Talk:Scam

wrong redirection of "scam" term, Is this vandalism? Please reinstate "scam" in below meaning in area of Internet and computers
The scam is commony used in internet and computer slang. Below I enclose automated translation of other language version of "scam" term. I think easiest would be to place it here around. I am not sure but when such important term as "scam" has disappeared I would suspect an act of intentional vandalism, or unintentional damage of Wikipedia content. "Scam" also can have more meanings wht perhaps would be a solution and acceptable compromise. Below translation, sorry automated, so may need some corrections. Scam is not the same thing as a con and should not be displayed on the page entitled 'confidence trick'

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Scam definition
 'Scam' - the act of introducing someone in error by the suggestion that he is the beneficiary of a good, mostly financial. The purpose of this activity is to carry out difficult to prove fraud. Scam is the most common form of correspondence in the form of traditional or electronic - the variety of spam.

mail/spam scam
With its content, it's (usually implies that) probably the allegedly mistaken addressing of that correspondence.

Web Pages scam
Another forms of scam are websites that offer high returns and very valuable information most often in exchange for a small contribution of investment (HYIP). It could also be filling in questionnaires, data entry online and receive by e-mail ads (GPT). There is also a lot of matrimonial agencies (mainly in Russia), whose goal is to enlist as many people (SCAM VICTIM) in order to extort money from them for alleged visa and travel to beautiful women known via the Internet. When registering for this type of site required e-mail address, so it is often the cause of a large number of spam in mailbox.

In some cases, the party initially pays that later transformed into a scam, be more profitable. After a short time scam disappears from the network or announces change of ownership, which in reality does not necessarily occurred.

Scam on the Shareaza
An example of the active scam page scamowej (at 2007-12-23) is site available at www.shareaza.com, a previous project home page of known P2P network client. This is an example where, following the acquisition of a known location by unknown individuals, there is a trap for unsuspecting and unwary surfer. In this case it is an incentive to download the file "shareazaV4.exe" or respectivly v5,v6 etc., which manages the installer of commonly known software of Shareaza.

The potential hazard to the user may provide the following indications:

1) The site (by software authors) has lost its old structure, have disappeared: discussion forums, sub, languages - in a word almost everything - left was just minimum site with the option "download", 2) site layout uses a distorted image elements of the original page, note the deformed logo which is "similar" 3) There is no way of checking who maintains and creates what is on the page, any communication between interested in persons has been cut off. 4) elements of the site to which everyone is accustomed are to appear soon ("...coming soon..."), 5) file name of "shareazaV5.exe" for download only recalls the original files such as "Shareaza_2.2.5.0.exe. 6) In consequesces of using site or downloaded file scammed person give scammers personal data including card numbers and is to pay money. They can't be claimed as there is no real adress to where they are paid or even phone of receiver.

In fact, the real service operates at http://shareaza.sourceforge.net/. It is instructive to compare the original and the scam site.

Scam on the Ebay
Scamu on ebay example, are those offering mysterious ways, supposedly allowing for earning a few thousand dollars in one day, without leaving home and the issue of extra money. In addition to the description of the auction shall be accompanied by photographs vendor, with a very elegant car or home.

Examples of ways, at a price of $ 30:

1. Buy e-book for $ 10 from someone 2. Obrób his program for $ 300 3. Purchasing a server for $ 500 4. Create a page to promote e-book.

Method Two: Earn money by Forex

The third way: Sell jewelry, homemade.

Scam in online games
Scam in online games takes place during the exchange of objects. The seller and the buyer opens a window replacement, the seller shall issue a valuable item, the buyer shall issue an appropriate amount of cash, including changing the type when a valuable item on a much smaller value, but not different in appearance. Players approve the exchange, and the buyer instead of the desired item got the trash in equipment and lost considerable sum of money. The seller retains the item and the money. <<<

In above "scam" article contains different, but lost, meaning and the knowledge very important to let people to know what they risk with scam. The lack of this article is serious lost for Wikipedia content IMHO, and lack of description of common problem of "scam" and "scammers". I'd be very happy for reinstating it. Greetings to all wikipedists.

