Talk:PlayStation 5/Archive 1

Needs more independent coverage
The console was announced today and the only available information comes from Wired magazine exclusive interview and other magazines reporting on it. Let's wait for more independent coverage of this topic. Interview Anton.bersh (talk) 19:33, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Console wasn't even directly announced or named, it still amounts to leaks and hints. Far WP:TOOSOON. -- ferret (talk) 21:14, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Not sure what the history is here because of the histmerge, but I think this needs to be moved back to draft and the mainspace article should redirect to PlayStation. Very crystal bally, as the product hasn't been finished yet. TarkusAB talk 21:33, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
 * The article is in a poor state at the moment. I agree. — Niche-gamer 21:48, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Agreed. We can wait for an official announcement that gives us something tangible (like the actual name). Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 13:32, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Far TOOSOON. Sergecross73   msg me  14:33, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I also support the use of independent coverage. Wikipedia is not the place for speculation after all. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 18:48, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * This fails CRYSTAL. What was in the Wired interview gave reason to toss the "Future hardwre" section I put up at the main PlayStation article, but not for a standalone on the console when they said its not even named. --M asem (t) 15:06, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

I've reverted the page moves and restored the draft to draftspace. -- ferret (talk) 15:38, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * +1 JOE BRO  64  18:22, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Reassessment on independent article
Hopefully didn't miss anyone. This has been un-redirected today, and I've already tried to clean up several issues. The lead has lots of issues, the history bulk seems to be from the redirect target, then the rest of the article is unsourced information on release date, game list and pricing. Is this ready for prime time? -- ferret (talk) 16:13, 13 January 2020 (UTC)


 * I nixed the game list (the only game 100% assured as a PS5 title is Godfall), and the prices as those were only sourced to rumors and not from any good reliable source. But otherwise I think as a independent article, it is fine now. As long as we don't assert 9th gen yet. --M asem (t) 16:32, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Ninth gen is sneaking in everywhere, it has categories and templates. I've given up. -- ferret (talk) 16:36, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Undenible we will have ninth gen soon, and it would be silly to not believe PS5 would be classified as such.. but again, we shouldn't be jumping the gun to call it that until there are hard specs given by Sony and people are making comparisons to the Xbox 4th gen line. --M asem (t) 16:40, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I don’t oppose the PS5 article in its current state, though I still don’t think we’re ready for a ninth gen article... Sergecross73   msg me  16:57, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I do not reasonably expect a 9th gen article to be possible until after at least E3 this year. --M asem (t) 17:16, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2020
47.8.226.213 (talk) 18:17, 21 January 2020 (UTC) i want to add some leaks about ps5
 * We don't add leaks unless they are backed by major industry sources (like Wall Street Journal). I am aware of the leaks related to a big news day, launch window and price, and we're not touching those as they originated from 4chan. --M asem (t) 18:25, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Banner for this talk page
I support that this talk page needs a banner for saying that there is to be no mention of the phrase "Playstation 6" on this talk page except in response to hearing that there's official info that that console is out. Any suggestions?? Georgia guy (talk) 01:35, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * What are you even talking about? No one has ever mentioned that and there's zero reason for a banner. -- ferret (talk) 01:43, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm sure it's likely that someone will. Georgia guy (talk) 01:48, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I mean, it’ll probably come up here and there, but I doubt it’s going to be a frequent enough issue that would require a banner. I don’t even know what people would talk about. We hardly know what a PS5 is, let alone a PS6. There’s nothing to even talk about. And there likely won’t be for years. Sergecross73   msg me  02:13, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Grammar
It says : through a NVM Express (NVMe), which should be through an NVM Express (NVMe)

I can't edit the text, most likely because my account doesn't meet the requirements.


 * Done. — Niche-gamer 22:20, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

"Digital" games
"support for both digital and disc-based games" - Will the PS5 disc based games be analog media? 74.192.145.65 (talk) 03:44, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * lol Most Wikipedians tend to parrot the slang of the masses, such as "digital game" instead of "downloadable game", or "title" instead of "game". I've never seen anyone even question the obvious error, with the implication of .....analog games. It's disgustingly illogical, sloppy, and especially needless. — Smuckola(talk) 04:37, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Games
There are numerous issues with this section. Firstly, the April 2019 Mark Cerny Wired magazine interview does not quote Cerny stating Sony specifically was planning to release new games for both consoles. It's the author Peter Rubin himself who writes "As in many other generational transitions, this will be a gentle one, with numerous new games being released for both PS4 and the next-gen console." This is a reasonable expectation in keeping with past console transitions, particularly for games developed by third-party developers. However there is nothing in the source interview that supports our article stating Mark Cerny "believed Sony" was planning to release "several new games" for both PS4 and PS5.

Secondly, the "binary choice" Jim Ryan talks about in the June 2019 interview refers to the fear of severance by leaving your friends and games behind when transitioning to the latest console.


 * Typically, the launch of a new video game console is a major transition, when old games and your progress in them are left behind in favor of the latest and greatest. Sony wants to put an end to that. [...] "Whether it's backwards compatibility or the possibility of cross-generational play, we'll be able to transition that community to next-gen," [Ryan] said. "It won't be a binary choice about whether you have to be ether on PlayStation 4 or next-gen to continue your friendship."

Jim Ryan isn't promising all future Sony games will release on both PS4 and PS5. Nowhere does he say that. He's saying you can still play your existing catalog of PS4 games on PS5 via backward compatibility, or freely switch back and forth between consoles with features like cross-progress and cross-platform voice chat. "It won't be a binary choice about whether you have to be ether on PlayStation 4 or next-gen to continue your friendship."

