Talk:Sid Eudy

Requested move 2005

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 * It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it to be moved. –Hajor 02:01, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Sid Eudy → Sid Vicious – 'Sid Vicious' is the stage name of pro wrestler Sid Eudy. it is under this name that has won ALL of his numerous titles, including the titles in WCW and the WWF (now WWE). As per Wikipedia policy, I ask his entry be moved to his widely known stage name and out of his unknown (by large) real name.
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 * Oppose.Bad idea, as Eudy has numerous names he's known by: Sid Vicious, Sid Justice, Sycho Sid, and simply Sid.  In fact, he never competed in WWF/E using the Sid Vicious moniker; the titles he won there were mostly as Sycho Sid.  Sid's one of the gray areas where it's best to use his real name, for lack of a ust clarifying a part in tbetter option. --HBK 04:19, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
 * oppose obviously Lol - Jooler 10:58, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Oppose he wasn't known as Sid Vicious until after the stabbing incident. McPhail 12:31, 25 September 2005 (UTC). and suffixes should be avoided. McPhail 12:34, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Oppose per heartburn kid. Youngamerican 14:13, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Oppose any move. As noted before, he has competed under many names, and he never used "Sid Vicious" in WWF/E. — Dale Arnett 21:14, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Discussion

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Sid Vicious is currently an article about the punk rocker. Would you like Sid Eudy to be moved perhaps to Sid Vicious (wrestler)? -- Rick Block (talk) 23:10, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Would Support. Moving the article to Sid Vicious (wrestler) seems to me to be the best option. TruthCrusader

As per Wikipedia policy, I have asked this entry to be moved to 'Sid Vicious' TruthCrusader
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Post closure disucssions

 * Oppose any move. As already stated Sid Eudy has competed under various names. The name Sid Vicious is an obvious play off the Sex Pistols punk rocker. He was known as Sid Vicious in WCW prior to the stabbing incident, WWF/E changed his name to Sycho Sid as a rib on the incident. Kyros 08:25, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * SupportHe has more ring time as Sid Vicious(I think), and that was his moniker when he hit the big time in '89. It's what I searched for when I first did a search for him.(Halbared 17:17, 30 March 2006 (UTC))
 * Oppose - Just comment on stage names in the opening paragraph and redirect from "Psycho Sid", and "Sid Vicious" and what other ones their needs to be. JohnstonDJ 04:13, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose - John Simon Ritchie was known as "Sid Vicious" throughout his relatively short career. Nobody outside of his family and friends knew him as any other name, and that's the name he's remembered by today. Sid Eudy wrestled under a variety of gimmicks before Sid Vicious, including Lord Humongous, and four or so gimmicks he had in WWE ("Sid Justice", "Psycho Sid", "Sycho Sid", "S.I.D."). So while he started and finished out his WCW career as Sid Vicious, he's had too many gimmicks for his entry to be moved to just one. Think of Charles Wright. He was Papa Shango, Kama Mustafa, The Godfather, etc. Too many wrestling gimmicks to move an entry to just one name.

SIDE-NOTE: Eudy said in an interview that he wanted to use "Sid Vicious" during his WWE stints, but WWE Legal told him that "Sid Vicious is copyrighted by a punk-rock singer." Sid replied, "The guy's dead," but the lawyers told him that his mother owns the name. If this is true, then legally the "Sid Vicious" entry belongs to Ritchie. Haha. Barrelofagun —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.242.16.147 (talk) 07:10, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Statistics
"In the year that he threatened Pillman with a squeegee, Sid was 6'6 and 280. I doubt he put on much weight since that time."///// I'm new at this, but let me comment about Sid Eudy's supposed physical stature. I have noticed that Sid is at least a couple inches taller than Hulk Hogan, who is generally said to be 6'7". At least that's what it looks like on "teewee!"  Does Sid wear elevator boots?  As far as Sid's weight is concerned, he always looked to me like he weighed considerably more than the stated 317!  380# may not be overstating it.  Anyway you look at him, he is a big, big man, Big Sid!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.54.154.114 (talk) 12:54, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

why did someone link to celebheights.com for his true height, that is entertainment based website and nothing more. The editor freely admits he doesn't know sid's true height —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.116.121 (talk) 00:31, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

It´s proven that his real birthdate is 12/16/60 (police-mughot from 2006, see also IMDB), but here the bullshit goes on with 4/7/60 - that is Barry Windhams birthdate, not Sid Eudy´s!

Sid´s height: his peak was 2,02 m barefoot (6-7,5), now he is about 1,99m (6-6,5).

