Talk:Skoptsy

What information is there about the Skoptsy in the Soviet Union? Also, were deaths common from bleeding and other complications? Did the adherents perform the surgery on themselves, or were more experienced personnel available? Shorne 10:14, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * The article is from Encyclopedia Britannica, 1911, and it was not edited much. It seems no one really cares about the topic today. Mikkalai 16:04, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Gee, who wouldn't be intensely interested in a Russian sect of eunuchs?

Well I heard that there are reference in Soviet periodicals from time to time and that in Romanian descendants of some members still live. 63.231.129.229 20:32, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * How could they have had descendants? 173.165.239.237 (talk) 21:11, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Some of them waited until after they had produced kids to castrate themselves. Apparently they did not want to run out of cult members. Pascalulu88 (talk) 22:16, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Removed

 * They had a kind of eucharist, at which pieces of bread consecrated by being placed, for a while on the monument erected at Schlusselberg to Selivanov are given the communicants. 
 * (1) which Schlusselberg? (2) Any of shlusselbergs are IMO not known for being visited by Selivanov, so there is to particular reason for his monument (if any) be sacred. Clarification required. Mikkalai 00:15, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Actually, it is the burial monument to Selivanov's disciple, Alexander Shilov. It is in Schlisselburg, Russia, not far from St. Petersburg, where Shilov has died in prison. They say the monument is still there.

Oadby
I have removed the reference to a similar present-day phenomenon in Oadby, it was completely unsourced (and probably defamatory of identifiable people). --Todowd 16:49, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Engelstein book
Someone with a copy of Laura Engelstein's book (and the time) could bring the entry up to standard - particularly as regards post-1911 developments. --Todowd 16:49, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Mention in sci-fi book
In the science fiction book The Stars My Destination, there's a reincarnation of the Skoptsy sect.

Cleanup
The diff between January 2006 and now seems to indicate that the page has been cleaned up quite a bit. Anyone object to removal of the Cleanup tag? — Jonathan Kovaciny (talk|contribs) 13:23, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. Removing the tag. Hooray! --Reuben (talk) 03:54, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I also added a couple of sources, including the New York Times article entitled "Skoptsy members on trial." Heh, heh.  I wonder if the staff writers in 1910 intended that to be as funny as I find it now.  --Reuben (talk) 05:17, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Move
A more usual transliteration would be Skoptsy, but the current title is Skoptzy. I suspect this is just a vestige of the heritage of this article from the 1911 Britannica. I'm being bold and moving. If anybody disagrees, just revert me. --Reuben (talk) 04:45, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

White Doves
Belye Golubi or White Doves, also Montanisty or Montany (Montans), were a particular sub-sect within the Skoptzy (which would be the more accurate transliteration), not the name applied to Skoptzy as a whole - neither by its adherents or anyone else. The White Doves shared the extreme beliefs and praxis of the Skoptzy from which they originated but the name was ideonymic, i.e., derived from doctrinal precepts, or dogma embraced by the body’s adherents. It referred to the Holy Spirit, with which the faithful believed they regularly communicated. They were vegetarians and abstained from the use of stimulants, including nicotine and alcohol (those were common items of self-denial among Old Believers and various sects that derived from them but strict observance in that respect varied in degree from group to group). Some writers categorize White Doves with Gnostic Sects, rather than the Eretiki (Heretics), as they also espoused some theosophical and mystical tenets. The alternative name ascribed to the sect, Montanisty, related to certain similarities between the beliefs and praxis of the Golubi and those of an early Christian heretical sect led by the priest, Montan.Irish Melkite (talk) 07:35, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

"believed to have nearly died out"?
"Nearly died out" implies there are still some. Is this true? Where? --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 01:38, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

I think that everyone should consider that the Skopskys might have been a social reaction against sexual diseases. Perhaps if one had such a disease, castration might have helped. Even if not, it would still allow them to participate socially amongst themselves (and not spreading disease). Also, this was a middle-class cult or religion or idea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.53.196.213 (talk) 02:22, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

bubble bursting from a native speaker. 2 anyone willing to do a rewrite.
1.there is no need to list every possible way to transliterate the cyrillic "ц" and the cyrillic "ы" in the first paragraph. Just link the article on the transliteration of cyrillic. There also no need to speak of "alternative" spellings below.

2."скопец" just means "castrate" or a "eunuch" in Russian. It's kinda weird to list each mention of someone looking like a eunuch in Russian literature.

3.French or Spanish ways to spell the word are not mis-spellings either. "-etz" is the nominalization suffix ("-er") and "skop-" means "to carve out" (or "to emasclate") across many different languages in europe (same root in Greek; present in English as "to scab"). "Skopers" is as valid a translations as "emasculators" or, say, "castrationists". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.16.84.235 (talk) 02:17, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

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