Talk:The Endless River

Final album
I know this has been brought up before, but I strongly feel the use of final album should be used for this article. Despite the fact that Division Bell was thought to be the final album for a while, that doesn't change the fact that until the band is back together and confirmed to be working on new music this is the final album. No other band (that I'm aware of) gets this treatment. Rush still technically has two members alive, but their final album is listed as their final album. The main members of Sonic Youth are still alive, final album is listed as final album. The article can be changed in the unlikely event PF reform, but until then it is a lot less confusing to simply label it as the final album. LABoy12 (talk) 00:57, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

I believe this too. The article's source contradicts itself HEAVILY. It says to not add final to the beginning of the lead sentence, yet it later says that GILMORE said it would be the last album? Fakescientist8000 (talk) 10:07, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I used to be in the camp that said we should say "final", but I was persuaded by arguments that this is WP:CRYSTALBALL. Wikipedia doesn't know for sure that it's final, so why say this? It's not like we're saying it's not the final album, we're just avoiding making a grand statement either way.
 * No other band (that I'm aware of) gets this treatment.
 * Actually, there are plenty of other articles where this applies, or has been debated. Recent examples are Random Access Memories (is it the final Daft Punk album?) or No Time to Die (is it Daniel Craig's final Bond film?). Where articles aren't doing it, it's not because we're making exceptions, it's just because no one has discussed it or challenged it there. See also WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.
 * The article's source contradicts itself HEAVILY. It says to not add final to the beginning of the lead sentence, yet it later says that GILMORE said it would be the last album?
 * That's not a contradiction. There's a difference between Wikipedia predicting the future and Gilmour predicting the future. We can tell readers what Gilmour said, that's fine, we just don't need to say it ourselves. Popcornfud (talk) 10:18, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * In reference to "there are plenty of other articles where this applies, or has been debated. Recent examples are Random Access Memories (is it the final Daft Punk album?) or No Time to Die (is it Daniel Craig's final Bond film?)." as of 17 September 2023 the Random Access Memories article leads with "Random Access Memories is the fourth and final studio album by the French electronic duo Daft Punk, released on 17 May 2013 through Columbia Records." and the No Time to Die article leads with "No Time to Die is a 2021 spy film and the twenty-fifth in the James Bond series produced by Eon Productions, starring Daniel Craig in his fifth and final portrayal of fictional British MI6 agent James Bond." JohnRussell (talk) 04:06, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
 * The article's source contradicts itself HEAVILY. It says to not add final to the beginning of the lead sentence, yet it later says that GILMORE said it would be the last album?
 * That's not a contradiction. There's a difference between Wikipedia predicting the future and Gilmour predicting the future. We can tell readers what Gilmour said, that's fine, we just don't need to say it ourselves. Popcornfud (talk) 10:18, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * In reference to "there are plenty of other articles where this applies, or has been debated. Recent examples are Random Access Memories (is it the final Daft Punk album?) or No Time to Die (is it Daniel Craig's final Bond film?)." as of 17 September 2023 the Random Access Memories article leads with "Random Access Memories is the fourth and final studio album by the French electronic duo Daft Punk, released on 17 May 2013 through Columbia Records." and the No Time to Die article leads with "No Time to Die is a 2021 spy film and the twenty-fifth in the James Bond series produced by Eon Productions, starring Daniel Craig in his fifth and final portrayal of fictional British MI6 agent James Bond." JohnRussell (talk) 04:06, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
 * In reference to "there are plenty of other articles where this applies, or has been debated. Recent examples are Random Access Memories (is it the final Daft Punk album?) or No Time to Die (is it Daniel Craig's final Bond film?)." as of 17 September 2023 the Random Access Memories article leads with "Random Access Memories is the fourth and final studio album by the French electronic duo Daft Punk, released on 17 May 2013 through Columbia Records." and the No Time to Die article leads with "No Time to Die is a 2021 spy film and the twenty-fifth in the James Bond series produced by Eon Productions, starring Daniel Craig in his fifth and final portrayal of fictional British MI6 agent James Bond." JohnRussell (talk) 04:06, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Why not just add "...likely final..."? Bagpiper88 (talk) 20:06, 16 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Saying what is likely to happen is also a WP:CRYSTALBALL problem. Popcornfud (talk) 22:07, 16 May 2021 (UTC)


 * I agree on the crystal ball problem, but Wikipedia also tracks with what reliable sources are saying. If there's a host of reliable sources that say it's "predicted to be the final album" or somesuch, we should say that. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:02, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
 * It does say that already by quoting Gilmour's feelings on the matter. ili (talk) 08:43, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

This is in the lead of Random Access Memories "Random Access Memories was the duo's final album before they split up in February 2021." JohnRussell (talk) 04:06, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Psychedelic
Why doea it say there's no Wikipedia page for psychedelic music? Notarussianspy69 (talk) 02:33, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Personnel has numeric references to nothing on the page
The numbers after the Personnel names do not reference anything on the page. For example, it says "Sarah Brown – backing vocals" is responsible on "18". To be useful, they should refer to the respective track.

What's the best answer? Provide another list of tracks with those numbers? Or put those numbers in the existing track list?

But something needs to be done. I'm happy to do it. Thoughts? ZoneAlarm5 (talk) 21:08, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Number of tracks
The text says "The Endless River comprises four pieces" and taht the deluxe additions have "a bonus disc of three additional tracks". However the track listing shows 18 tracks. How does these two things fit together ? -- Beardo (talk) 22:15, 6 May 2023 (UTC)