Talk:Schizotypal personality disorder

Diagnostic criteria
With regard to the discussion at Talk:Narcissistic personality disorder, I've removed the cut-and-pasted diagnostic criteria from this page as copyright violations. Those responsible for the DSM-IV, at any rate, have refused us permission to quote them. The excised text appears at the links in the references section. Vashti 02:53, 8 February 2006 (UTC)


 * "Odd beliefs or magical thinking, influencing behavior and inconsistent with subcultural norms" so you're not crazy if you are the same crazy as everyone around you.137.205.101.81 (talk) 08:52, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

The "diagnosis" section has few sources, the only real one being the DSM-V. Finding and applying more sources here would be beneficial. --Whp053 (talk) 16:33, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

DSM4 or ICD10 names?
Wikipedia is based in the US, so it uses the DSM-IV names for things, not the ICD10 names. I've reverted and moved the page back. Vashti 06:53, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No we don't have a use US names policy. We use the most common name. See Manual_of_Style amongst other things. Secretlondon 15:44, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Sob, and it seemed like such a good theory. I'm pretty certain this is still the most common name, though. Vashti 19:48, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Link to Schizophrenia?
What, if any, link is there between Schizotypal personality disorder and Schizophrenia? 24.107.65.232 (talk) 04:17, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * They're on a continuum, with schizophrenia being severe and StPD being moderate. However, this isn't a discussion page. Vashti (talk) 09:56, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Creativity and Schizophrenia
I would think some mention of the links between schizotypy and creativity, and links between schizotypy and schizophrenia would be fully appropriate for the article. I'm not a specialist in this area but a quick google scholar search reveals there is a good amount of peer-reviewed literature available on both topics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.81.98.160 (talk) 20:19, 4 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Have a look over at Schizotypy; that discussion may be more appropriate there. :) Vashti (talk) 17:59, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Copyright problems with diagnostic criteria
The American Psychiatric Association has not released its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders into public domain, but claims copyright. The Wikimedia Foundation has received a letter of complaint (2010030910040817, for those with access) about the use of their diagnostic criteria in this and a number of other articles. Currently, this content is blanked pending investigation, which will last approximately one week. Please feel free to provide input at the copyright problems board listing during that time. Individuals with access to the books would be particularly welcome in helping to conduct the investigation. Assistance developing a plan to prevent misuse of the APA's material on Wikipedia projects would also be welcome. Thank you. Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:54, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Points to Consider
Conventionality varies from culture to culture, and "schizotypal" is a highly biased diagnosis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.93.64.94 (talk) 03:31, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Many of the sources are primary sources, which aren't acceptable here, but lots of facts have multiple (2 or 3) primary sources supporting them. Finding secondary sources or removing the facts only supported by one primary source would be beneficial.--Whp053 (talk) 16:30, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Adding a "history" section to briefly explain the disorder's evolution, perhaps through how it has been defined in previous DSM editions, would help strengthen this article. Other psychological disorder pages have a history section.--Whp053 (talk) 16:39, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Treatment
Someone needs to add a section on treatment to this article, I'd say. 58.111.224.202 (talk) 15:58, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes! WHERE is the treatment section on this one? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.79.135.74 (talk) 03:12, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

i went ahead and added a "treatment" section to this article....however, I lifted it wholesale from here: http://www.minddisorders.com/Py-Z/Schizotypal-personality-disorder.html

if someone can clean this up a little, I would appreciate it. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.79.135.32 (talk) 16:52, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * "lift it wholesale from" sounds to me as a clear case of copyright violation. Please rewrite everything, otherwise it needs to go.  Lova Falk     talk   17:31, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * When clear copyright violations are introduced to article, please just go ahead and revert them. That saves other sites from copying the content, increasing damages to the source. Thanks. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:21, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed
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Etymology
According to this book, Sandor Rado coined the term as a condensation of schizophrenic phenotype, not genotype.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=5bAPxqDyFxUC&pg=PA699&lpg=PA699&dq=sandor+rado+schizotypal&source=bl&ots=zIur6xrIZH&sig=YHK6AZKf_rtlm7F0vn66dSjFwCg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=VjwVUbLVOJGo0AX64IDACA&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=sandor%20rado%20schizotypal&f=false

Anyone know any more about this? Zchahe7 (talk) 18:06, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Revert
Reverted to https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Schizotypal_personality_disorder&oldid=549637340 from 4/10/13.

Reasons for reverting: poor content added, reads amateurish; lacking professional tone, incorrect symptoms listed for SPD without citations, broad gender-based generalizations without citations, numerous grammatical errors, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.7.33.186 (talk • contribs) 11:21, 20 April 2013‎
 * Thank you! I fully agree with you. One minor remark though. If you revert, please write in the Edit summary either why you did it, or write that you will comment this on the talk page, so everybody can see that you have a reason and you're not vandalizing. With friendly regards,   Lova Falk     talk   11:33, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

WHO ICD11 Beta Draft: Schizotypal disorder
ID : http://id.who.int/icd/entity/18178000

http://apps.who.int/classifications/icd11/browse/f/en#/http%3a%2f%2fid.who.int%2ficd%2fentity%2f18178000

Causes
The reference to the development of schizotypal traits during childhood is ambiguous, as is the source. Should it removed altogether? Jafxi (talk) 10:36, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Jafxi, I don't know exactly which sentence and source you mean. Mayo clinic is a good source.  Lova Falk     talk   11:03, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

