Talk:Terrace Club

"Snicker"
An unregistered editor recently reinstated this previously-deleted text: "Recent rumors that the club has unofficially switched to a "snicker" system of selective membership have been denied." This had been in the article for a while. However, it is not substantiated with any kind of reference. Also the term "snicker" is not commonly understood. Propose it be left out unless someone can come up with a reliable source for this info. --Shorn again (talk) 23:17, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. Academic38 (talk) 07:22, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Unregistered user 89.224.133.119 has reinstated this text, so I have deleted it again. Based on the brief but PU-centric edit history, looks like this is likely an alum - and the IP address appears to hail from France. To that contributor, let's not make this an edit war - please participate in discussion here before reinstating again.--Shorn again (talk) 17:56, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Unregistered user 89.224.133.119 has now deleted my above comment twice. Kindly stop that. My request to "Please participate in discussion" does not mean "please delete my communication to you". Deleting other people's posts is not OK. Shorn again (talk) 14:26, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Explanations of "TFC"
Please discuss any removal of explanations of what "TFC" stands for here before actually removing them. For instance, "Terrace Fucking Club" should not be unilaterally removed; it has been part of the article since its first version. Thanks. Dcandeto 08:30, 27 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Well in that case, I'd like to add the fact that TFC also very regularly has been referred to as the Terrace Flaming Club. I feel like this is one of the more common meanings, while things like "terrace floss club" I've never even heard before! —This unsigned comment was added by 81.66.26.173 (talk • contribs).


 * I don't have a problem with someone adding "Terrace Flaming Club"—go ahead. It's just the removals that shouldn't have been going on that I take issue with.  dcandeto 16:59, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I've always thought it was called TFC for Terrace on Fire Club, because of the Great Fire of, I don't know, maybe '98... before my time, anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rachellyon (talk • contribs)

Ack! You are making me feel old, Rachel. The fire was on December 14, 1987. See the Prince article linked to here. Well, might as well add some historical info to the article... --Shorn again (talk) 23:17, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi. I have reverted the 2 recent edits by Pandaboyz! which removed the origin of the TFC "F" as coming from "Flaming", which is in fact the historical origin of this, no matter how it may have developed since, and replaced it with a statement that this is only speculation. Pandaboyz!, I believe you are acting in good faith but do not have access to this historical information. With that said, I do not have a reliable reference (my own Terrace Flaming Club t-shirt of 1989 or so vintage having long joined the oil-soaked rag pile). Can anyone provide an object or document that will substantiate this? Additionally, can historical information be provided linking this to the pre-existing case of "T Fucking I" for Tiger Inn? --Shorn again (talk) 18:55, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

In 1987 & before, we used to mock Tiger Inn's continuous chants of T-Fucking-I by satirizing T-Fucking-Club even though in many perspectives (at that time) TI & Terrace were as far apart as possible. We're sure that they didn't notice us/Terrace doing this. Eventually, "TFC" became a regular saying & the F was re-interpreted as 'flaming' for the dual meanings of ostentatiously gay as well as 'on-fire'. "F" now stands for anything that one wants it to.

Agreeing with the preceding paragraph, I was in Terrace from '84 to '86 and we already called it Terrace Fucking Club or TFC to spoof the whole T-Fucking-I thing and the fact that many of the clubs has 3-initial abbreviations. This was all before the fire.

Notability
I'm not saying that this organization is non-notable, but right now it's tough to tell if it's something that is genuinely known outside of the Princeton community or not. Can we find any reliable third-party source to confirm that the group is genuinely famous? See WP:ORG for guidelines on groups. --Elonka 00:16, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The third-party source has been linked there for quite a long time. dcandeto (talk) 23:41, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