My immediate proposal is to strip things back and keep it simple. We can expand on cross-generational play and what that means for gamers but we must do so from a body of text that strictly reflects the sources. — Niche-gamer 14:09, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I see where you're coming from, but I get the impression that more media was taking the 2019 comments to be a transition like MS was offering. But that said, until we see that reflected in any other sources, then removing them for now is fine, though I would suggest adding back that Sony was looking to the cross-generation play factors after stating Ryan's more recent comment. --M asem (t) 14:20, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The impression is easily gained from the 2019 Wired interview that Sony were planning games for both consoles. When we revisit the interview it becomes clear the author was talking more generally. Later the same year, journalist Jason Schreier revealed that Sony was planning to have PS5 exclusive games ready for launch. So what we really needed was an explicit statement from Sony detailing their plans. Jim Ryan recently provided us with a definitive answer. I'll work on the cross-generation aspect shortly. It's notable enough. — Niche-gamer 14:43, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 June 2020
Change "A major game library showcase for the PlayStation 5 had been planned for June 4, 2020, but was postponed indefinitely in light of events due to the George Floyd protests." to "A major game library showcase for the PlayStation 5 -called The Future of Gaming- had been planned for June 4, 2020, but was rescheduled to June 11, 2020 in light of events due to the George Floyd protests" NorbiZsemi (talk) 18:30, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Effectively ✅ --M asem (t) 18:40, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 June 2020
95.168.120.10 (talk) 22:35, 11 June 2020 (UTC) The price will be around $450
 * The article already says that, near the end, based on component price estimates. RudolfRed (talk) 23:40, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2020
I would like to request thee addition of a picture of the PS5 as it was recently revealed today. 2601:642:4202:4A10:7C90:DAA9:C96E:B2D3 (talk) 01:46, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * We cannot just add a non-free image of the console, as this is against policy. --M asem (t) 01:50, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

A note on the image
Per WP:NFCC because we know the system will be out soon - within 4-5 months into consumers hands, and that means sooner into demo displays and the like, this means we know we can get a free image of the console sooner than later, and so a non-free cannot be used here at this point. It would be different if the console was >6 months (roughly the break point). --M asem (t) 01:21, 12 June 2020 (UTC)


 * The rational of why we can wait for an image is past practice but comes from the main WMF meta:Resolution:Licensing policy that NFC is based on, specifically point #3: - my emphasis. We know that when the console is out, a free image will be made (in fact we can reasonably expect this from user Evan-Amos who has taken nearly all of our console pictures as free images. That might not happen until early 2021, but we can reasonable say that within the next 3-5 months that either: a Wikipedia will get their hands on a PS5 console and can take a picture of it and upload it for free, or 2) a Wikipedia can go to a PS5 event/demo station at a GameStop or equivalent and get a picture of it. That period is within fair game to wait for the free image that "we can reasonable expect someone to upload a freely licensed file" so we cannot use a non-free at this time. This is standard NFCC practice. --M asem  (t) 01:54, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

photo protection
can we have a semi-protection section for the infobox because since the full release of what it looks like there has been and will be vandalism. and id like to say hey stop it, man. but i don't know the specifics of how that would work or if it would even work. but if it is possible then let's add some protection to the page. Jerry Steinfield (talk) 02:57, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * You have to ask permission on WP:RFP TurboSonic (talk) 03:14, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

wheres ferret when you need him? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jerry Steinfield (talk • contribs) 03:40, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The entire article is already semiprotected until December. That said, in the DOZENS of edits in the last day, while some are less than perfect, none have appeared to be vandalism. -- ferret (talk) 11:27, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2020
Adding official image ssethia 15:30, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: See the above section on this topic, which is still under active discussion. -- ferret (talk) 15:38, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 June 2020
The changes i will add more details in the history segment such as the controller reveal and details about the livestream where the console was revealed along with some games Speedyboi69 (talk) 15:25, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. -- ferret (talk) 15:42, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2020
Need to upload pictures of the new ps5 2001:8F8:1729:82EB:4176:F4B1:581B:BF4 (talk) 08:50, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: See several talk sections above about why there is no image. -- ferret (talk) 11:38, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 June 2020
History should not include politics and protests for media attention which have nothing to do with the actual history of this product. The following statement should be erased... A major game library showcase for the PlayStation 5 had been planned for June 4, 2020, but was postponed until June 11 in light of events due to the George Floyd protests. This presentation also premiered the external design of the PlayStation 5.[11][12][13][14] 216.8.133.137 (talk) 01:43, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * ❌ This is exactly why the showcase was delayed, of course we would mention it, whether it's politics or not. Not sure what you mean by "politics and protests for media attention" either. L ke (talk) 02:36, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Needs to add images of models and accessories of the PlayStation 5.
I saw both models of the PlayStation 5, the regular version of the PlayStation 5, and the Digital Edition of the PlayStation 5. These were seen in the PS5 hardware reveal video. I also saw new accessories for the PlayStation 5, which were the DualSense Wireless controller, the DualSense charging station, the HD camera, the PULSE 3D Wireless headset, and the media remote. You should add these new models and accessories to the article. DesktopTech2020 (talk) 01:30, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Read the 5-6 sections just above this, all about the inclusion of an image and why we can't do it right now due to the policies about non-free copyrighted images. -- ferret (talk) 01:33, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Home video game console or subclass of home video game console?
According to the PlayStation 5's entry on Wikidata, this console is not a home video game console, but a subclass of home video game console. This doesn't make any sense for me at all. Can someone explain me?-- Maxeto0910 (talk) 19:48, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * That's not how to read the Wikidata entry. Look at how Wikidata defines "subclass" here [], it basically mean that the PS5 is a member of the class of "home video game consoles" alongside the PS4, the Xbox One, etc. --M asem (t) 20:21, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 August 2020
Add a preview image of the PS5 if possible. HypeGR (talk) 10:52, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: It's not. Please see multiple requests above about the image. -- ferret (talk) 12:34, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