The statement: "Rates of schizotypal personality disorder are much higher in relatives of individuals with schizophrenia than … in people without mentally ill relatives." seems to me to go without saying. 50.101.8.3 (talk) 19:09, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Pharmacological treatment
with regard to the section on pharmacological treatment, I believe it is important to note that STPD is treated using the same medication as schizophrenia including traditional neuroleptics such as haloperidol and thothixene.--Aimansajjad (talk) 03:02, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree with your edit.  Lova Falk     talk   11:06, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

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Unprofessional Descriptors/Unverifiable Souces
Reference no. 2 (Comer, Ronald (2014). "Schizotypal Personality Disorder". Abnormal Psychology. MacMillan. p. 406. ISBN 9781464162909.) is broken and is used to back up the statements "Some have a tendency to drift aimlessly and lead an idle, unproductive life." and also "STPD is classified as a cluster A personality disorder ("odd or eccentric disorders") and is considered to be the most impairing disorder in this cluster.". Both statements are quite far-reaching in describing the disorder and are verified by a PDF that links to a 404 not found. I tried to look up the ISBN to look up the page number and only found a PDF from google books whose Table of Contents page number doesn't match the one listed.

Similarly, reference no. 1 (Schacter, Daniel L., Daniel T. Gilbert, and Daniel M. Wegner. Psychology. Worth Publishers, 2010. Print) doesn't include ISBN or page number in an 800 page book and is used to back up the statement "Some have a tendency to drift aimlessly and lead an idle, unproductive life."

I suggest that these references and first statement be removed on grounds of unprofessional overreach of description of the illness, and also to curtail the second statement to merely list its category.

72.65.52.213 (talk) 16:20, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Acronym explanation for DSM
When DSM is first mentioned, it is not explained in simple English what the acronym DSM means. Preston Daily (talk) 04:56, 24 February 2022 (UTC)


 * It is. The first mention is linked to Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. —C.Fred (talk) 04:58, 24 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Oh okay, good to know. I wasn't sure if sourcing the acronym was a proper substitute for an explanation. Preston Daily (talk) 05:06, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Missing source
In the lead section I think the statement "People with this disorder feel pronounced discomfort in forming and maintaining social connections with other people, primarily due to the belief that other people harbour negative thoughts and views about them." should have a proper source back it up. Preston Daily (talk) 05:02, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

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Millon's subtypes
I see someone deleted the section detailing Theodore Millon's subtypes for STPD. Should this be reinstated, given that almost every other personality disorder page has Millon's subtypes on them? It is true that there is limited evidence for them, but it seems notable enough to include, especially since they remain on other PD pages. Cathackz (talk) 13:44, 5 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Agreed. I went ahead and added this section back in. The original edit says that it was removed because "Millon's subtypes lack evidence for their validity, especially in practice". If there is evidence for this claim, I think it would be good to add a discussion to this section, since as I understand it, Millon's opinions are quite influential, not least with respect to the development of the DSM. I added a paragraph briefly discussing Millon's contributions and the splitting of schizoid personality into three distinct personality disorders, which could probably benefit from an even longer discussion with more perspectives. Jhvx (talk) 14:34, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

DSM/ICD criteria
the symptoms are listed in the opening, but there is nothing specifying the DSM or ICD criteria in the diagnosis section. I'd take it upon myself to add it but I'm a novicial editor. I think these should be added though for the sake of clarity. Throwawayaccount565 (talk) 04:29, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

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Prognosis
I feel like this part could benefit from describing why men and women might differ in their symptoms. What is the biological difference that causes them to show StPD differently? Mkerr30 (talk) 03:44, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Prognosis
To improve the prognosis part of the article. I found a better source that talks about how some indicators for Schizotypy/Schizotypal Personality disorder can be used to better diagnose Schizophrenic spectrum disorders. We can use this article to better illustrate how Schizotypy can be used as a sign for the beginning stages of Schizophrenic spectrum disorders. We will do this by describing the results from the articles study better displaying the affects of the disorder and how it may differ between genders.

Tyrka, A. R., Cannon, T. D., Haslam, N., Mednick, S. A., Schulsinger, F., Schulsinger, H., & Parnas, J. (1995). The latent structure of schizotypy: I Premorbid indicators of a taxon of individuals at risk for schizophrenia-spectrum disorders. Journal of Abnormal Psychology, 104(1), 173–183. https://doi-org.libproxy.mst.edu/10.1037/0021-843X.104.1.173 Gpt8t3 (talk) 16:06, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Danganronpa
Is that Genocide Jill's disease? I am a Green Bee (talk) 20:12, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Differential diagnosis
In the table "People with StPD have a greater lack of social awareness, emotional reciprocity, and stereotyped interests and behaviors than those with communication disorders.24 28"

I struggle to parse this sentence and think it should be reworded. Are "stereotyped behaviors and interests" meant the same way as in ASD? In this case the sources don't mention that. Or are they meant as in stereotyped to this condition? In this case the sentence is confusing as I understand "people with StPD have a greater lack of social awareness, greater lack of emotional reciprocity and greater lack of stereotyped behaviors" which obviously would not make sense.

I suggest clarifying this and rewording as such "a greater lack of social awareness, greater emotional reciprocity and greater stereotyped interests and behaviors." Mademoiselle Extravagante (talk) 22:42, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


 * I couldn't make any sense of this sentence either and it didn't seem to be supported by the sources cited, so I removed it. Jhvx (talk) 19:40, 30 December 2023 (UTC)