Talk:Shinichi Suzuki

Shinichi Suzuki, The Man
I was always under the impression that Suzuki created "Talent Education" -- there was no such name attached to schools in Japan or elsewhere before he began it. Can the person who posted this put up any more information about it (or possibly add a citation or a place to look up more info)? Thanks (BTW, whomever you are, thanks for contributing so much content to the body of the article). J Lorraine 12:01, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Name
I'm not quite sure why the question marks with "Suzuki Shinichi" were added in the last revision. If the person who changed it is watching this page, could you please explain? Otherwise, not seeing any reason for the addition, I will change it back to the way it was before. J Lorraine 10:21, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I ignored the question marks, assuming they meant that the home machine did not render kanji or kanas; more to say in a couple of days when I can check on a puter that displays them. Just plain Bill 05:37, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Just loaded the east Asian characters on the home machine; I can't spell Japanese, but it looks like Kanji to me. Just plain Bill 16:21, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

This is the first time I've seen the talk section in this site. I will go back to my sources to find the "Talent Education" reference. I'll post this soon I hope. Thank you. bcorrea.

Birth dates
Born on the 17th or 18th? mythrandir 11:55. 24 Dec. 2003. (EST)

I'm pretty sure it's the 17th, but I'll double check J Lorraine 14:07, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Which info on which page?
Since Shinichi Suzuki and the [Suzuki Method] are so intertwined, it's easy to place similar info on both pages. I'm considering moving the section on Books Suzuki published about his method to the Method page, and moving the "historical notes" section on the Method page to this page... J Lorraine 07:44, 9 September 2005 (UTC)


 * "Redundancy in technical communication is no crime." Central concept in freshman engineering rhetoric course. It doesn't hurt to have info in several places, allowing the reader to avoid page thrashing. Just plain Bill 15:51, 9 January 2006 (UTC)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

'no consensus for now, though I will move if others are in favour of this move. &mdash; Nightst a  llion  (?) 08:27, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Move page back to Shinichi Suzuki
I hereby request that this page be moved back to Shinichi Suzuki, since "Shinichi" is the more common form (108,000 Google hits vs 9,930 for "Shin'ichi"). --TML1988 02:15, 10 February 2006 (UTC)


 * That's fine with me. J Lorraine 23:52, 11 February 2006 (UTC)


 * No, I am against this. It's a factually incorrect transliteration; Shinichi would be read as SHI-NI-CHI, whereas it is meant to be read as SHIN-I-CHI; that's what the apostrophe in Shin'ichi is there for. &mdash; Nightst a  llion  (?) 12:21, 14 February 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Motion to reopen move debate
I hereby request that the closed debate of moving this page back to Shinichi Suzuki be reopened, or a new debate of this kind be started. On WP:MOS-JA, the "Romanization" section CLEARLY STATES that "Article titles should omit apostrophes after syllabic n." This is also in line with Wikipedia's use common names convention, since almost all web sites, books, and other publications show that. To Nightstallion: according to your "correct names" logic, Lee Kuan Yew would have to be moved to Li Guangyao, Chiang Kai-shek would have to be moved to Jiang Jieshi, Tung Chee Hwa would have to be moved to Dong Jianhua, Syngman Rhee would have to be moved to I Seung-man, Park Chung Hee would have to be moved to Bak Jeong-hui, etc. In addition, the first line of this article already indicates the standard Japanese romanization, and the same is true for Junichiro Koizumi, so there is no need for Japanese articles to show n if the n form is not the most commonly used form. --TML1988 02:00, 6 March 2006 (UTC)


 * In addition, the original Shinichi Suzuki article already has some edit history, so I think this could simply be an issue of repairing cut-and-paste moves. I'm going to put Shinichi Suzuki on this page, so please read both of my statements above and give feedback. --TML1988 02:14, 6 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I simply forgot about this after asking at WP:MOS-JA. The history merge has been done by someone else already, and I've moved to the apostrophe-less version. &mdash; Nightst a  llion  (?) 11:59, 6 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I read above: On WP:MOS-JA, the "Romanization" section CLEARLY STATES that "Article titles should omit apostrophes after syllabic n." No it does not. Perhaps it did, but now it doesn't. Indeed, it says very little about these apostrophes (if apostrophe is the right word). It does however say: Article titles should use macrons as specified for body text except in cases where the macronless spelling is in common usage in English-speaking countries. (I think it would be reasonable to extrapolate this to mean Article titles should use apostrophes as specified for body text except in cases where the apostrophe-less spelling is in common usage in English-speaking countries and if so the conclusion would be the same.) -- Hoary (talk) 10:29, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