PS5 backwards compatibility
I have a question, didn't they originally say that the PS5 was supposed to be backwards compatible with all PlayStation systems (1→4)? I, for some reason, remember that was what Sony said when they originally announced the system, but now (it seems) it will only be backwards compatible with PS4 games and nothing else (which is great), but it I don't know maybe I'm mistaken. -- sion8 talk page 06:34, 21 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Pretty sure it’s the top 100 most played ps4 games but I can’t really remember. Jerry Steinfield (talk) 21:03, 7 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Our section on backward compatibility needs improvement. The top 100 games was intended to serve as a snapshot to illustrate how Sony's backward compatibility work is going. The system itself will be compatible with the overwhelming majority of PS4 games at launch. Some of the references have been superseded following Sony's clarification. — Niche-gamer 10:27, 8 April 2020 (UTC)


 * No never said any BC beyond PS4; Cerny's first reveal stuck to PS4 BC only. Its been a question of how much of the PS4 library will be. --M asem  (t) 21:05, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, anything about PS1-3 compatibility has been unverified rumors and fan speculation. Sergecross73   msg me  21:39, 7 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah sorry it was an April fools joke. Lol Jerry Steinfield (talk) 01:49, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

I have a question on the topic, if they say that downloadable and disc-based games will be compatible, so it means that if I own some downloaded game on the PS4, I can then also download it to the PS5? Jirka.h23 (talk) 07:51, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:NOTAFORUM. This is not a help desk for your personal queries. Sergecross73   msg me  16:50, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * So I guess nobody knows. But if there was a source for it, it could be for sure used as an encyclopedic content. Jirka.h23 (talk) 15:05, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 * We can expect Sony to talk more about these features before release. Once they describe how it works in detail we'll have plenty of sources. — Niche-gamer 15:29, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 * So Sony has so far announced, that regarding older downloadable games, 15 games will be available within the PlayStation Plus Collection.1 But this is not about games, we have already purchased, they only offer a kind of package that can be purchased. So they still haven't commented on whether I can play already purchased downloaded games on my account on the new system. I think this will be important for many people (small library of games from the beginning of the console era). Jirka.h23 (talk) 06:57, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * They have not said anything about this, at all, so we cannot address this yet. --M asem (t) 13:07, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Here it is well explained. Already purchased games should be downloadable in PS5 library. Jirka.h23 (talk) 13:15, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Specs not specific
Hi, wikipedians! I just changed high frame rates to 120 frames per second. Because high frame rate is not specific. CaptainJoseph (talk) 19:08, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

PS5 cooling system/teardown information is absent
There's no information on the page regarding newly discovered details which were released in the official teardown of the system's hardware, including the cooling system's 120mm double-sided fan, first-time use of liquid metal and a heatsink that resembles the same performance as a vapour chamber. However I don't have the technical wizardry or knowledge to explain this accurately! Noah-x3 (talk) 21:37, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Might be worth a mention if true, but those aren’t reliable sources in the Wikipedia context. Sergecross73   msg me  22:05, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I will just leave these here.  Others are free do with them as they feel and perhaps I will try to integrate some of it later.  redsparta  talk 00:25, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

It will come out to Brazil in november 19 2020
https://www.playstation.com/pt-br/ps5/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.106.182.165 (talk) 23:33, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

The PS5 is NOT RDNA 2.0-compliant
Multiple sources, both a Sony engineer and AMD, as well as Digital Foundry, the core of the 'gpu' is of the nature of RDNA 1 with *some* specifications being compatible or effectively RDNA 2.0.

https://www.aroged.com/2020/11/ps5-digital-foundry-confirms-the-lack-of-full-support-for-the-rdna-2-architecture PettrK (talk) 19:41, 8 November 2020 (UTC)


 * We need this to be reported on an RS (listed on WP:VG/S), we can't use that site, nor that it happened on Resetera as a basis. We already say its a custom RNDA2, and that's the best I that RSes report it. --M asem  (t) 19:50, 8 November 2020 (UTC)


 * As far as I can tell from a quick google search, Microsoft are claiming that they have the only fully RDNA2 integrated console, but given the fact that Microsoft is their competitor, I wouldn't consider them to be a reliable source. Chieftain Tartarus (talk) 12:23, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Hardware section broke up into paragraphs
One of the main things I edited on this article was breaking up the Hardware section into neat sub-sections. However, a user keeps reverting this. I'm curious as to why. The hardware section of every other console article is broken up into sub-sections and the way it was before, without paragraphs or sub-sections, was a total mess. I also re-ordered some of the information to make it flow more logically.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=PlayStation_5&oldid=989297903 vs https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=PlayStation_5&oldid=989312550

Is this not more cleaner and easier to read?

Also what exactly is a "model SoC performance profile"? I added a clarification needed tag to that.