Discussion
Did any of you know that he was slated to lose to Hogan's legdrop of doom at WM8? But he went into busines for himself and kicked out:oD(Halbared 11:16, 3 April 2006 (UTC))

It is a matter of dispute whether he was suppose to kick out of the legdrop or if Charles Wright aka Papa Shango missed his mark to interfere. Some accuse Sid of purposely kicking out and this lead to his termination. Kyros 02:11, 10 April 2006 (UTC)


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Sid in Stampede Wrestling?
I read on ObsessedWithWrestling.com that Sid Vicious was in Stampede Wrestling during the 2000's or so. I want to know if anyone can verify this. fishhead2100 12:03PM, April 27 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, it is possible that he competed in smaller wrestling federations (as is the norm in most wrestling promotions with the exception of TNA) while he worked at WCW. That is very possible, but difficult to verify.-- S c r e w b a ll 2 3 talk 20:28, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Bischoff, not Russo; scissors, not squeegee.
The presumably embarrassing confrontation with Pillman would later be referenced by Vince Russo as he stripped Eudy of his WCW World Heavy title and, in response to Eudy's reaction, said something along the lines of "What are you going to do? Are you going to go and get your squeegee?"

The above paragraph is innaccurate. It was Eric Bischoff who confronted Sid to strip him of the WCW World Heavyweight title on the April 10, 2000 edition of Nitro, pointedly asking Sid if he was "going to get his scissors" when he initially refused to hand over the title. This should be corrected in the article.
 * Sorry, I added that. Although it appears the piece has been erased entirely.  I think it was a perfectly fine statement to leave in, given it was corrected. -- Caleson 6/23/06

Discrete Vandalism
Last sentence in 'Career' Section:

He competed mainly on the Memphis, Tennessee, and Georgia wrestling circuits where he captured several regional STDs.

Just wondering in the last sentence what is meant by STD's? Is this vandalism, or does it have a different meaning. And if it does I believe it should be clarified in the article JohnstonDJ 04:13, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

In the 'Back in WCW' section this appears in the last sentence:

Eudy has since apologized to Anderson for the incident and the pair are on magic mushrooms today.

I will correct this but these two items I've found has lead me to believe that their has been a lot of discrete vandalism on these pages. I wont have caught it all, and If someone more clued up than me on the subject can give it a browse and check, that would be much appreciated. JohnstonDJ 04:22, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Looking through I have found another couple, they seem to be at the end's of sections, just stupid one-line pieces of junk. JohnstonDJ 04:22, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

"Urban legends"
This section currently reads:
 * Among wrestling fans and fellow wrestlers, Eudy developed a colorful reputation that spawned several urban legends and amusing anecdotes. Besides his confrontation with Arn Anderson, Eudy allegedly was involved in a bar fight with wrestler Brian Pillman. It is said that Eudy fled the bar only to return, brandishing a squeegee as a weapon. The attempted threat would result in mere laughter among the bar's inhabitants.
 * At a house show, not Wrestlemania 13, one popular urban myth is that, during his match with The Undertaker, Sid had soiled himself shortly after the match had begun, which ended with a tombstone finisher from the unknowing 'Taker. The Undertaker confirmed this story in an interview on the TSN show Off the Record. [citation needed]

Personally, I'm inclined to believe both stories. But Wikipedia policy clearly states: Controversial material that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libelous. (See the top of this page.) Can anyone defend the inclusion of these uncited, unsourced claims? Should we open an RFC on the Living Persons Biographies Noticeboard, or should we just delete the entire section? Cribcage 05:41, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Controversial or not, Sid pooped his pants and everybody knows it. It's real, it's DAMN real. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.69.137.201 (talk) 05:38, 10 January 2007 (UTC).

''*At a house show, not Wrestlemania 13, one popular urban myth is that, during his match with The Undertaker, Sid defecated in his tights shortly after the match had begun, which ended with a Tombstone Piledriver from the unknowing Undertaker. The Undertaker confirmed this story in an interview on the TSN show Off the Record. His high school principal confirmed that Sid had bowel control problems all through school. He even joked that he once took a crap in the lunch room when he turned his back to the potatoes to grab a spoon. "Haha, yeah, old Sid sharted all over the potatoes, and people thought it was the new chunky gravy. It was amazing."''

I can find nothing that references this event on Google except sites that syndicate the content from this page. I have removed it rather than requested citation because it seems closely connected with other simple vandalism by anon IPs on this page and because nobody has given a reference in response to the earlier posts here. If anyone can provide a citation for this claim please add it back in. Feebtlas 15:03, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Agreed. The video of Undertaker on TSN's Off The Record was circulating (albeit illegally) on Youtube for a while. Undertaker made NO reference to Sid ever defecating himself. It's just another silly wrestling rumor with zero factual basis other than hearsay; just like the "two Ultimate Warriors" myth. Complete nonsense. Barrelofagun69 22:08, 4 June 2007 (UTC) Barrelofagun69

He's huge, about 6 ft 7 ish, and 300 lbs.