And yet another proposal
Whether this person is better spelled Shinichi Suzuki or Shin'ichi Suzuki (see section above), there are two other people called すずきしんいち who have articles that I know of: this one and this one. Clearly this Suzuki is better known than both of those photographers together, but it seems to me that he's not hugely better known: it's not as if we're comparing one John Kennedy and all the other John Kennedies. Further, both Suzuki and Shin'ichi are popular names and one or two video-game-writing, baseball-playing or political Shin(')ichi Suzukis wouldn't be surprising. That being so, here's what I propose:


 * Move this article to "Shinichi Suzuki (pedagogue)". (The word "pedagogue" may not be the best. Suggestions are welcome.)
 * Make "Shin'ichi Suzuki" a disambiguation page.
 * Redirect "Shinichi Suzuki", "Suzuki Shin'ichi" etc to "Shin'ichi Suzuki".
 * Fix the links that now go to plain "Shinichi Suzuki".

The last part is the most tedious, but there aren't so many links and I'm willing to do the job myself. What say? -- Hoary (talk) 10:29, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Aye. — Nightstallion 16:44, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Aye, aye. I'd use "Shinichi Suzuki (violinist)" as being more accessible, understandable, generally recognizable & so forth, since that's also a big part of who he was. __Just plain Bill (talk) 22:25, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'd much rather it were "violinist" than "pedagogue", which (with "educator") merely looks like a pretentious synonym of "teacher" -- Hoary (talk) 01:44, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreement on all counts! Pinkville (talk) 02:03, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Done! -- Hoary (talk) 09:09, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Einstein?
So which Einstein was Suzuki associated with? Alfred, as the page on the Suzuki Method claims, or Albert, as is stated here? 141.212.131.204 (talk) 22:38, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Suzuki biographer Evelyn Hermann gives detailed accounts of the scientist's influence on Suzuki: http://books.google.com/books?id=e8OkE55py04C&lpg=PA14&ots=c4_V7MV5nM&dq=Einstein&pg=PA14#v=onepage&q=Einstein&f=false, and shows a self-portrait drawn and signed by Albert Einstein and addressed to Suzuki. (p. 88) There is also a record of correspondence between Suzuki and Albert Einstein in the Einstein Archives Online: http://www.alberteinstein.info/db/ViewDetails.do?DocumentID=22264 and http://www.alberteinstein.info/db/ViewDetails.do?DocumentID=22263. The answer to your question is clearly 'Albert.' Violin Teacher (talk) 06:50, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Doctor?
The article makes reference to "Dr. Suzuki", but also states that Suzuki's formal education never progressed beyond high school. How did he acquire that title? In a classical sense, "doctor" means "teacher". Was the title self-awarded? &mdash; QuicksilverT @ 13:43, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, Quicksilver.


 * I visited his memorial museum (his former house in Matsumoto) in 2010 and actually discovered that he not only had a(t least o)n(e) honorary doctorate from a university in the U.S.A, but also a professorship. He could indeed be called "Professor Suzuki", but everyone (in Australia at least) used to call him "Doctor Suzuki" in the 1980s.


 * From Fred64 (on the 14th of January, 2013)


 * P.S. Update:


 * He was awarded the honorary title of "Distinguished Professor" by North East Louisiana University in 1982.


 * In addition to that, he was awarded no fewer than EIGHT(!) honorary Doctorates of Music: seven from universities in the U.S.A. and one from Scotland. The first was in 1966.


 * See "Shinichi Suzuki: The Man and His Philosophy" by Evelyn Hermann (pp. 214-215) for details.


 * From Fred64 (on the 14th of January, 2013) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.1.216.221 (talk) 10:28, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

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Mark O'Connor’s String Method
It should be mentioned that Mark O’Connor, the “investigator” who claims Suzuki was a “liar” and “fraud” is selling his own string method that directly competes with the Suzuki method. That combined with the details concerning his relationship to Einstein “The Einstein”, bring O’Connor’s potentials to be questioned. 76.122.248.198 (talk) 03:12, 3 January 2023 (UTC)