, stemming from computers requiring the space character to be placed correctly, while spaces can be of variable width with handwriting. The rule here is, that every non-alphanumeric character, except the hyphen and the apostrophe, has at least one space between it and the alphanumeric character of the part that it is associated with. Or on both sides, if the strength in equal. But never none. (Except for above exceptions.)

That way, we solve the ambiguity.

Similar Dishes, Karjalan piirakat, suggestion
Finnish Karelian pies come from the eastern european/slavi piroggi traditions and has absolutely NOTHING TO DO WITH PIZZA. It's a savory filled pastry. The dough is not yeast-based, but sour rye dough... it is flattened as thin as possible and does not bubble. The filling is varied only slightly, there are rice-porridge, rice-porridge with carrots, potato mash and traditionally (before rice came to Karelia) buck wheat and such. The size of the pies is also much smaller than pizza. Note that Pizza has toppings not fillings. Although some toppings like Rucola are seldomly baked on pizza, most toppings are. Karelian pies are baked with different fillings, but toppings are usually just an option, the traditional topping being egg-butter, made by mixing cooked eggs an butter. Also, NO CHEESE....although I guess there are pizzas sin queso as well.

I suggest the deletion of the last line on the Similar dishes list:

"A similar dish in Finland is called karjalanpiirakat or karjalanpiirakka in the South Karelian dialect of Finnish, and karjalanpiiraat or karjalanpiiras in the North Karelian dialect."

Celia Hobart (talk) 17:46, 13 January 2018 (UTC)


 * I agree to retrieve my [change]. I am convinced karjalanpiirakat and its picture do not belong here after reading this very informative suggestion. Cobanyastigi (talk) 19:28, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Added a link to Karelian pasty into "see also" section of Börek next to links to pirog variants, where it really belongs.Cobanyastigi (talk) 19:46, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Likewise, I've never heard of Okonomiyaki described as "Japanese pizza". Isn't it more like an omelette?Iapetus (talk) 11:57, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

History is wrong
The history section blends myths with facts, creating an inaccurate history. Pizza as we know it today is flatbread with a at least tomato puree on top. Other ingredients, including cheeses, are additions to pizza history. Because of that, the modern pizza was not created in Napoli, just the Margarita was. Later in the article it correctly notes that flatbread with tomato top was first recorded in the 17th century in Sicily. This fact should be noted in the history section. The pizza association was invented in 1984 to create a monopoly and history on pizza. Trademarking stories about the origins of pizza does not make it true or accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Micschill (talk • contribs) 15:18, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Image
dear users, before to add a new image, get consensus here on Talk page, seems to me that pizza is born in Italy and not in Mexico.LuigiPortaro29 (talk) 15:32, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

“Created by” is wrong.
Pizza don’t have a knowed creator. It is not true that Eduardo Esposito created pizza. He was considered the creator of Pizza Margherita in 1889, but studies about that discovered that Pizza Margherita was invented between 1810-1860. Fabrie98 (talk) 01:04, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Please provide a reliable source. You mentioned that studies have disputed the belief that Pizza Margherita was invented in 1889. Can you link those studies here? -- ChamithN   (talk)  20:39, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

REGOLAMENTO (UE) N. 97/2010 DELLA COMMISSIONE del 4 febbraio 2010 pag. 8 “Le prime pizzerie, senza dubbio, sono nate a Napoli e fino a metà del 900 il prodotto era un’esclusiva di Napoli e delle pizzerie. Fin dal 1700 erano attive nella città diverse botteghe, denominate «pizzerie», la cui fama era arrivata sino al re di Napoli, Ferdinando di Borbone, che per provare questo piatto tipico della tradizione napoletana violò l’etichetta di corte entrando in una tra le più rinomate pizzerie. Da quel momento la «pizzeria» si trasformò in un locale alla moda, luogo deputato all’esclusiva preparazione della «pizza». Le pizze più popolari e famose a Napoli erano la «marinara», nata nel 1734, e la margherita, del 1796-1810, che venne offerta alla regina d’Italia in visita a Napoli nel 1889 proprio per il colore dei suoi condimenti (pomodoro, mozzarella e basilico) che ricordano la bandiera dell’Italia.” Fabrie98 (talk) 00:55, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

I agree that the sourcing isn't definitive enough to list Raffaele Esposito as the creator of pizza in the infobox. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 02:43, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Largest Pizza units wrong
The largest pizza is cited as 1,261 meters, however it is supposed to be square meters. It was also translated into feet but retained the original mistake, it should be 13,580 ft² — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.106.198.2 (talk) 18:41, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 19:21, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Commercial Pizza
Due to the popularity of pizza in America with Italian immigration. Frozen pizza became quite popular in American households. Brands like DiGiorno, Tombstone, and Totino's just to name a were highly successful in the frozen dinner market. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Treajuredahl (talk • contribs) 02:08, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

"American" history
The fact that Italian immigrants brought pizza to the United States is not notable enough to be mentioned under the "history" section. And the explicit names of American pizza chains DEFINITELY do not belong there. Do you see Panda Express in the history section of Chinese Cuisine? I will not accept the reversion of my edits. The English Wikipedia does not belong to Americans only. I will not take any more bullying by self-proclaimed "pizza experts" because of this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iyi muhabbet (talk • contribs) 22:11, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
 * This is the history of the food item, not the cuisine. Pizza has become a staple food in North America, so I do think it merits inclusion in the history section. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 22:24, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Even though there have been immigrants that have brought it to several countries, North America is the one that is the best documented from what I can see. If more sources can be found for other countries, that may also merit inclusion in history as it is part of the history of the food item. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 22:49, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