 * May I propose you edit the article at a pace slower. If the article contains muddled or incorrect information, start there first, giving pause for editors to review the changes. Thank you. — Niche-gamer 13:36, 18 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Just that the first time you had done this, you pulled in a number of sources that we considered unreliable for WP; the second time doesn't do that so that's better - most of the character text addition appears to be in the archiveurl/date stuff related to that. The new changes actually seem fine. However, the only concern I have is that when we talk consoles, the big thing is the CPU/GPU and those other internals - size and shape are generally the last thing of importance, so the order is off (even if that's how its done on other console articles). --M asem (t) 15:29, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 November 2020
Can "Indonesia suffering longer PlayStation 5 launch date which dated on January 22, 2021." be changed to something more grammatically correct such as: "In Indonesia, the PlayStation 5 is set to launch later on January 22, 2021"? Icedmorning (talk) 22:43, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ Reasonable. --M asem (t) 22:53, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

PS5 trademark dispute in India is resolved
According to https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/info-tech/sonys-ps5-trademark-dispute-in-india-resolved/article32963847.ece, the trademark issue in India is resolved. Could you please update the accordingly? (Currently, in chapter "Marketing and release" it states that the release in India maybe delayed due to trademark issue there.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.206.240.94 (talk) 17:54, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅. --M asem (t) 18:14, 4 November 2020 (UTC)


 * There is no primary reporting that justifies the claim that the trademark dispute led to the delay of the launch announcement for India. Have edited to reflect the most accurate information available in this regard. Pochonbro (talk) 10:07, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

South America
The article says that the PS5 will only release in TBA in South America. However, it was already released in Brazil. 201.26.54.254 (talk) 05:20, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 18:47, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Removed. It was released on November 19 and it is marked already as "Rest of the world". (CC) Tb hotch ™ 20:39, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

On sales
Only because I'm coming from trying to fix up the Wii page, I'm going to strongly causing about including every PS5 sales datapoint we can put into this article. First month records are good, but after that we should be focused on worldwide sales, otherwise this gets out of hand way too fast. --M asem (t) 21:17, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes the various PS4 sales tables always struck me as overkill. Never saw the need to go into that much detail. — Niche-gamer 10:12, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Some of the current ones at other articles should probably be trimmed back. Sergecross73   msg me  17:15, 5 December 2020 (UTC)


 * As a note, we can put sales data details as published by Sony in their quarterlies over at Commons, as I have done with the Wii sales date and probably will do eventually with all of Nintendo's newer consoles (see c:Data:Wii sales.tab) that data can then be pulled to make graphs in mainspace here (see Wii) and we can summarize key milestones. We can't do that with the Xbox line since MS will not release official sales #s.

Physical/Digital split
Using, say, the Famitsu data, should we summarise, perhaps in parentheses, that 88% of sales were of the disc-based system?

Infobox image
Currently, it is. The argument doesn’t appear to be “is it good”, but rather, “is it better than nothing”? The image creator says yes. I say no - it looks awful with half the footage being a floral curtain pattern and a coffee table or something. I think it looks terribly unprofessional for such a high traffic article.

Thoughts? Sergecross73  msg me  12:12, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I think it is better than nothing though perhaps we could go with a cropped version? Or perhaps even crop out the controller and just show the console so that there is not so much confusing backround detailing (like the floral pattern). Though hopefully this problem should solve itself if Evan-Amos gets round to photographing this generation of consoles. Regards  Spy-cicle💥   Talk? 13:36, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I have been looking daily for good PS5 free images and have zero luck. Sadly, there are two users on Flickr that have some, but one set appears to be flickr washed, and the other has been flagged at commons to block any images they provide. Evan Amos (the one that usually takes the console pictures) said their orders were likely delayed, so we're going to have to take what we can get until something better comes along. --M asem (t) 14:26, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I retook a photo last night and replaced it. How is it now? --Osh33m (talk) 17:17, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Better, but still not quite good enough. The domestic background still looks amateurish. What you need is a studio backdrop to place a solid color background behind the PS5.
 * Unfortunately, it's rare for amateur photographers to own their own backdrop, even a miniature tabletop one. Good backdrops are expensive, they take up lots of space, and they're a hassle to set up and use. I've shot photos for WP for 15 years and I still don't own one, since nearly all my WP photos are of natural scenery or building exteriors.  --Coolcaesar (talk) 18:16, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't have the resources to take a professional photograph like that. The closest thing I could do is unplug it and put it in front of the blank portion of a white wall. This picture is of a Ps5 in a home, similar to the Series X infobox image. With that being said, is this acceptable until we get one from Evan-Amos? --Osh33m (talk) 20:50, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Do you have a solid color bedsheet or similar? It doesn't have to be white, but something that simply hides the background and would be a neutral color against the PS5? (I see no problem with the curtain in the background in the newest image, it's clearly better than zero picture and its not like we're getting privacy details of the home here). --M asem  (t) 21:04, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I checked every bedroom in the house and I don't, unfortunately. The only other thing I could offer is to unplug it and move the table in front of the television, so that a picture could be taken with a black background. Although there could probably be a lot of reflection from the blank screen.
 * Honestly, if you are content with the current image, then I say let's keep it until we have something better from a professional. It actually did take quite a bit of effort for me to position it in that way without anything obstructive or distracting in the background. --Osh33m (talk) 04:39, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

9th Generation console.
Shouldn't the article say it the PS5 is a 9th gen console? I feel like it may confuse some newcomers. I know it confused me,when reading the article. Yeial (talk) 15:30, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Discussions are ongoing about how to handle it. Sergecross73   msg me  16:29, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Masem, Removing Region List Content
Why are you removing the regions to released of PlayStation 5, It is important to know the Wikipedia readers to Know the PlayStation 5 to be released in the other country. MeowMeowClub89792 (talk) 03:08, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * We don't list every region in existence, especially the way you were doing it, or it's overly long and excessive. We generally just list the major regions in relation to the subject and the English Wikipedia. Sergecross73   msg me  03:14, 18 January 2021 (UTC)