what!? has anyone here ever heard of "short-changing"?
the most common form (i would imagine) of confidence tricks is short-changing (a.k.a quick-changing). it seems odd that this is not mentioned here, or that it doesn't have it's own aricle entry. someone listed a very petty version of it in the listed cons, but that is nowhere sufficient. the only idea i can think of is that somebody (administrator perhaps), wouldn't allow this in the article because it would encourage people to try it, because of it's relative ease to commit. anyone? Helio462

I'm so angry I don't have to pay you????
This paragraph is the first under "Other Confidence Tricks" and, in my opinion, comes across very soapbox-y and personal. Certainly, there's no reference offered to this particular "scam." I think it should be removed, but I'm new to this and therefore not sure if I should go ahead and do it or leave it those who have been responsible for editing this page so far. Also, the author seems like the kinda person who I wouldn't want to piss off, even in cyberspace. Please advise. Thanks.guinevere34

Requested move 23 November 2023

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Page moved. I count 9–4 in support. Looking at the strength of arguments, the Ngram shows "scam" dominant since the 1990s and over most of the past two centuries. I see "scam" 290 times in List of confidence tricks while "trick" appears just 44 times. Checking another, Confidence tricks in film and television: scam 49, trick 18. Wikipedia seems to use the terms interchangably; scam more often. – wbm1058 (talk) 03:17, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Confidence trick → Scam – As per WP:COMMONNAME, the name "scam" is used more commonly in news media. Félix An (talk) 03:42, 23 November 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 15:44, 30 November 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 18:46, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support Félix An (talk) 03:42, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 08:07, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Oppose A scam can have many definitions. In the most common sense in the English language (especially North America) it almost always refers to fraud. The word "scam" can also refer to deception that isn’t illegal, or something that is not advertised right. Confidence trick is the universal definition of any type of meticulously crafted fraud that isn’t a zero-sum game.
 * 2605:8D80:404:F690:B960:60B1:96F0:C91C (talk) 15:45, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:COMMONNAME. 120.28.224.32 (talk) 21:10, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Oppose per above. Scam has more meanings than just a confidence trick. Scam (disambiguation) should be moved to Scam. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:23, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. 120.28.224.32 (talk) 01:35, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Duplicate !vote struck. BD2412  T 19:27, 30 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per above. I am actually shocked that this was not changed before now. Scam is clearly the more common name to the relatively unknown term "confidence trick." aaronneallucas (talk) 20:32, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose A confidence trick is a type of scam, but not all scams are confident tricks; the latter has a broader scope. OhNo itsJamie Talk 21:10, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose confidence tricks are a type of scam, not the reverse. Move the disambiguation to the base location -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 13:33, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support. The opposers keep saying that confidence tricks are a type of scam. But that's not a problem as long as we broaden the subject of this article to include other types of scams. And since scam already redirects here, such a broadening of scope is quite appropriate.  Arbitrarily0   ( talk ) 15:58, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support I am astonished that scam redirects to confidence trick. I believe modern usage would indicate that scam itself should be the common name, if we support merging the topics as noted above by Arbitrarily0, which seems reasonable. (trends ngram both seem fairly solid, although that may be disingenuous as they still are different terms) ASUKITE 19:35, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. AKK  700  02:45, 9 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per Arbitrarily0
 * /magnesium Judeinator9001 (talk) 23:38, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * /magnesium Judeinator9001 (talk) 23:38, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Support per nom. LOOKSQUARE (👤️·🗨️) talk 21:39, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Clarification
Regarding the sentence "A confidence trick is an attempt to defraud a person or group after first gaining their trust."

Do the words in the sentence "person or group" pertain to the victim(s) or to the perpetrator(s)? Luigi.a.cruz (talk) 15:45, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Obviously the victims. Kailash29792 (talk)  11:00, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Professional Wrestling in "see also"
Professional wrestling isn't a scam. Audiences don't think that everything is organic (i.e. they are not being tricked), they just suspend disbelief because it's fun.

Any other opinions? It seems like an inappropriate inclusion to me. Marcus Truman, local clown (talk) 14:25, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Agreed, removed it. OhNo itsJamie Talk 14:29, 13 March 2024 (UTC)