Talk:Tajuddin Ahmad

POV problems
This article has been written in a very strongly pro-Tajuddin Ahmad bias, with open attacking of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman and others who may have opposed him at any time.  Vishnava talk  00:03, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

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Expansion needed
This man was essentially the wartime leader of Bangladesh in 1971, and the article must be expanded. There are several academic and media sources which could be used, and there is also is a documentary on his life with English subtitles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.205.56.85 (talk) 12:40, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Comments from Kaiser matias
I had planned to review the article during the Peer Review, but it was closed before I could do that, so I'll add my thoughts here:


 * The term "freedom fighter" seems a little strong, as it certainly gives a strong stance on Tajuddin. While I certainly can respect that he may be considered as such in Bangladesh, I'd argue it is a little unencyclopedic and not a neutral term to use. That said, you could say something like "he is considered a freedom fighter in Bangladesh" or something, but not in the first sentence of the article.


 * Seeing how he was assassinated, that should be noted in the lead, as that is a fairly important thing to note.


 * While the start of his activism is noted in the "Late British India" section, I would also suggest mentioning it in the "Early life" section, as it is noted there interrupting his studies. Even just noting that his activism began early while he was a student would be enough, as it clarifies things a bit before you get more into detail in the next section.


 * "The unresolved state language dispute hanging since 1947 resurged in 1951." This is mentioned without context, and seems like it is something important to further explain. If you can add a few sentences after that, like a background of what the dispute was about, it would be good.


 * The 1970 election section has quite a bit of detail on the politics of Pakistan at the time, but I'm not seeing what role, if any Tajuddin played. It notes he was elected to the National Assembly, but did he play any role in the dispute between Khan and Mubjib?


 * The "Post-independence career" is solid, and I like that it covers a lot of his work as Prime Minister.


 * The "Assassination" section is brief and should note why the army launched the coup and killed Tajuddin; did they not like his policies?


 * The legacy sections seems rather empty; as Tajuddin was a major figure in creating Bangladesh I would hope there is more to be added there. Some things to consider: what was the perception of him right after his death, and has it changed since then? Did his policies have a lasting impact on Bangladesh?


 * This is just an observation and not a major issue, but I see most of the citations are in Bengali. Is there any English-language sources that could be added?


 * There are several sections lacking references, and at least one "citation needed" tag that I saw. Those should be fixed up.


 * The article would also be helped by a solid copyedit. The wording at times is a little rough, and while it isn't hard to read, it could be cleaned up.


 * Overall the article isn't bad, and with a bit of work it could become a solid candidate for GA, or with more work even FA. As someone with next to no knowledge of Bangladesh I feel I am have gained some insight into Tajuddin and what he meant, but also feel that it can be added to still. I hope this helps, and applaud the work done so far. Kaiser matias (talk) 18:30, 5 November 2020 (UTC)


 * @: Thanks for your feedback. Good to know that the article gave you some idea about Tajuddin.


 * Your comments are right about the state language movement and assassination. I also feel both should be preceded by some context, working on them.


 * Regarding your comment on Post-independence career: did you actually mean Bangladesh Liberation War or any of its subsections? Tajuddin was Minister of Finance after independence.


 * Unfortunately to date Tajuddin is not so much available in English. The current article makes use of the following English sources: Karim, 2005, though a biography of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, touches on Tajuddin; Hossain, 1985 and Sobhan, 1985, both direct acquaintances of Tajuddin, contains their encounters with him; Islam, 2003 covers Tajuddin's role as Minister of Finance in independent Bangladesh (the author worked directly with Tajuddin during his tenure as Minister of Finance).


 * Regarding his reception after his death: that is a complex affair itself! Bangladesh has went through various political turmoils since his death. His and his parties contributions were obscured for quite a while. Will try to bring the relevant facts into the article.


 * The nature of Tajuddin's character and works make him a tough subject. Despite being an important person, his presence is not that much pronounced; most of the sources he appears in are dedicated to another topic. Still I am gathering compelling information on his political development in early East Pakistan and his role in the 1971 provisional government. Need some time to put them together.