 * ( MeowMeowClub89792 (talk) 06:48, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The lead is meant to be a concise summary of the article. You would perhaps be better served adding it to the body under "Marketing and release" where the bulk of the release information is. redsparta  talk 08:44, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Error in chart
In the top chart on the article, under "Memory", it reads:

512 MB DDR4 RAM (for background tasks)[1]

This is incorrect. The 512 MB DDR4 RAM is a DRAM cache for the SSD. It's sitting right next to the SSD controller, after all, and the traces lead directly to it and nowhere else (you can see this in the article that was cited).

Now, Sony hasn't come out and said what that memory chip is for. So I can't prove that it is DRAM cache for the SSD, other than to say that it is the only thing that makes sense. But there is also no proof that it is "for background tasks", because Sony has not stated what the memory chip is for.

I propose that the text " (for background tasks)" be removed from the chart, on the grounds that there is no indication that this memory is used for background tasks, and there is indication that it is used for something else (it's memory for the SSD controller).

In a perfect world, the "512 MB DDR4 RAM" part would also be removed (we don't say that your computer has an extra 1GB of ram if you have an SSD with a DRAM cache), but that would cause an argument so I'm not asking for it to be removed.

208.59.186.236 (talk) 02:01, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

3D Audio
Sony has updated 3D audio on TV via firmware update https://www.whathifi.com/news/ps5-update-adds-3d-audio-through-tv-speakers https://www.techradar.com/news/ps5-3d-audio-is-being-unleashed-on-gaming-tvs-but-will-it-matter — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fishekali (talk • contribs) 11:00, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

APU Die Image
Unsure if this would be useful, but there's an image of the APU die on commons. --Mbrickn (talk) 00:29, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Hardware revision
In the "Hardware" section under "Hardware revisions" the article claims the new revision runs hotter, but this conclusion is based off false information and inaccurate testing methods. The test in question used a heat camera on the rear vent showing a higher heat output (which according to the laws of thermodynamics would mean more heat is being removed from the SoC) but anyone who knows anything about testing computer hardware knows that the proper way to test SoC thermals is by attaching a heat sensor at or near the SoC, which the test in question did not do. The tester also noted that the new revision is also quieter, because of how the PS5 handles thermals this would mean the main chip is cooler (as the fan ramps up when heat is higher, the PS5 doesn't throttle clocks due to heat so this does not factor in) which makes sense when looking at my previous point.

What I suggest is removing this unconfirmed information which is questionable at best until proper tests are conducted to confirm the actual state of the SoC in the new revision. Chrisxdxl (talk) 17:06, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ though the rest of the revision information is still visibly true. --M asem (t) 17:21, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, although ironically proper testing has just been published by Digital Foundry and Nexus Gamer confirming what I already suspected (I'm sure you are aware of this though as the article does now state this). I do agree that the rest of the information was still completely true, I was only referring to the heat situation. Thank you again for taking the time to read this and edit the article, I appreciate it. Chrisxdxl (talk) 23:37, 19 September 2021 (UTC)


 * With Digital Foundary, which is an RS itself, that report is sufficient to explain that there's no noticeable difference in the heat sink behavior, which has been added to the article already. --M asem (t) 23:45, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Region-based Save Data Transfer between games & accounts
Found on Insomniac Support: https://support.insomniac.games/hc/en-us/articles/360052412171-How-do-I-upload-transfer-my-save-from-PS4-to-PS5-

It appears when playing games from different regions with different account regions (eg.: Asian ver. Game with US account) reveals that some games must be in a same region as a region account we're using, like Insomniac Spider-Men series. It happens when I tried play Miles Morales Asian ver. in US account and try to transfer save data there. I fear that Avengers game is also have a same situation too. -- RexWill01 (talk) 05:58, 5 September 2021‎ (UTC)

Backward compatibility
How many PS4 games are available in digital download of PS5? Striker2020 (talk) 05:56, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

All PS4 games have a digital version at release to my knowledge, but some are no longer on the store (delisted), so if we take the total number of PS4 titles (3301) add PSVR (666), subtract the number of delisted games (162) and then subtract incompatible games (note this list reduces as backwards compatibility improves) that are still available on the store (6) then you get 3799. But we aren't done as their are PS2 and arcade games to consider as well, so we add PS2 games playable on PS4 (54) and then arcade games (172 "Arcade Archives", 108 "ACA Neo Geo" and 4 "Arcade Game Series") which gives us a total of 4137. This is still incomplete and only takes individual products into account, it does not account for a single product with multiple games (such as "Batman: Return to Arkham", "Bioshock: Collection" or "Arcade Classics Anniversary Edition" for example) as creating such a list would be a truly massive undertaking.

TLDR; 3799 or 4137 depending on if you include PS2 and arcade titles that are playable on PS4. Chrisxdxl (talk) 00:28, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

OS?
I have seen claims online that Sony have switched to using a Linux kernel. Considering the two previous models used a derivative of FreeBSD known as Orbis OS this appears to be big news. How true is this?

