Talk:The Animatrix

Kid's Story
Is it worth noting on the page the large number of similarities between Kid's Story and the Perchance to Dream episode of Batman: The Animated Series? Specifically, the method of escape from the dream world is very similar -- both involve jumping off a building to commit suicide in order to wake up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.254.192.52 (talk) 06:35, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Not without a secondary source saying that. Connor Behan (talk) 23:58, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Language
Isn't the Animatrix in languages other than Japanese? Should the other languages be added to the infobox?

Anime?
Is the Animatrix an anime? According to the Anime News Network encyclopedia, it is listed as an OAV. http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=1710 KyuuA4 10:20, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Category: Studio 4°C
There is nothing in the body of the article to explain its inclusion in the category of Studio 4°C.


 * From IMDb: Studio 4°C (segments "Second Renaissance Part 1, The" "Second Renaissance Part 2, The", "Kid's Story", "Beyond" and "Detective Story") -Robixsmash (talk) 06:36, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Text Criticism
The present version states that "The Animatrix is a collection of nine CG and anime shorts ...". Following the 'CG' link one learns that CG " ... was a French automobile maker"! So, what does 'CG' mean in the Animatrix context?

CG -> computer animation, problem solved, Fantasy ;-)
 * Actually cg=Computer graphics, with cgi special effects being Computer-generated imagery. Seeing as how the origional wording was "CG", I've changed the link to computer graphs. However, if you think computer animation works better, I have no objections to changing it back. All three articles appear to accredit themselves with their use in films and tv shows.

Some of these were on tv as well before Reloaded came out. I think it might have been MTV, I forget. Also, the 4 films that were "originally released on the series' official website" are still available ; I'm making a small note of it. --ScarletSpiderDave 07:14, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Free downloads
The website won't allow me to download the four free preview videos of the animatrix from the website. The download and view options are there, but the download links just bring up the warner brothers website. Should that little note be removed? --Duckfootx 03:39, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Very true, but the four free episodes are also preserved on FilePlanet in their previous high-quality resolution (640x272) in the QuickTime Movie (.mov) format. I was thinking that someone could put a link to that in the 'External Links' section of the article, or better yet, mention it in the 'Release' section as well. --Unsigned
 * It is unprofessional for an encyclopedia to direct content-seekers to a filesharing site. A production company giving away episodes is free to withdraw that offer at any time and that is clearly what happened when the original site went offline. I am generally not uptight about copyright and you will not see me campaign to rev-delete links to FilePlanet. But how is this in line with the manual of style? Connor Behan (talk) 23:58, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Them taking the site offline doesn't mean that they intended to withdraw their offer for the free download of the movie - I guess it was just too costly to keep the site up / the download available on their site. Unless they concretely state that they reverse the free-download license for their movie (also not sure to what extent that's possible?) the links should stay up. And I don't think it's unprofessional - it's very useful for readers.
 * --Fixuture (talk) 12:12, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Well yes, the site going offline doesn't send a clear message about their intention. But when they made that site in ~2003 and uploaded the episodes, it is highly unlikely that they included text releasing them under a free license, even a revokable one. The DVD for instance says "copyright Warner Bros, all rights reserved". Connor Behan (talk) 00:31, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
 * --Fixuture (talk) 12:12, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Well yes, the site going offline doesn't send a clear message about their intention. But when they made that site in ~2003 and uploaded the episodes, it is highly unlikely that they included text releasing them under a free license, even a revokable one. The DVD for instance says "copyright Warner Bros, all rights reserved". Connor Behan (talk) 00:31, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Merge
The individual parts of this are not notable in any way, so they belong here in the article. They are easily short enough to cut any long summaries down by a bit. TTN (talk) 20:18, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Matriculated - alternate interpretation
This is just based on my observation of the film, but wasn't the conclusion of Matriculated more inclined toward the converted machine being unable to distinguish the "real" world from a virtual environment? One of the characters mentions in a brief dialog that machines cannot discern fantasy from reality, and that all environments are the same to them. In the conclusion, the converted machine is shown witnessing the brutal slaughter of his new allies in the real world, and I think it concludes that the virtual reality it was earlier exposed to is the more desirable environment, so it plugs itself and the female protagonist back in. I think she then dies as a result of her injuries, and the machine is faced with the realization that each environment is co-dependent -- when the female suffers an injury and dies in the real world, she perishes from the virtual world as well.

