Talk:TUI Airways

757 Phase Out?
A couple of guys at airliners.net have said Thomson is retiring the 757. Can anyone find a source on this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.206.98.227 (talk) 04:32, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Infobox
Undid work by 86.12.114.15 as it seemed to have messed up the infobox, now it is fixed

Founded?
Hi, I am kinda confused why the formation date has been changed to 1947, as we are talking about a brand new airline formed in 2008? so why is it 1947? It should be 2008 in infobox and 47 somwhere else. Regards, Zaps93 (talk) 19:36, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The company was formed in 1947 changed to Britannia then Thomsonfly then Thomson, it wasnt a new airline formed in 2008 just the name has changed. MilborneOne (talk) 19:38, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


 * But it is a new brand, like Thomsonfly was, Britannia, they all re-branded, therefor they require the formation date of the newest Thomson Airways. Regards, Zaps93 (talk) 19:40, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I have tweaked the infobox to say founded 1947 but commenced 2008. MilborneOne (talk) 19:42, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks, that is much better. Much more understandable, although wouldn't (as 'new' Thomson Airways) be better? Zaps93 (talk) 19:43, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I still dont know the name it had in 1947 I understand it was Euravia before Britannia but I need to find a reliable source. MilborneOne (talk) 19:47, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Boeing 767-300, Winglets
I Have Edited Article So That It Does Not Have The Incorect Information Of 2 Of Their Boeing 767-300s Having Winglets

Matthew.mrj (talk) 18:21, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Air Operator's Certificate: Origin
The article states that "...in September 2007, First Choice Airways and Thomsonfly merged, with all flights being operated under the Thomsonfly CAA Air Operator's Certificate since 1 May 2008."

I have added a fact tag to this statement. I may be losing my memory, but as I recall it was the First Choice Airways AOC which was used to form Thomson Airways, not the Thomsonfly AOC. Can anyone provide further info or a source? Thanks SempreVolando (talk) 23:51, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Fleet details
Regardless of what the incorrect wikipedia page states, the Thomson Airways fleet currently consists of the following number of aircraft; (As of 17/2/2012) A320 x1 A321 x2 B737-300 x2 B737-800 x21 (5x on order / 3x coming to end of lease) B757-200 x21 B767-300 x10 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.237.168.167 (talk) 16:48, 17 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I have reverted your change to show what the reliable source rather than the amateur shows:

which equals 61 which if you add the three leased out 737-800s agrees with your amateur source. You appear to be short a few A320s and B757s all of which are listed in the source you gave as well as G-INFO. MilborneOne (talk) 18:19, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * A320 x 4
 * A321 x 2
 * B733 x 2
 * B738 x 19
 * B752 x 24
 * B763 x 10

Incidents
This would be good to know if anyone will do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.202.196.232 (talk) 08:23, 8 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Sorry your question doesnt make sense, but if you are asking why no incidents are mentioned it is because they have not been anything notable to include. MilborneOne (talk) 16:03, 8 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Does Britania Airways not count seeing as Thomson Airways was a rebrand of it?

Linkops85 (talk) 22:42, 19 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Britannia Airways has its own article. MilborneOne (talk) 22:46, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

August 2015 a Thomson Airliner was almost shotdown by a Missile over Egypt.98.155.233.1 (talk) 21:04, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Awards
Should awards really benoted under Thomson Airways if they are more targetted towards Thomson as a whole package? Linkops85 (talk) 23:56, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
 * First Choice ~ British Travel Awards 2012 :: Best Overall All-Inclusive Tour Operator
 * Thomson ~ British Travel Awards 2012 :: Best Overall Adults Only Tour Operator
 * First Choice ~ British Travel Awards 2012 :: Best Overall Tour Operator To East & Southeast Europe
 * Thomson ~ British Travel Awards 2012 :: Best Overall Tour Operator to the Iberian Peninsula & Islands
 * Thomson ~ British Travel Awards 2012 :: Best Overall Tour Operator To North Africa


 * I have removed them as it appears they dont relate to the airline but the group. MilborneOne (talk) 22:50, 19 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks MilborneOne, Just as I expected Linkops85 (talk) 09:09, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Founded
I updated the founded date in the infobox to show that the company was formed in 1947 as Panorama Tours and have provided a reliable reference. An IP keeps changing it to 1962 and Britannia Airways which seems to be a bit of a random choice not supported by the reference given (the company didnt become Britannia until later and was certainly flying as Euravia before). When the company was formed in 1947 the memorandum of association clearly gives one of the objects of the company "To purchase, hire, maintain, work and carry on competitive flying, commerical flying and aerial transport services of all kinds; and to provide aircraft for hire, charter, aerial survey work, aerial advertising, competitive flying and commercial flying of all descriptions.". Just for info list of name changes: I have reverted the change again based on the sources -MilborneOne (talk)
 * 28 October 1947 Panorama Tours Limited
 * 19 December 1961 Euravia (London) Limited
 * 19 August 1964 Britannia Airways Limited
 * 1 November 2005 Thomsonfly Limited
 * 27 October 2008 Thomson Airways Limited