Bsdrevise (talk) 22:14, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Please direct your personal questions towards Google or whatever search engine you prefer. This is not what Wikipedia talk pages are for though. Sergecross73   msg me  02:56, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Though it is a fair bit of information to include if it were sourcable as to what OS the system software is based on. I just have never seen that before. --M asem (t) 03:05, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Agreed, though the wording of his request reads more like a personal question than someone working on how to write an encyclopedia entry... Sergecross73   msg me  03:45, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The fact I cannot find a credible source through a search engine is why I am here. I can find claims but no good sources. Considering the detail in this article I wondered if anyone here had a good source. It may be a personal question, but it is one that has relevance to the article and should be included if anyone has an answer to it. Also is it not a little rich to claim that I should use Google to direct personal questions when this is an encyclopedia entry? What is it here for if not to give people reading it information they did not previously know. Bsdrevise (talk) 11:25, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Per WP:TALK:
 * Stay on topic: Talk pages are for discussing the article, not for general conversation about the article's subject (much less other subjects). Keep discussions focused on how to improve the article. If you want to discuss the subject of an article, you can do so at Wikipedia:Reference desk instead. Comments that are plainly irrelevant are subject to archiving or removal.
 * I don't mean to be rude, but article talk pages are not help pages. Sergecross73   msg me  13:23, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You are being rude. The OS used by the system software is relevant to the article. If anyone has any information please update the article. If your advice is to use Google then do not bother, that is clearly being rude. Bsdrevise (talk) 14:02, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Come on, you literally already admitted it was a personal question above. Not that it matters. If you can't find the answer on Google, you're not going to be finding it by asking at an inappropriate venue either. Sergecross73   msg me  14:09, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The information would improve the article. It is a personal question but I do not see why that makes it an unsuitable basis for a discussion point. If I had phrased it another way would you have been so rude? I thought that by posting this someone who is an expert here may have noticed the omission and have had some information about it. Bsdrevise (talk) 14:17, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Description of Physical Console
The PS5 Console's

Hardware is described in the article, but not its physical description. Some things that could be added: Vtog (talk) 15:20, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
 * A description of what the console feels like (both physically and user experience-wise) for people who have never even seen a PS5 due to its rarity.

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 6 September 2020 and 6 December 2020. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): CaptainJoseph.

Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 02:25, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 February 2022
In the sidebar, "units shipped" the date is listed as "December 33, 2021," which is a date that does not exist. I don't know what the correct date is. 2601:645:980:2BF0:0:0:0:9A00 (talk) 01:27, 3 February 2022 (UTC)


 * ✅ It was the number announced in today's quarterlys for the period ending Dec 31. --M asem (t) 01:33, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done by Masim casualdejekyll  01:34, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Oops, ya beat me to it casualdejekyll  01:34, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

PlayStation 5 technical specifications
The PlayStation 4 has its own technical specifications page aka PlayStation 4 technical specifications so why not one for the PS5. CarverSindile (talk) 14:18, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:OSE, mainly. Additionally, these technical specification pages are already under review and generally seen as out of scope of the project. Many have been merged or redirected, and PS4's will likely too. -- ferret (talk) 14:26, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd hold off on that. WT:VG was just having a discussion recently that I believe was leaning towards getting rid of those sorts of articles. They generally don't comply with our policies and guidelines very well, but fly under the radar. Sergecross73   msg me  15:18, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I liked those articles. I liked reading them and looking at the specs. They seem to be in scope for the PS4 since they deal with the PS4. CarverSindile (talk) 16:35, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The problem is that Wikipedia needs to be written entirely according to what reliable sources verify. And what we consider reliable sources often don't cover a lot of that sort of nitty-gritty detail. Sergecross73   msg me  16:58, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Question: What reliable sources would be needed for those kind of articles and/or details?? CarverSindile (talk) 03:52, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:VG/S has a lot of examples of sources that are and aren't usable. Sergecross73   msg me  04:18, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I would suspect a lot of sources that would be able to cover the tech specs with these sources, the point is still that this level of detail is beyond the scope of WP's coverage. --M asem (t) 04:32, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

PS5 is not RDNA 2 it is NAVI with ray traced instruction sets
Misleading the system is not RDNA 2 no dot ops or dp4a etc and is a fork of NAVI 10** with HW accelerated ray tracing instructions 209.171.88.45 (talk) 00:13, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * We need a reliable source for that. --M asem (t) 00:48, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Changes to the Article [REQUEST]
I would like to add the following changes to the article. The changes are marked in bold. Many of them relate to grammar related issued.

--> Please change "A combined total of 118,082 PS5s were sold in Japan during its launch week making it the best-selling console in the country for that week.[123]" to "A combined total of 118,082 PS5s were sold in Japan during its launch week, making it the best-selling console in the country for that week.[123]".

--> Please change "Total shipments of PlayStation 5 reached 7.8 million by March 31, 2021, surpassing the 7.6 million units that the PlayStation 4 had shipped in its first two quarters of release.[129]" to "Total shipments of PlayStation 5 reached 7.8 million by March 31, 2021, surpassing the 7.6 million units that the PlayStation 4 had shipped in its first two-quarters of release.[129]".

--> Please change "Despite this, sales during fiscal year 2022 were forecast to increase to 22.6 million units.[133]" to "Despite this, sales during the fiscal year 2022 were forecast to increase to 22.6 million units.[133]"

Sms761 (talk) 22:03, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  03:42, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
 * In this instance "two quarters" is more correct than "two-,h49981eab0f8056ffquarters" since the source is talking about financial quarters 100.15.225.67 (talk) 16:12, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Alphabetize Supported streaming services
Alphabetizing the supported streaming services makes it significantly easier to see if a particular streaming service is supported or not.