The origin of the name pizza
pizza is a famous Italian dish loved by millions of people around the world. Pizza is a savory dish of Italian origin, consisting of a usually round, flattened base of leavened wheat-based dough topped with tomatoes, cheese, and various other ingredients (anchovies, olives, meat, etc.) baked at a high temperature, traditionally in a wood-fired oven. Informal settings, like a restaurant, pizza is eaten with knife and fork, but in casual settings, it is cut into wedges to be eaten while held in the hand. Small pizzas are sometimes called pizzettas. but how did the term pizza really come?

the history of pizza was developed back in 1888 in bazaaria, Palestine.which was known as bazaaria for their for the different and big bazaars they do every day, people loved to come from all around the world just to enjoy these bazaars.one day, a group of Italian tourists came to enjoy these memorable moments. a Women, mid-aged, from Napoli Italy, was walking around wishing to eat something different. she went and searched for hours until she stopped by a woman making a loaf of bread on a saj ( a hot surface usually used to bake bread). she was amazed at the way she flipped that bread on the saj. she asked for a taste of the bread, the woman doing the bread added some dried tomatoes, zaatar and olive oil then gave it to the woman. the taste of that bread made it unforgettable, it was just so chewy and melts inside the mouth. on the way back the woman couldn't stop thinking about that bread so as soon as she came back to Napoli she made that bread using the information she took from that taste she made it exactly the same but she knew it messed a one ingredient she tried to look around the kitchen until she found it, cheese, it was the missing ingredient. by adding the cheese, dried tomatoes olive oil and some oregano she passed that food around, everyone was asking for the name of this type of food. she thought about it until she found the perfect name, bizza or more Italian pizza.

Resources: http://www.palestineremembered.com/Biladuna-Filisteen-Mustafa-Murdad-Dabagh.html https://ar.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A8%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%A7 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rosevalanetta123 (talk • contribs) 16:45, 6 January 2019 (UTC)


 * The picture of the pizzaiolo in the article from 1830 immediately disproves this. The term pizza is also much older than 1888, although there is some debate on the etymology. Angelo (talk · contribs) 05:01, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

If this long commentary is not a troll, I don't know. I don't even see the link between the pizza and Palestine — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gelias01 (talk • contribs) 11:19, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 December 2019
In 2019 a new robot has come into market which can make 300 pizzas in an hour. Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/quickerbettertech/2019/10/06/a-robot-makes-300-pizzas-an-hourand-other-small-business-tech-news-this-week/#21b182702f97 ANUBHAV NATH (talk) 05:44, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Melmann 12:22, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 January 2020
Pizza was created by Emma Manoj 73.32.179.169 (talk) 23:05, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 23:28, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Pizza
Please explain why my changes were undone, edit summary was only "Take it to talk" Cornsimpel (talk) 15:05, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 June 2020
change "amonds" to "almonds" in the History section. 195.139.114.220 (talk) 21:24, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done – Thjarkur (talk) 21:39, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 July 2020
In the etymology section, add next to the transliterated greek word pḗtea the original greek: πήτεα 96.241.99.48 (talk) 20:26, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Rummskartoffel (talk) 21:29, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Pizzerias
Proposed edit: In the Preparation Cooking 3.1 section, please change

In restaurants, pizza can be baked. ..

to

In restaurants and pizzerias, pizza can be baked. ..

Note the wikilink of much redirected pizzerias to List of pizza chains. - 50.80.241.62 (talk) 21:49, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Suggested change: "Pizzeria" and "Pizza Parlor" redirects:

I was trying to determine if there was a key difference between pizzerias and pizza parlors other than geographic parlance, and entering either term in the search dialog redirected to this article. However, List of pizza chains seems the more appropriate redirect since it defines both terms at the top of the article.

75.27.30.212 (talk) 17:04, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

List of pizza chains does seems more appropriate for the redirect.Plunging Bear (talk) 18:16, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 September 2021
Pinaple doesn't go on pizza, I'm writing this because it is written 5.90.74.48 (talk) 07:27, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. — LauritzT (talk) 08:26, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 September 2021
Please change "Serving temperature:	Hot, warm, or frozen" to "Serving temperature:	Hot or warm"

Pizza is not served frozen. It is often stored frozen, but not served frozen. 84.212.60.4 (talk) 12:59, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ <b style="color:DarkTurquoise; font-weight: bold; font-family:cambria">Eevee01</b>(<b style="color:#40E0D0; font-style: italic">talk</b>) 13:17, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 November 2021
Flatbreads with toppings originated from ancient Egypt, Rome and Greece. founded in 600 B.C. RandomInternetUser666 (talk) 02:29, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 04:47, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Preparation
Proposed edit: One of the images mentions a "carmelized" crust. This is gramatically incorrect, regardless of which form of English one speaks. It should be "caramelized" in American English, and "caramelised" in the rest of the Anglophone world. You do pronounce it "carmelized" in some parts of the United States, but it's never spelled like that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Morgoth344 (talk • contribs) 20:05, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

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Health section
FYI, there is an ongoing discussion regarding this article's health section at Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard. See comments there before continuing to blank the section. Calidum 18:14, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Medical sourcing
the content I removed violates WP: MEDRS because they come from primary studies. These are notoriously unreliable in the medical field, which is why the MEDRS policy exists. The content must be sourced from higher quality sources. MarshallKe (talk) 18:36, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * This is a basic sourcing problem. Astonishingly, we have an editor edit warring to preserve this crap. Alexbrn (talk) 18:38, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for actually saying what the issue is instead of just linking to the guideline. I will defer to the ongoing discussion at the NPOV noticeboard. Calidum  18:40, 6 April 2022 (UTC)