MAX orders
The airline has announced orders for the MAX 8 and MAX 10 the MAX's are due to be deivered in November starting with the MAX 8 CBG17 (Talk) 15:09, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * No, TUI announced orders of the MAX 8 and MAX 9, then converted a specific number of those collective orders (18) to the MAX 10 at the Paris Air Show. It is no longer known how many of the remaining orders are for the MAX 8 or MAX 9 variants, and TUI have not publicly confirmed this. SempreVolando (talk) 15:12, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * European leisure group TUI has converted 18 Boeing 737 Max orders to the newly launched Max 10 variant. TUI Group has 70 outstanding orders for Max variants, says Boeing. It did not specify which variant the Max 10s would be replacing. No one knows how the order balance is now apportioned. SempreVolando (talk) 15:15, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Here it states that the MAX 10 have replace the MAX 9 on order and states the first delivery of the MAX 8 is to TUI fly Belgium in January 2018. The first 737 MAX 8 for TUI fly Nordic will be delivered in February 2018 and the UK in November 2018. CBG17 (Talk) 15:20, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Blogs are not reliable sources. You will need to find a WP:RS to update information on wikipedia. SempreVolando (talk) 15:22, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

from what this source is saying it is confirmed that 10 orders are definitely for the MAX 8 which means that 10 orders for the MAX 8 are confirmed ad 18 for the MAX 10 meaning there are 42 orders of an unknown variant which will most probably be the MAX 8. CBG17 (Talk) 15:28, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Most probably is not sufficient. This is original research at best. The original firm TUI group order was for 40 737 MAX 8 aircraft and 20 MAX 9 aircraft, later updated to firm 50 MAX 8 and 20 MAX 9. Now 18 MAX 10s replace an unknown number of those (properly sourced, see above), then a blog states 18 replaces the MAX 9's (18 replaces 20 how exactly?). Now you are using backwards maths to reach a supposition. Notwithstanding the blog source, what happened to the other two MAX 9s? SempreVolando (talk) 15:37, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

The 2 MAX 9's would have been substituted with 2 MAX 8's? as the MAX 10 has more capacity they have probably decided that they wouldn't need 20 of those aircraft so only chose 18. From what i can make out these aircraft will be used to replace the 757's in the Thomson fleet as they are the only airline in the group with aircraft that the MAX 10 would be a suitable replacement for but i maybe wrong. CBG17 (Talk) 15:44, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Maybe you are. That's the basis of WP:RS. You can't claim what you can't prove from a reliable source. SempreVolando (talk) 15:46, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Yeah i realised that after I did it, but lets hope they provide more details closer to the time of the first deliveries. CBG17 (Talk) 15:48, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Like you I personally doubt they are now holding any MAX 9 orders. So 42 MAX 8 and 18 MAX 10 is the likely split. But as mentioned it must be sourced not assumed. What we know for now (from 70 total) is that 18 are MAX 10, some are MAX 8 (given that they have publicly stated acceptance of this type is upcoming for certain group carriers) and the rest could basically be MAX 8 or 9 (though likely MAX 8!). I am hopeful that the Boeing orders and deliveries data will split the MAX into variant totals but this has not yet happened. It is a reliable source and it would be a really useful way to cite the totals, rather than reliable on news sources. SempreVolando (talk) 16:01, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

I have just realised that if they have 18 MAX 10s on order and the rest MAX 8 the split will be 18 (10) and 52 (8) not 42 and 18. Yes i agree it would be helpful if Boeing did specify and when it is unknown show it how it is presented now. I would assume that in the future they will do this like they have with the other variants. We also have to wait to find out which airlines are actually taking the aircraft and how many, we already know that TUI fly Belgium is definitely taking 4 and TUI fly Nordic is taking 1 so this means that there is 47 of the unknown orders left to share out which will be interesting to find out which airlines receive them and how many they receive and if any other than Thomson are given the MAX 10. The group also has 50 options with 10 of these booked for the MAX 10 so maybe those 2 MAX 9 orders were made as options for the MAX 10 along side the 2 extra MAX 8s.CBG17 (Talk) 16:18, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Mess up
I'm sorry but I was trying to edit the fleet section to make it accurate but I appeared to mess up the table 94.196.247.58 (talk) 10:11, 20 June 2023 (UTC)