Talk:Smart motorway

Update
M1 has various areas of managed mway; a stretch around Milton Keynes, Nottingham up to Chesterfield, plus plans near Sheffield, and up at J39-42 as per the Highways agency website.WillDow (Talk) 16:02, 17 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. The article now mentions sections in operation from J6a-10 and J25-28, under construction from J10-13 and proposals for J28-31, J32-35a and J39-42. PeterEastern (talk) 08:26, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Managed motorways vs Controlled motorways
This article seems to confuse managed motorways which employ the use of Active Traffic Management (ie. Hard Shoulder Running) with controlled motorways which AFAIK is a term used by the highways agency to refer to the usage of (enforced) variable speed limits. I have removed some examples of motorways which are not currently using active traffic management. FM [ talk to me  |  show contributions  ]  23:33, 30 November 2012 (UTC)


 * According to the HA managed motorways appear to have both elements, ie hard shoulder running and also variable speed limits ('to smooth out traffic at busy times and reduce stop-start congestion') whereas controlled motorway only have the later. Given that it probably doesn't make sense to have two separate articles, can I suggest that we move this article to 'Controlled motorways in the United Kingdom', clarify the distinction in the lead and then provide details of both types in the same article? We would of course keep a redirect from this title to the new one. PeterEastern (talk) 08:23, 1 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Are you sure that Active Traffic Management requires hard-shoulder running and not variable speed limits? Based on a brief skim of the wp article I suspect that it always includes variable speed limits but that hard-shoulder-running is not always included. The problem with these new concepts is that it takes time for them to get used consistently in all countries. Needless to say, our definition here for ATM should be based on current international usage.PeterEastern (talk)


 * There seems to be some confusion here. There are two basic types of managed motorways in the UK: Controlled and Managed. CM is simply variable mandatory speed limits activated by traffic flow. Managed motorways comes in two flavours - Hard Shoulder Management (AKA ATM, which was trialled on the M42) and All Lanes Running, which is being rolled out on the M25, M1 and elsewhere. HSM is where the hard shoulder is opened and closed depending on traffic flow. ALR has all lanes running all the time. Both have ERAs (emergency refuge areas) and both have variable mandatory speed limits.

Requested move 01 December 2014

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The result of the move request was: move the page, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 20:00, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Smart Motorways → Smart motorway – not a proper name --Relisted. Dekimasu よ! 05:43, 8 December 2014 (UTC) – 81.141.58.17 (talk) 08:30, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 11:03, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * It looks to me as if it's the name of a specific government project and thus is a proper noun and plural. Philg88 ♦talk 09:38, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The government uses the term in lower case, as in 'Information about England's new "smart motorways".'  and also in the singular 'We are working to improve the M60 by making it a smart motorway'  (click the about tab). As such I suggest we follow WP guidance and use 'Smart motorway' in the singular.PeterEastern (talk) 16:27, 1 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Support per nom and gov usage, even if there is also a project named Smart Motorways. Dicklyon (talk) 05:41, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Support per naming conventions. The main HA page clearly talks about "smart motorways" in the plural; indeed, that page also says what "a smart motorway" (singular) is. Either way, it's a common noun, so lower case. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  10:00, 10 December 2014 (UTC)


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Table format for schemes
I have converted the schemes into a sortable table, allowing people to organise the information for their purposes, which might be to see what is in operation today, or everything that relates to a particuilar motorway, or a type of scheme. This format has the benefit that we can add 'type' information for planned schemes. I have been pretty careful to keep all the references intact as I did this work. PeterEastern (talk) 12:13, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Move to "Smart motorways in the United Kingdom"?
Aside from a couple of fairly inconsequential mentions of other countries, the current article is clearly only about the use and criticism etc. of smart motorways in the United Kingdom. Would it not make sense to move this article to something like "Smart motorways in the United Kingdom" and create a stub "Smart motorway" article for other uses globally? JezGrove (talk) 22:36, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Is the phrase 'smart motorway' actually in use in any other countries? If not, better to keep this article as it is. We already have Active traffic management as the broader international topic; this one was previously at Managed motorways in the United Kingdom, but this name is more concise and recognisable. Robofish (talk) 00:14, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * As far as I can see, the only WP articles that use the term 'smart motorway' relate to the UK. I'd be happy to keep things as they are and for a hat note to point to Active traffic management for non-UK usage. JezGrove (talk) 00:29, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree and have done as JezGrove suggests.Andrew🐉(talk) 17:23, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Shapps/Review/RfV

 * The announcement by Grant Shapps that the entire system is under review ought be placed in the lede, and not relegated to 'Criticism'. This is not criticism, per se, but rather a government decision based on the widespread publicity surrounding fatalities on these stretches of motorway. Thoughts? Hanoi Road (talk) 13:09, 4 February 2020 (UTC)


 * And the previous should read 'RfC', obviously. Hanoi Road (talk) 13:10, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Smart motorway vs intelligent transport system terminology
We can read that there are smart motorways in England and intelligent transport systems in Scotland.

In contrast, in Europe intelligent transport systems (ITS) are used in connected motorways or autoroute connectée in French. There motorways are wirelessly connected in the way they might communicate with connected vehicle.

However, the terminology is not defined in this article. Could we add such a section to specify the specificity of each term?

For instance, in Europe, the DIRECTIVE 2010/40/EU OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL of 7 July 2010 on the framework for the deployment of Intelligent Transport Systems in the field of road transport and for interfaces with other modes of transport considers that: "Intelligent Transport Systems (ITS) are advanced applications which without embodying intelligence as such aim to provide innovative services relating to different modes of transport and traffic management and enable various users to be better informed and make safer, more coordinated and ‘smarter’ use of transport networks." According to this directive, "Intelligent Transport Systems" or ‘ITS’ "means systems in which information and communication technologies are applied in the field of road transport, including infrastructure, vehicles and users, and in traffic management and mobility management, as well as for interfaces with other modes of transport".

Also, 29 countries of Europe (European Union and EEA) are developpig sites of connected and automated driving on European motorways in the form of cross-border corridors. https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/cross-border-corridors-connected-and-automated-mobility-cam — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.136.216.31 (talk) 20:57, 25 October 2020 (UTC)