 * Working on your other editing suggestions, most importantly on the tone of the overall article: truly bias and temptation has to be checked at places :), will take a few rounds of re-reading and editing. --Farhan nasim (talk) 12:25, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry I forgot to watch the article so just saw your reply. I have it now so will keep track of what's going on. Just to quickly address the above: if there is no good English-language sources that is not an issue, though it is of course regrettable that there are not any, but that is not something to be concerned with. And I did mean the "Post-independence career" section, which seems to cover his time as prime minister. It does a good job of showing his policies and what his government did, which is important to note for someone who was a politician. And overall am quite impressed with the work going into the article, I truly believe it will only get better, and can certainly provide further reviews if requested. Kaiser matias (talk) 01:43, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
 * @ Thanks for your response.
 * Perhaps you have noticed, the article has went through some changes since you last reviewed it. Would like to know your review on the article as it stands now.
 * I am planning a rewrite of the East Pakistan section. You'll find the progress in my sandbox. A review there would also help.
 * I am working on expanding the Organizing the Liberation War section (the most significant period of his career). Research is in progress currently. It will take some time. Will be needing your feedback on that too.
 * I also plan to divide the Legacy section into Accolades (with the current contents) and Historical Evaluation (content under research).
 * And thanks for the compliment :) --Farhan nasim (talk) 12:40, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll give it a read in the next day or so. If I don't follow through by the end of the week, just leave a message on my talk page (I have a tendency to forget things). Kaiser matias (talk) 18:08, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * In the East Pakistan section rewrite (available in my sandbox), I aim to provide some more details necessary for understanding Tajuddin's context. While reviewing, please pay attention that if I am putting too much details. Thanks :) --Farhan nasim (talk) 19:01, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Have merged the changes in the sandbox (East Pakistan mostly and also Early Life and Late British India) into the main article. --Farhan nasim (talk) 09:30, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Updated comments

 * Still has the term "freedom fighter" there, which I'm not fully comfortable with.


 * Some sections still have no references, which should be addressed. I also see citation needed tags, which should be fixed.


 * I would still suggest having someone else go through and help copy-edit the article. It's improved, but there is still some improvement that could be done.

Overall it's a much stronger article than before, so well-done on that. It's a really interesting article, and am happy to have helped in this small way. Kaiser matias (talk) 19:18, 21 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your review again.
 * Like you, in fact, I am also not so convinced with the term freedom-fighter and the title Bongotaj as well. Will fix them after some consultation.
 * I find getting the whole article right at once tedious. So I choose to proceed by sections.
 * In the last revision, which you have reviewed, I mainly improved the East Pakistan section (up to Six-points and the 1969 uprising). In the older revision, you expected elaboration on The unsettled state language dispute. Hope it is addressed as you didn't raise any concern.
 * Currently working on the section Bangladesh Liberation War. It needs both expansion and editing.
 * Will fix the citation needed tags (there are 2 of them currently) and the unreferenced sections (I myself noticed a few, your hints would also help) once I find suitable references.
 * Just as before, you are right about copy-editing. I think a second read by somebody else would improve it faster. Unfortunately I don't know anyone whom I can ask right now.
 * And nice to know that you found that overall the article has improved. Hope you will be reviewing the upcoming revisions. Thanks :) --Farhan nasim (talk) 18:16, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Am happy to help. As for a further review, I'd suggest going to the Guild of Copyeditors. I've used them a few times before and am always happy with their help. Kaiser matias (talk) 18:07, 24 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for letting me know about the Copy Editors Guild. Didn't know that it exists. The article still has obvious gaps. I will ask for a copy edit once I am done with them. --Farhan nasim (talk) 18:17, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Removal of unsupported claims
No credible sources confirm the following two rather strong facts stated in the article. Removing them as a result. We may include them back once some source is found.


 * 'Mujib declared a general amnesty for many war criminals and collaborators which Tajuddin disagreed on.' Sheikh Mujib indeed declared general amnesty. However, no sources confirm that Tajuddin opposed that move.


 * 'On April 1975, members of the government travelled to Mujibnagar to commemorate the anniversary of the forming of Mujibnagar Government. Tajuddin Ahmad was not invited, even though he played a crucial role in the formation of the Mujibnagar Government.' No sources confirm fact. --Farhan nasim (talk) 13:45, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Freedom fighter designation and the title Bangataj

 * In the Bangladesh Liberation War, freedom fighter meant the irregular guerrilla forces under the Mukti Bahini. Though he was a major organizer of the freedom fighters, designating Tajuddin himself as freedom fighter is not appropriate.
 * The title Bangataj is posthumous (began appearing only recently) and is not so popular.

Therefore, I am removing both of them. Farhan nasim (talk) 08:11, 18 February 2021 (UTC)