Possible Return To WWE
Sid Eudy claims to have a new gimmick which could mean big bucks for the WWE. Whether or not WWE is interested in re-signing Sid has yet to be confirmed. Падший ангел 07:56, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 04:26, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Theme Song
Anyone know the name and band who performed his theme song during his last years at WCW? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.113.79.150 (talk) 07:43, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Early Career
This paragraph is a mess. I did what I could, but it has absolutely no flow, rhyme or rhythm. It seems like a bunch of random facts glued together. The first three sentences make no sense. A reader has no idea what this means.

Sid Eudy entered the wrestling industry after an encounter with Randy Savage and his brother Lanny Poffo. ''What happened on that encounter? Was it kayfabe, a meeting outside of the ring, inside the ring?''

Eudy was trained by Tojo Yamamoto. Okay, when and where?

In his debut match, Eudy teamed with Austin Idol and wrestled the team of Nick Bockwinkel and Jerry Lawler. ''What year? Wait, what happened between Eudy/Savage and Poffo? I'm confused'' Angrymansr 20:08, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Stop vandalizing
Will these vandals stop messing with this page, you have screwed around with Sid's birthplace, removed the info pane on the side, and other crap. I basically had to list Sid's past personas from memory. I had to restore that whole damn thing. And yet somebody manages to mess a majority the WWE section of his career. Please stop with the damn vandalizing. Thank You.TonyO13 (talk) 20:13, 2 July 2008 (UTC) TonyO13

Thank You
Thanks for who ever put up the picture of Sid, and putting the "where ever he darn well pleases". I knew was forgetting something. And there is still the matter of fixing the Second WWE run. But this is a start.03:10, 13 July 2008 (UTC) TonyO13

Return to Wrestline?
can anyone site a source that says he's returning at SummerSlam? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.235.162.145 (talk) 02:52, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Anything about Sid returning is just a rumor until there are reliable sources cited, and I will remove anything that spreads rumors. — M o e   ε  06:27, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

WWE?
no, no, no, every single rumor i have read involves him going to TNA (even though its still a load of crap). that seriously needs to be mentioned. KP317 00:54, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia isn't a rumor mill, nothing will be added unless it is an actual fact, not something pulled out of someones ass. — M o e   ε  00:52, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Move 2008: Sid Eudy → Sid Justice

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Better known as Justice. A move to Sycho Sid would be fine, too. RandySavageFTW (talk) 19:43, 19 September 2008 (UTC) That's why I'm requesting a change for Justice... RandySavageFTW (talk) 13:38, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose He is also well known as Sid Vicious and Sid Justice. SAVIOR_  SELF  .777  02:29, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose - he has gain prominence under many names, and has been most known under different names.-- S R X  13:41, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, Eudy has been best known under different names, just like Sid Justice.. RandySavageFTW (talk) 13:53, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I hope you know that per WP:COMMONNAME, the title is suppose to be by what they are best known as, and f it is a controversy over what they are best known as, it is supposed to be left at their real name, thus being at Sid Eudy.-- S R X  13:58, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Say's who? And why can't we debate what his best known name is, instead of leaving it at a non-notable name like Sid Eudy. RandySavageFTW (talk) 14:12, 20 September 2008 (UTC) Everyone admitted he's better known as Justice, so why oppose? RandySavageFTW (talk) 17:40, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose, he can not use Justice as a surname as it is tm WWE. He has also been Sycho Sid as well as the other names listed. Darrenhusted (talk) 15:19, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think you understand. He's best known under several names and according to WP's policies, if there are many well-known names to a person, it's best to have the article under their real name. I never knew he was known as Sid Justice in WWE until I saw this. I only knew him as Sid Vicious and Sycho Sid. That's why it shouldn't be moved. SAVIOR_  SELF  .777  05:38, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Which policy? And we should try to make a consensus whether he's best known as Sycho Sid or Sid Justice, not leave it at some non-notable name that most people don't even know. RandySavageFTW (talk) 14:14, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:NAME, WP:UCN, and WP:NCON. You still don't seem to get it. Not every article has to be the person's common name. Like William Regal. The article is Darren Matthews because he is known best as William Regal, Steven Regal, or any variation of the two. SAVIOR_  SELF  .777  21:40, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