In the ending sequence, we see the machine sitting at the shore in place of the female protagonist. I've been trying to interpret this as best as I can, but I think this is simply indicating that the machine sympathizes with the humans' cause, and wants to convert other machines in their place. 72.150.233.141 (talk) 02:19, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Self-substantiation
The definition of self-substantiation given: "removing oneself from the Matrix without external aid" doesn't really seem correct. I think that self-substantiation means the ability to leave an "image" of oneself in the Matrix while having a body in the real world as well. This seems to make more sense, because it's like leaving the substance of oneself behind in the Matrix and it explains why there is a funeral at the end: there's still a body left behind.58.178.30.184 (talk) 04:47, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You mean letting a bidy in the Matrix and letting the mind/soul/whateva go the the body in the real world, so that the Matrix-death won't become real as usual?--85.180.9.7 (talk) 13:04, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Order?
The order of the plot summaries here is odd. It's not DVD order. It's not (according to the article) cinema order. It's almost alphabetical order, except "Final Flight of the Osiris" is near the end. Is there a particular order this was meant to be in? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.232.11.50 (talk) 07:11, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Influences
DM: Let me maybe twist the question a little bit, to look less at the audience’s side and more towards the creator’s side. We’ve talked about this before. I know that when you were working on Cowboy Bebop, it was more of a domestic product, and it ended up going abroad. When you were working on Samurai Champloo, I think you knew very early on that this was going to be a global show. Maybe you can tell me a little bit about how creating one versus the other is different. Dai Satō: A simple explanation would be this: A director named Shinichiro Watanabe created Animatrix after Cowboy Bebop. He said Cowboy Bebop gave him many ideas for Animatrix.

http://www.japansociety.org/otaku_unmasked --Gwern (contribs) 05:10 21 January 2012 (GMT)

The word 'animatrix'...
...itself has another meaning. It would mean "female animator" in Latin. Just a thought... --Arny (talk) 08:24, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The word 'animatrix' could also be a portmanteau for 'anime' and 'matrix'. --Hu753 (talk) 08:25, 30 Jan 2018 (AEST)

The Second Renaissance
There is a lot of mention of "human allies" of robots, and the humans are repeatedly referred to as the "enemy human forces", almost as if the plot is written from the point of view of the machines. <blockquote]The robots and their defected human allies retaliate by declaring war on the rest of the world, and their armies advance in all directions... with many of their inhabitants being welcomed into the robots' sanctuary to join the ever growing population of the human allies with open arms. As the machines and their human allies advance into Eastern Europe... None of this is present in the actual Animatrix episode itself, there are no humans ever shown fighting alongside the robots, apart from the initial human supporters/sympathizers protesting and rioting after B1-66ER is destroyed. I note also that most of these sentences have citation needed tags, of which there are none. I propose for the parts referring to "human allies" to be re-written, unless anyone has any objections, or preferably some evidence. Feudonym (talk) 22:38, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Before I modified the article, it does sound like it was written by a Zero-One supporter. Those 'human allies' in Part 2 of the Second Renaissance are actually prisoners of the machines. --Hu753 (talk) 18:58, 30 Jan 2018 (AEST)
 * The story is told from the perspective of the machines, it might be natural for it to be told here from their perspective as it would be a direct sourcing of information. In addition, I came to the talk page to discuss the comment that the machines advanced on Eastern Europe as this doesn't appear in the film and is speculation. The machines simply advance and the focus is rather on the machine-horse that appears like one of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. Even the statement that they settled in the open desert of the Cradle of Civilization reads like an editorial as that's not stated either (the region is desert, that's all you can see). Note: I did add in the opening the direct observation that the story in this section of the film is told like the biblical Genesis creation myth as it is in fact told like a machine's version of Genesis using direct quotes and allusions to the end of each "day" in Genesis ("and it was good, for a time..."). These are direct observations from the film and I believe key to the aesthetic of the story and what, clearly, the writers were going for. (Other sections also feature information that breaks the 4th wall). JoeHenzi (talk) 08:55, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

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