Talk:Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart

Semi-protected edit request on 13 June 2020
Ratchet and clank Rift apart is a sequel to "Ratchet and clank into the nexus" 73.23.88.122 (talk) 04:04, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.  JTP (talk • contribs) 04:49, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Ratchet & Clank Rift and a Par and Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart 106.70.45.125 (talk) 10:32, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 June 2020
According to the article, it states that it is a sequel to 2016 ratchet and clank game which is a remake of the 1st game. So Instead it should changed as the sequel to the 2013 game Ratchet and Clank: Into the Nexus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.4.54.140 (talk • contribs) 11:46, 13 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The source currently cited within the article specifically states that this is "a sequel to the 2016 remake/reboot of the series". &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 20:05, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 June 2020
Fair warning, this request will be long so as to state and discuss all the evidence to support it.

This is a request, similar to the two above, to alter the article's statement that Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart is the sequel to the 2016 Ratchet & Clank (the "re-imagining" of the original 2002 game), either changing the information to it being a sequel to Into the Nexus or removing the statement altogether.

IGN is the only source stating that Rift Apart is a sequel to the 2016 game, with no references from Insomniac themselves. It is also worth nothing that recently, prior to an update made as a result of Insomniac responding to them, semi-false claims regarding Spider-Man: Miles Morales were made by IGN, Insomniac's other planned title for the PlayStation 5 console. Real-world evidence that contradicts IGN's statement of the 2016 Ratchet and Clank game being a reboot are other statements made by Insomniac themselves in 2016 and 2018.

When asked in early 2016 by Push Square if Ratchet and Clank (2016) would "render the original story non-canonical", Insomniac's studio director Chad Dezern stated that Insomniac "didn't set out to rework the canon" and that "the Future series is still canon with everything else subsequently assuming part of the canon as well", with the re-imagined game only meant to be a "cleaner retelling of sorts".

A panel done at the 2018 Game Developers Conference revealed that Insomniac's real-world choice to make Qwark the game's unreliable narrator stemmed from how wildly the film the 2016 game was based on diverged from the canon of the original game. Insomniac's stance on Ratchet & Clank canon was reinforced in an interview between their community director James Stevenson by the staff of a Ratchet and Clank wikia in 2018, with said wikia interpreting the film and its tie-in game as in-universe fictional accounts of the original 2002 game thereafter, but that any information within the 2016 film and game that does not contradict the original 2002 title is at least partially canon, such as names or holocard descriptions. The portion of the interview that discussed the canonicity of the PlayStation 4 title is below.

Ratchet and Clank Wiki: "Our theory of current canon is that the events of the Ratchet & Clank movie are a holo-film made within the canon Ratchet universe, Ratchet & Clank PS2 has the real events, and Ratchet & Clank PS4 is Qwark's story of it. Is this right?"

James Stevenson: "Your understanding of it is one way of looking at it, the PS4 game is certainly Qwark's version of events."

Ratchet and Clank Wiki: "We know that Qwark said in the game 'they're making a game based on a holo-film based on my life?', which made us think the 'my life' was in reference to the events of the original Ratchet & Clank-- not sure if that was something done deliberately?"

James Stevenson: "I think you can sort of interpret it that way, though I don't think we have any sort of official stance on if the film is that actual holo-film Qwark references, if that makes sense."

Ratchet and Clank Wiki: "In summary, is it safe to assume, until we know what your next Ratchet title is, that the R&C film and PS4 reboots exist independently of the R&C PS2 game, and just have their own canon? Though as has been stated the basic main 'points' of the story remain (Drek even succumbs to more-or-less the same fate), Nefarious' backstory is different between the two?"

James Stevenson: "I think I've discussed how they all fit within one canon as different points of view of the same basic story. If I were you all, I'd probably seperate them into PS4 / Film story vs existing mainline story - to account the discrepancies, if something like that makes sense. Acknowledge those while still trying to be as inclusive of the games as possible."

Ratchet and Clank Wiki: "Can we assume that character names from R&C PS4 apply only to the PS4 reboot, or do they carry over to R&C PS2? ie the Holocard calls Skid's agent 'Don Wonderstar', does that apply to R&C PS2?"

James Stevenson: "Names would carry over, I think, if you're talking about a holistic universe. But Qwark's memory is foggy!"

Ratchet and Clank Wiki: Is it just assumed that every weapon in R&C reboot, including ones that originally came from other games, is manufactured by Gadgetron (or Nefarious and the blarg), or by their original manufacturer?

James Stevenson: "No official opinion on this. I guess I'd also say we didn't really change the backstories of the weapons, so one could assume Gadgetron is just vending weapons from other companies."

Insomniac also stated multiple times back in 2014 and 2015 via Twitter that the 2016 game would not be a reboot or "re-start" of the series.

In-game evidence that Rift Apart is not part of a "reboot series" as stated by the template is, beyond how the 2016 game references other games in the series by name in its holocard data, which would be contradictory to its own newer canon if it were to be a complete reboot. The initial gameplay for Rift Apart has Clank asking "Did Dr. Nefarious really resurface after all these years...just to try to take over the universe...again?" heavily implying that Ratchet and Clank are much more familiar with him than their reboot interpretations were. The early footage for the game in general directly references earlier games such as the Thugs-4-Less army (introduced in Going Commando and returning in Into the Nexus) and the planets Ardolis and Sargasso (both from Tools of Destruction). The concept of dimensional traveling was also alluded to in both Tools of Destruction (as a plot element) and Into the Nexus (as both a plot and gameplay element).

In short, the 2016 game did not launch a new canon for the series that Rift Apart is included in. Please edit both its page and any pages related to it accordingly.

--"BlurryDawgo"/anonymous user 82.25.80.50 (talk) 22:12, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yellow check.svg Partly done: Changed to "it will be the first game in the series since the release of Ratchet & Clank in 2016" since there is doubt about the game's timeline. OceanHok (talk) 16:11, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 June 2020
It hasn't been confirmed that the game is a sequel to the 2016 reimagining, and from the limited knowledge that is available at the time it seems that it'll be a sequel to Ratchet and Clank: into the Nexus from 2013. Trusiek placek (talk) 08:51, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yellow check.svg Partly done: Changed to "it will be the first game in the series since the release of Ratchet & Clank in 2016" since there is doubt about the game's timeline. OceanHok (talk) 16:11, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 June 2020
Insomniac Games has not clarified yet if the game will be a sequel of the 2016 remake or Into the Nexus. In the press material for IGN there aren't clues. Here the source, in an article that examine the trailer, published today:

https://it.ign.com/ratchet-clank-rift-apart-ps5/170245/feature/ratchet-clank-tornano-su-playstation-5-con-unavventura-pronta-a-dividerli

I've changed the Series page but this is blocked. Someone can fix it with the actual doubt? From the trailer, as a fan of the series, it seems a sequel of Into the Nxus, there are planet from the Future Saga and other details that seems to confirm it. We'll see. Thanks! 95.239.91.224 (talk) 14:35, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yellow check.svg Partly done: Changed to "it will be the first game in the series since the release of Ratchet & Clank in 2016" should there be any doubt about the game's timeline. OceanHok (talk) 16:11, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2020
Change "The main playable character is Ratchet." to "The main playable character is Ratchet, however, the female lombax from the game's reveal trailer will also be playable." Source: https://twitter.com/insomniacgames/status/1272998779948580864?s=20 NorbiZsemi (talk) 15:36, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Green check.svg Done: Added a USgamer source to support this. OceanHok (talk) 16:11, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Plot
Will anybody else going to add plots just for the story? Mwaraiieth (talk) 12:30, 11 June 2021 (UTC)