Talk:Rachel Levine

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 September 2023
From: Health and Human Services Commemorating the First Openly Transgender Four-Star Officer and First Female Four-Star Admiral

To: Health and Human Services Commemorating the First Openly Transgender Four-Star Officer and First Male-to-Female Four-Star Admiral.

This is confusing because while she is a woman, she is not female by the literal definition. Without the context of male to female, it suggests she is a female from birth. Stating that she is the first female four-star general is factually inaccurate by definition and does a great disservice to literal females from birth who may hold a four-star position in the future.

I like to hold wikipedia to a high standard and expect it to be accurate. So until, or unless the definition is changed, I petition the page to make the correction for the accuracies sake

Define:female Female: adjective of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes.

Thank you! 2601:18D:780:4F60:8DAA:23D9:68CA:FBFA (talk) 03:28, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * --the cited source says First Female Four-Star Admiral of the U.S. Public Health Service Commissioned Corps, so we do too. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 04:08, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Wow, so, without taking a position on the issue - just a point of clarification - is it the policy of Wikipedia to print things that are factually inaccurate as long as they are factually inaccurate in the cited source? Because that's the direct implication of the reason you gave here. 14.167.152.58 (talk) 16:58, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia doesn't publish original analysis, but rather independently verifiable information. You may think that the information published in reliable sources is "factually inaccurate" but we do not trust you to make that assessment. If this is a good-faith question, you may get something out of reading the essay WP:TRUTH. Generalrelative (talk) 17:05, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Congratulations Wikipedia you have successfully and indefinitely destroyed your credibility. 2604:3D08:D183:5500:8073:F176:3FF2:256A (talk) 06:37, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
 * And we are heartbroken about it. Primefac (talk) 06:54, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I posted a relevant comment in this thread in response to "Generalrelative" and it was removed with the comment "Nope, not a chat room." Is this considered reasonable?  This is the "Talk" page.  This is where we talk.  I was not "chatting" casually.  I was challenging the application of this standard.  Where am I supposed to talk about the content of this page if it's not allowed here? 113.166.213.203 (talk) 07:30, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * A request was made and declined. A pointy question was then asked with the intention of trying to trick us into admitting... something... for which we did not take the bait. A ramble was then written and removed for being unnecessary. At a certain point the stick needs to be dropped, and jamie apparently felt that the stick just needed to be taken away. If you like I can formally close/hat this discussion, but either way I'm pretty sure future responses will either be ignored or removed. Primefac (talk) 07:42, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Criticism
She is constantly being criticized. Someone should add a criticism section in this article. 2A01:E0A:57D:48E0:B095:1B41:B30F:2A78 (talk) 08:43, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * All content, regardless of whether it is positive or negative, must be supported by reliable sources. If there is enough content to merit a full section, then a full section can be included. Otherwise, it will likely just be added in as a single sentence (or two). Primefac (talk) 09:39, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Birth Name
I added the birth name to this article in the infobox section as is standard wikipedia practice with anyone who changes their name. It was subsequently reverted, I am not sure I understand the justification for this. There is no reason to remove a birth name from an article because it is not the commonly used name of the individual. Magjozs (talk) 01:46, 3 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @Magjozs please see MOS:DEADNAME, which not only explains our policy but speaks to this page specifically. Innisfree987 (talk) 01:50, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Please also take note of the template at the top of this page that says, "Discussions on this page often lead to previous arguments being restated. Please read recent comments, look in the archives, and review the FAQ before commenting." Indeed this question is answered in the FAQs. Innisfree987 (talk) 01:55, 3 March 2024 (UTC)