Talk:Red and Black Cafe

"Vegan mini-mall"?
I placed the clarify tag. I'm sorry, but even as a former vegan I have no idea what a vegan mini-mall is. The idea makes me laugh actually, like it's something you would find being sent up in Portlandia. Can that at least be cited? At first glance I assume it is a group of two or three shops that sell animal-free products such as pleather shoes, cruelty free body care, and food. And I see by the link provided in the reversion that this is true. I'm a former vegan, but many readers (not everyone lives in Portland, or the U.S.) are going to have no idea what the heck a vegan mini-mall is (let alone a vegan). (It even used to say "the" vegan mini-mall, as if everyone shared the author's worldview, but I changed that.) I know sofixit. Maybe I will, but the burden should first be on the person who placed the info in the article. Note that the Trib article states that "It is, in essence, a vegan mini-mall". Unless the place is called, officially The Vegan Mini-Mall, the phrase should probably be reworded (and cited) to say, "the cafe is located among several other vegan-oriented businesses". Also I never realized there were vegan tattoos, so maybe there should be a brief expansion about what sorts of businesses are considered vegan. Please think of the causal reader from mid-America and not just the initiated/young/hip etc. Valfontis (talk) 22:43, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You've got the idea. The "mini-mall" is a small cluster of vegan shops housed in a single building about a block south of the cafe. The article doesn't mention Red & Black and I don't think it's particularly important to include mention of it at all, other than to describe the culture of the neighborhood the cafe can be found in. I like your language better though and would go along with a reword or doing away with the mention entirely. Cheers, Gobōnobo  + c 23:54, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

closed?
When and why did this place close down? Seems like pretty relevant information that is missing from the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.96.60.123 (talk) 01:15, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
 * The mention of the closure is footnoted - read the source article to find out more. If that doesn't satisfy you, please do some research and improve the article. Wikipedia depends on people like you adding things they feel are missing. Thank you. -   Metalello    talk 01:20, 8 October 2016 (UTC)