The PlayStation 5 supports Popcornflix, Crackle, Crunchyroll, Niconico, AbemaTV, YouTube, YouTube TV, Netflix, Red Bull TV, Disney+, Star+, Spotify, TuneIn, iHeartRadio, Pandora, Anghami, YuppTV, Plex, Mubi, the Apple TV app, Apple Music, Okko, Emby, Amazon Prime Video, Twitch, IMDb TV, the NFL TV app, BBC iPlayer, ITV Hub, All 4, Viaplay, Blim TV, 7plus, 9Now, Stan, Foxtel Now, Kayo Sports, TVNZ OnDemand, Curiosity Stream, Crave, Paramount+, the Showtime app, Pluto TV, My5, ABC iview, Neon, Videoland, Tubi, Hulu, NOW, Sky Go, Peacock, Vudu, HBO Max, DAZN, Showmax and MyCanal, while support for other streaming services has been pledged...

would change to:

The PlayStation 5 supports 7plus, 9Now, ABC iview, AbemaTV, All 4, Amazon Prime Video, Anghami, Apple Music, the Apple TV app, BBC iPlayer, Blim TV, Crackle, Crave, Crunchyroll, Curiosity Stream, DAZN, Disney+, Emby, Foxtel Now, HBO Max, Hulu, iHeartRadio, IMDb TV, ITV Hub, Kayo Sports, Mubi, My5, MyCanal, Neon, Netflix, the NFL TV app, Niconico, NOW, Okko, Pandora, Paramount+, Peacock, Plex, Pluto TV, Popcornflix, Red Bull TV, Showmax, the Showtime app, Sky Go, Spotify, Stan, Star+, TVNZ OnDemand, Tubi, TuneIn, Twitch, Viaplay, Videoland, Vudu, YouTube TV, YouTube, and YuppTV while support for other streaming services has been pledged... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.15.225.67 (talk) 14:51, June 6, 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ — CAPTAIN JTK (talk) 13:28, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Scalping link
I can’t edit but the scalping link under sales links to the wrong type of scalping(finance scalping in markets rather than normal scalping) 2600:4040:2CB9:1B00:830:6BA1:1388:D6EB (talk) 17:50, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Article Image
In the PS5 of the article image, you can clearly see somebody taking a photo with their phone of it in the reflection. Please replace the photo with something more official looking. Perhaps this. Howardcorn33 (talk) 23:29, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅. Jirka.h23 (talk) 09:33, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Undone. The non-transparency of this image, as well as being a different model, is a overall worse image than the prior one, reflection notwithstanding. -- ferret (talk) 23:07, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I think that non-transparency is notwithstanding, it has a better angle and is sharper, why is transparency so much important? Is it somewhere in the Wikipedia policy? Jirka.h23 (talk) 09:45, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I have changed the image to a transparent background. Jirka.h23 (talk) 12:11, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
 * You're really supposed to follow WP:BRD here... Sergecross73   msg me  13:01, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
 * While is possible that one can see the reflection of the photographer in the bezel, it is so distorted that there is really no problem with it. And replacing it with a disc less version is not great. M asem (t) 13:50, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
 * That first picture is really awful, it is blurred, with hand reflections and the angle is so bad that you can't see how wide the console actually is. The second one seems much better to me (and it doesn't matter what version it is, because the difference is mainly on the right side, which is not very visible). Jirka.h23 (talk) 13:58, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm in favor of returning the image back to the previous one. The new one is a digital version and the previous one was the standard edition. That alone is enough reason to revert. Are there any objections? --Osh33m (talk) 16:49, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

"PlayStation 5 Pro" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect PlayStation 5 Pro and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 31 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Pizzaplayer219TalkContribs 21:19, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

PS5 Article
The PS5 should have a Wikipedia called this: "PlayStation 5 technical specifications" The PS4 has one so why not the PS5? CarverSindile (talk) 13:12, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

The Standard PS5
The PlayStation 5 (PS5 price) is a video game console developed by Sony Interactive Entertainment. The standard PS5 model was released on November 12, 2020, in select regions, and on November 19, 2020, globally. Here are some key features and specifications of the standard PS5: Design: The standard PS5 disc edition features a sleek, modern design with a black and white color scheme. It is larger than the PS4 and stands vertically. Processor and Graphics: The PS5 Amazon is powered by a custom AMD Zen 2 processor with 8 cores at 3.5GHz and an AMD RDNA 2 GPU with 36 compute units at 2.23GHz. This provides improved performance and graphics capabilities over the previous generation. Storage: The standard PS5 comes with an 825GB solid-state drive (SSD) for storage. This provides faster load times and improved overall system performance compared to traditional hard drives. Games: The PS5 is compatible with most PS4 games and features a growing library of new games designed specifically for the console. Some notable titles include Spider-Man: Miles Morales, Demon's Souls, and Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart. Controller: The PS5 features a new controller called the DualSense, which includes haptic feedback and adaptive triggers for a more immersive gaming experience. Overall, the standard PS5 is a powerful and capable gaming console that provides an excellent gaming experience with improved performance, graphics, and load times. Muneeb68gc (talk) 12:28, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 April 2023
Add a PlayStation 4 hyperlink (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_4) at the bottom of the PS5 info bar on the right, beside the word "Predecessor". JJAsond2 (talk) 21:51, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: already linked in the article. M.Bitton (talk) 22:15, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 May 2023
Edit the Opening to rename the Disc model from "base model" to "standard model." This fits better as it is not the cheapest SKU, which base model implies Heliophane (talk) 15:09, 11 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. voorts (talk/contributions) 03:18, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Typo
If you already lock the article, you might as well read **once** over it afterwards

Like, how can it be, that an article this big contains a sentence like:

Cerny stated "we don't want the player to have to boot the game, see what's up, boot the game, see what's up", so all of these options are "visible in the UI".

