Talk:Taiwan Name Rectification Campaign

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POV[edit]

The valuable contents that were removed were falsely deemed as POV "stuff" by Denegro.--Certified.Gangsta (talk) 13:05, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh good, you finally used the Talk Page instead of endlessly reverting edits. And no, they are quite POV. Or should I put it in a better way, "strong". Phrases like, "without any heed of their views and needs", "dictated the way life was lived". Plus, the article is really about the changing of "china" to "taiwan" like the post office. The history should go into the History of Taiwan or History of the Republic of China and doesn't need mentioning here. Dengero (talk) 13:11, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do you know anything about Taiwan? Taiwanese were massacred in large numbers by the Chinese. Taiwanese women were raped by Chinese occupants. Taiwanese were forced to speak Chinese instead of Japanese and Taiwanese. Taiwanese cultural expressions were suppressed. I have many real life examples of people I met who were persecuted, brainwashed, and jailed during this period. "without any heed of their views and needs", "dictated the way life was lived" are euphemisms. And anyway, we need a background to show why Taiwanese are even bothering with all the name rectification campaign.--Certified.Gangsta (talk) 13:15, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The reasoning is there. "The goal is to confirm Taiwan's status as a sovereign nation and officially change the government's name to the Republic of Taiwan.". And remember, the one who are doing this rectification campaign right now are those "chinese" who "massacred" the taiwanese. So really, this doesn't actually relate to the treatment of ethnic taiwanese at all. Dengero (talk) 13:20, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What you said totally demonstrate that you have no expertise in this area whatsoever. Most of the "Chinese" who massacred "Taiwanese" and the Chinese's descendants do not support the rectification campaign. Why? Because they could not relate to Taiwan. Their home is in China, which make their presence in Taiwan a nuisance. At the same time, they insist Taiwanese take on this identity known as the "Republic of China". Those who advocate name rectification campaign are in fact the ones who were victimized and the victims' descendants. So of course, the background matters.--Certified.Gangsta (talk) 13:24, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

While it is true that during the martial law era, many Taiwanese were oppressed by the dictatorship, and that oppression may well be part of the cause of the independence movement (of which the "rectification campaign" is a part, how is any of that information (the past oppression) relevant to a discussion of the campaign itself? FWIW, with the election of the new regime, the talk over this campaign seems to have died down. Ngchen (talk) 13:26, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The "martial law" era is a politically-correct term for people who are pro-China. For those who aren't, the so-called martial law era was essentially Chinese occupation that was significantly worse than the Japanese-Empire era. Your assertion that the oppression may well be part of the cause of the rectification campaign is also incorrect. Taiwanese nationalism has been around for almost a century. (ever since the Republic of Formosa). We need to provide a background to show why Taiwanese are so insistent to rectify their name and "roll back" past injustice.

I have been saying this many times now. Just because Ma got elected doesn't mean ethnic Taiwanese are suddenly not anti-Chinese. Ma's promise to rejuvenate the economy was a vote-winner, not his policy on China. The lamentable fact is that the Chinese nationalist veterans still wield certain influence in Taiwanese politics. 20 years from now, when these veterans fade away, it would be hard to picture the Chinese Nationalist Party getting any votes. It is likely that Taiwan will have 2 major Taiwan-centric party by then. (which is good because less time would have to be devoted to discuss policy vs. China and more time could be used to discuss domestic/economic issue which are the actual "real" issues)--Certified.Gangsta (talk) 13:34, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is Ma not a Chinese himself? He was born in Hong Kong. Dengero (talk) 13:38, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ma is Chinese, which makes the current government a regression due to the presence of considerable # of Chinese in Taiwan. That's why Lee Teng-Hui has been calling for the formation of another Taiwan-centirc party so the KMT can fade permanently from the public.--Certified.Gangsta (talk) 13:41, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Since it's essentially the same problem, let's complete the discussion in Talk:Jay Chou before continuing this current discussion. Dengero (talk) 13:49, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Taipei Streets[edit]

I understand that the streets of Taipei had their original Japanese names changed to Chinese names that reflect the geography of China when the Chinese occupied Taiwan following WWII. Have there been any calls in Taipei to rename the streets back to their original as part of the name rectification campaign? Were streets in other cities similarly renamed by colonists, and have there been any calls to change them back in other cities? Readin (talk) 20:08, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]