-- S R X  21:16, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Snowy Oppose Known as Sid Justice, Sid Vicious, Sycho Sid, and Sid. Identifying any as the most common would be point of view. GaryColemanFan (talk) 01:01, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Second the snowball being thrown at this. Darrenhusted (talk) 21:03, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


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Death?
The page mentions his death. However, I cannot find a link anywhere on the internet confirming this. Where is the link showing this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Feral Mind (talk • contribs) 18:00, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

He's alive Cupcake3704 (talk) 06:24, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Brother?
The USWA once had a wrestler going by the ring name "Johnny Rotten" whom they claimed was Sid's brother, but it's incredibly hard to find any info on this guy and whether he's actually Sid Eudy's brother or if it was just a play on his "Sid Vicious" name. If anyone has any info or sources on this guy, I think it would warrant at least a brief mention in the article. Johnny Rotten should not be confused with either Axl or Ian Rotten, two other wrestlers, just wanted to make sure no one thinks I'm mistakenly thinking of them.76.226.112.55 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:01, 18 June 2011 (UTC).

Requested move 2013

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The result of the proposal was not moved. --BDD (talk) 22:50, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Sid Vicious (wrestler) → Sid (wrestler) – I don't see how "Sid Vicious" takes precedence over "Sid Justice" or "Sycho Sid." I think the page should be moved to a name that is representative of all three of his common ring names. GeicoHen (talk) 07:56, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose pe WP:TITLECHANGES (no, not that type of title changes, arf!) "Changing one controversial title to another is strongly discouraged. If an article title has been stable for a long time, and there is no good reason to change it, it should not be changed."  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 13:15, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose was he ever known just as "Sid"? -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 03:06, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment - The WWE site lists him as just "Sid." --GeicoHen (talk) 15:32, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose - per WP:TITLECHANGES. Specifically: "While titles for articles are subject to consensus, do not invent names as a means of compromising between opposing points of view."  He was billed as Sid Vicious as well as Sid Justice and Sycho Sid, but not really just plain "Sid".  Typically for wrestlers who achieved success under multiple billed names we just go with their real name.  If that were the case would support a move to Sid Eudy.LM2000 (talk) 07:32, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
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Requested move 2014

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Armbrust The Homunculus 15:55, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Sid Vicious (wrestler) → Sid Eudy – There is no clear rationale for having the page at the Sid Vicious ring name as opposed to "Sycho Sid" or "Sid Justice". The current title is not ideal since it is clunky and is likely to result in confusion with the musician. Moving the page to the individual's real name is the most balanced approach. McPhail (talk) 19:50, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Support. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 22:30, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Support no real evidence that this version of his ring name is so much better known than the others that any one should be chosen over the others. Plus it has a parenthetical disambiguator, a construct that should be avoided if at all possible. Here it is very possible, be ause of the multiple ring names, which itself tells us to leave it at his real name. oknazevad (talk) 18:48, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Support Almost brought this up a week or so ago, but something must have happened. Fair balance for the few big names (he was simply Sid for a bit). Also the shortest possible, which works out nicely. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:05, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Support You can see from my comments in the previous discussion that I suggested this. I forgot to ever propose this though. LM2000 (talk) 13:43, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
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Birthday
Is there a reliable source for the July 4th birthday? I see that Imdb lists December 16, 1960 but that doesn't qualify under WP:RS. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 19:55, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Birthday july 4th - BS!!! Look his police mugshot from 2006, Sid´s birthdate is december 16: http://www.texas-mugshot-browser.com/Counties/Henderson-County/Sidney-Ray-Eudy.22553864.html http://arrest-record-search.com/booking/111940/Sidney-Eudy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:5A:EE49:4C73:7517:95F5:E2E8:6419 (talk) 21:20, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi son Gunnar has confirmed his birthday as December 16 only Rohan Pereira 1612 (talk) 04:20, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Verified Facebook for Sycho Sid Vicious
Sycho Sid Vicious isn't dead, isn't retired, and isn't tweeting Monday nights on Twitter. He's on Facebook as Sycho Sid Vicious at www.facebook.com/sychosidvicious/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED, is verified, and is still wrestling in MCW Osceola wrestling organization. While waiting to hear back from WWE he has turned down TNA's offer recently to focus MORE on his return as noted on his verified Facebook page. You can book Sycho Sid Vicious at RealSychoSid.com for wrestling events or for shoot interviews. There is a Twitter link on his booking page, but Twitter isn't yet verified. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:5B0:2B30:7D60:8D:7478:580B:2596 (talk) 01:56, 19 January 2017 (UTC)