It's even a quote 🙄 185.17.14.5 (talk) 09:16, 2 July 2023 (UTC)


 * "Reviewing the whole article for minor errors" is not part of the page protection process, FYI. Sergecross73   msg me  12:58, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Lead image is really bad
There's absolutely no way to tell what the console would actually look like if you had one in the room with you, wouldn't a diagonal view be much better? Orchastrattor (talk) 22:56, 18 June 2023 (UTC)


 * This is the only currently available free image we have of the normal PS5 base model. -- ferret (talk) 23:18, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
 * That hurts my feelings. But the picture we have now is much better. --Osh33m (talk) 23:09, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

New PS5 image
I've taken the liberty of uploading a new of the PS5 to Wikimedia Commons. The was not something I would consider qualitied. If anyone has anything to say about the new image, please tell me. I intend on removing every trace of the old image from Wikipedia. Howardcorn33 (talk) 10:25, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The original picture was mine, and for two years it seemed like the only available picture at the time. But I think the picture we have now is much better. --Osh33m (talk) 23:10, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Adaptive Triggers
"The DualSense controller has adaptive triggers with force feedback through voice coil actuators that can change the resistance to the player as necessary, supporting experiences such as virtually drawing an arrow from a bow."

The cited source for this states the voice coil actuators are a separate-something. In reality, the Adaptive Triggers utilize DC motors (with "worm gears") to vary trigger resistance. The DualShock/DualSense Wikipedia article states this correctly, and should be changed here accordingly.

While were at it, "virtually drawing an arrow from a bow" doesn't quite convey what's being done for the player/user. I'd suggest adding "and allowing the player to feel the tension of the string being drawn", or something like that. Also, is "drawing an arrow from a bow" the correct language for the act of readying an arrow on a bow string? I guess I feel like it should ultimately read: "virtually drawing the string of a bow, in order to fire an arrow, and conveying the tension of the string to the player through the trigger". 2600:6C40:600:1B62:D028:54F4:7393:B94B (talk) 07:02, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 September 2023
I want to edit "This feedback was fed into the priorities for the console development team. In the development of the PlayStation 5, a key issue was the length of loading times for games."

My request is to change it to "This feedback directly influenced the priorities of the console development team. During the development of the PlayStation 5, a central challenge revolved around addressing the length of loading times for games. DShetty03 (talk) 17:04, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 00:36, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Graphics is RDNA 2 or RDNA 1
My opinion is that before the PS5 console was released, Sony announced it as RDNA 2-based, but the specifications were changed and the actual console has Custom RDNA 1.

Prior to the launch of the PS5 console, Sony announced that it was RDNA 2-based. >AMD Radeon™ RDNA 2-based graphics engine

>Ray Tracing Acceleration

>Variable frequency, up to 2.23 GHz (10.3 TFLOPS)

https://blog.playstation.com/2020/03/18/unveiling-new-details-of-playstation-5-hardware-technical-specs/

However, the Specifications in the console manual it as RDNA-based.

>GPU: 10 TFLOPS, AMD Radeon™ RDNA-based graphics engine

https://www.playstation.com/content/dam/global_pdc/en/corporate/support/manuals/ps5-docs/1200a/EN_FR_ES_AMER_CFI-1215A_Safety_Guide_Web_01.pdf

@Ferret said "RDNA 2" belongs to the "RDNA" family, so the "2" was omitted. Plus reliable sources of disassembly information. https://hothardware.com/news/sony-playstation-5-independent-teardown-ifixit

In my opinion, the CPU is listed as AMD Ryzen "Zen2" and will not be unintentionally omitted. As for the disassembly source, iFixit seems to have believed Sony's announcement. At least it is not stamped on the CHIP.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version) つきみんく (talk) 03:07, 2 October 2023 (UTC)


 * You're putting a lot of weight on a basic specification table that simply omits a version number, versus numerous reliable sources and public announcements by Sony. There is zero reason to believe this console actually contains a RDNA 1 and Sony stated the wrong thing repeatedly over the years. You may not be aware, but the only RDNA integrated Zen2 APUs use RDNA 2. There are no RDNA 1 Zen2 APUs. And, AMD themselves claim it's RDNA 2.-- ferret (talk) 12:42, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree that Sony and AMD have announced in the past that they will adopt RDNA 2. I have looked for announced by the company in the 2023 and I'm not found any. The most recent source I could find is the basic specification. つきみんく (talk) 09:20, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * .... The tweet I linked is from 2021, after the console was released in 2020. This was not a "plan to adopt". -- ferret (talk) 13:20, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * There actually is 1 Zen 2 APU that doesn't support the full RDNA 2 feature set: the one in the PlayStation 5, its a custom chip. Yeah, it isn't a clean RDNA 1 platform either as it supports *most* of RDNA 2's capabilities, but if you'd want to run something that used the full capabilities of RDNA 2 on it, it wouldn't work.--YannickFran (talk) 07:40, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Correct, it's a custom solution from early in RDNA2's release, but even there the developer says "Based on RDNA2 with more features added". To call it based on RDNA1 when all reliable sourcing says RDNA2 would be a WP:V failure. -- ferret (talk) 13:58, 11 October 2023 (UTC)