The links I recently added also reference non-Princeton sources. Surely if the other college societies, etc. are notable (not to mention the other eating club pages), Terrace Club also qualifies. I'm not just talking about Skull & Bones, but pages like The NoZe Brotherhood. In any event, beyond the notable alumni and interest as a college-related topic, Terrace Club's history as a de facto music venue is also worthy of encyclopedic inclusion. The article still needs a lot of cleaning up to Wikipedia standards, though. Right now there is too much subjective/insider material that does not seem of great importance to the general public. --Shorn again (talk) 00:34, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Recommend to delete the recent additions of Winnie Hu, Seth Fleischauer, Katharine Brandes and Theodore Ellis from the 'Notable Alumni' section as non-notable. Hu is one of hundreds of NYT reporters of no special note, Fleischauer was merely mentioned in a newspaper article and is one of the thousands interviewed by StoryCorps, but otherwise seems to be a regular joe, and the other two, despite their political activism, are both still undergrads and therefore not alumni, and have no distinctions worthy of encyclopedic inclusion. Let's try to stick to Wikipedia standards here and not use this page as a platform for self-promotion. Any objections? If these names were added by someone other than the references themselves, please state your justification for notability here and let's discuss. --Shorn again (talk) 22:08, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * If they were suitable for inclusion in the article, there would be articles about them. I've gone ahead and deleted those names from the article.  dcandeto (talk) 23:06, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Again, propose to delete the addition of Emily Moore as not currently notable. If any objections, let's discuss them here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shorn again (talk • contribs) 16:32, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, no responses in one week so I have gone ahead and made this edit --Shorn again (talk) 21:31, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism
Undid an edit spuriously listing footballer Laverneus Coles as a notable alum. This contribution came courtesy of 66.108.52.167, whose vandalism spree today included also derogatory comments about Toni Morrison.--Shorn again (talk) 23:59, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Question about history
Shouldn't the history section say something about when the club closed in its selective incarnation (I don't know when) and when it reopened as a non-selective, politically progressve, club (76-77 or 77-78, I am pretty sure)?Academic38 (talk) 07:28, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

That sounds like it would be a great addition. Where could such information be found in a reliable source? I see that Mudd Library and Firestone seem to have significant collections on the histories of the clubs with all kinds of meeting minutes, photos etc. which would be a treasure trove for this and the other clubs' articles. I myself, alas, have no access. Perhaps a kindly and interested undergrad or grad student might go on a spelunking expedition into these primary sources? Shorn again (talk) 16:32, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, secondary sources would be better. A certain amount of information from primary sources is alright, but on some of these Eating club articles, the majority of the article is turning out to be original research or primary source information.  All of the articles are in serious need of cleanup or merging, though I've been trying to give the members some time to get things cleaned up on their own.  But please, please, stick to reliable secondary sources, not primary. See WP:PSTS. --Elonka 16:40, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I have added information indicating the change from bicker to sign-in club in the 1960s based on a Daily Princetonian article, but the critical period Academic38 refers to in the late 70s - early 80s is hard to find information on. The Mudd Library collection I referenced above apparently includes a whole file of newspaper clippings from 1938-1992, so I'd think some good secondary sources could be found there as well.--Shorn again (talk) 05:10, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * If we can't find sources, I recommend just removing the information for now. Then if sources become available later, the information can easily be re-added. --Elonka 05:57, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Elonka, while there is surely stuff that is in there to which your comment is applicable, this discussion relates to the desirability of adding information that is not yet in the article.Shorn again (talk) 16:32, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

In the fall of 1970 the University was running Terrace as part of its own dining system. My recollection is that sometime toward the end of that year the University published an article in the Daily Princetonian saying that it would no longer run Terrace on the basis that it was losing too much money. I was a sophomore at the time and friendly with some of the juniors in Terrace who did not want the Club to close. With the blessing of the Graduate Board we organized a recruiting drive and signed up enough new members to take Terrace private again in the Spring of 1971. I became the President of Terrace in the Spring of 1972 and lived on the third floor during my junior and senior years. I don't have any primary source material but there should be some Daily Princetonian archives from 1970 reflecting the University's decision. wjbradyiii@a0l.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.136.116.10 (talk) 17:39, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

notable traditions?
It might be worth it to mention how long these so-called notable traditions have taken place or when they began. I can tell you that when I was a member and officer (90-92) I didn't know anything about "offerings". There was a tradition to include a certain word or phrase to theses but not neccesarily "food=love". Each year members voted on the word or phrase. In 92 for example the word was "pantywaist". I'm a more is better kind of guy so I didn't delete what's currently here in the article. Freesound (talk) 16:33, 31 May 2011 (UTC)