Talk:The Get Up Kids

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'''NOTE: I re-formatted this talk page on 07/26/2008 in order to increase readability. I ONLY added section headers and indents for new posters, and no content was altered in any way. If you have an issue with this, please let me know. Rwiggum (Talk /Contrib ) 17:27, 26 July 2008 (UTC)'''

Four Minute Mile
According to Alternative press, Four Minute Mile was recorded in two days and a half. /Sven —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.185.28.206 (talk) 13:15, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Mormonism
Who added the Mormon thing ? I'm not sure if it's a good idea to have up personal things regarding the members. People are gonna find the Get Up Kids via the LDS Wiki, and they don't exactly represent what the LDS church stands for. It's probably best for both parties to just leave that out, in my opinion. What do you think?


 * I don't know what you mean by the LDS Wiki, but I think it's interesting enough to include. That they don't represent what the LDS church stands for is pretty irrelevant -- the article doesn't claim they do, and explicitly says that they are non-practicing.  If we had articles on the two individuals in question, I'd say move it there, but since we don't, leaving it here is fine.  It's not like this article is overly long or anything. Tuf-Kat 01:48, Jan 28, 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree with the initial comment. The Mormom line is irrelevant, especially since they're not practicing.  It's not interesting; it's irrelevant.  How interesting would it be if we labelled other artists as "non-practicing Catholics" or "non-practicing Jews"?  Not very.  The length of the article should not be a factor; the information is just not useful. --Sinosplice 12:07, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

Possible POV
The following wording strikes me as somewhat biased: "Their May 2002 release, On a Wire (see 2002 in music), marked an evolution in their music, a maturity that was continued in March 2004's Guilt Show." It carries the obvious implication that these releases are better than others, which is purely opinion based, even if widely agreed upon. I don't happen to be a fan of theirs or have much knowledge of them myself, so I won't change it, but I think something like this would be more neutral and more informative: "Their May 2002 release, On a Wire, marked a change in their music. (Slightly more in depth discussion of some of the sylistic changes here). Much of this progression carried on into March 2004's Guilt Show."


 * I agree, there is a slight pov in the above quoted section. Personally, as a Get Up Kids fan, I believe that the album marked a decline in their music.  A npov revision like the one above would be best... -- BMIComp  (talk) 5 July 2005 07:45 (UTC)

Discography, Woodson
The Discography section is missing the Woodson Ep and the collected Woodson and Red Letter Day Eps which were released on one cd. If I had more time I'd add it myself, as it stands I'm just pointing it out.

Confusing Wording
Just curious, what does the section below even mean? I'd try to rewrite it but I have no idea what the original author was going for. Grammar is wonky and meaning is vague. Eargang 04:39, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

"One of the most common credits to The Get Up Kids is Dashboard Confessional, to the point where when Dashboard Confessional began to gain national prominence, there comments made between The Get Up Kids and Superchunk about Dashboard Confessional "Stealing Their Bread" when the three bands toured together. (AP Magazine, Issue #204}"


 * Yeah, not sure what that means, and not sure what this means either:
 * "One of the most common credits to The Get Up Kids is Hot Rod Circuit. At one point, when the two bands toured together alongside Superchunk, there were often jokes between members of Superchunk about The Get Up Kids and Hot Rod Circuit "Stealing their bread," in reference to their capitalizing on the genre The Get Up Kids helped pioneer. (AP Magazine, Issue #204}"
 * To be sure, Superchunk came before The Get Up Kids, and TGUK invited them to tour because they had always considered Superchunk to be an influence. (http://www.markprindle.com/wurster-i.htm)

Missouri
I've corrected the ridiculous assertion that TGUK are from Missouri, in a couple of places. I may have missed one, but I don't think so.


 * Although TGUK were closely associated with the Lawrence, KS music scene, they were not from Lawrence. The Pope brothers are from Olathe, KS (a suburb of KC), and James Dewees is actually from Liberty, MO.  When they gave interviews and played live, they would claim to be from Kansas City, MO.  Perhaps it should read "Kansas City Area" instead.  What do you think?Natt the Hatt (talk) 21:32, 23 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I fail to understand how this is "ridiculous", as it is actually the truth. Not only have they always claimed to be from Kansas City, but it's pretty widely known amongst fans that many of their references to "Valentine" in their songs refer to Valentine Road in Kansas City, the street they grew up on. In fact, they confirmed this at their final show which took place at the Uptown Theater, located on Broadway and Valentine. Get your facts straight before you hack up an article. Rwiggum (talk) 04:29, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * You're simultaneously wrong, and very rude. The fact is that it's not terribly easy to specify where a band is "from", when there are 4 or 5 of them from different places, and especially when they made most of their music in a further place. I imagine the original poster was referring to the latter fact. I move that the sentence in question be restructured. (n.b. "Valentine" is about Valentine's day, obviously, and "pretty widely known amongst fans" doesn't cut it as a citation on WP). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.125.154.47 (talk) 03:06, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Red Letter Day
What about the Red Letter Day Album?

1. One Year Later

2. Red Letter Day

3. Forgive And Forget

4. Anne Arbour

5. Mass Pike

6. Woodson

7. Second Place

8. Off The Wagon

9. A Newfound Interest In Massachuse

--- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.85.111.27 (talk) 08:03, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Red Letter Day is not an album. What you are thinking of is the Woodson/Red Letter Day EP's that were re-released together as "Two EP's: Woodson and Red Letter Day." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Natt the Hatt (talk • contribs) 22:26, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Singles Pages Created
I've gone ahead and created the articles for all of the bands' singles. Should we do pages for the splits too? Rwiggum (Talk /Contrib ) 20:50, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I think pages for the splits would be a good addition. We just need to make sure we have enough to support the pages.  Are there pages for the EP's as well?Natt the Hatt (talk) 23:14, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I created those a month or so back. It should be noted that the page for Shorty has been nominated for AFD, and I could use some help supporting it's staying. I've added some reasons why it's notable, but I don't know if that will appease whoever nominated it. Seeing as that release got the attention of Doghouse Records and Ed Rose, I think that it's notable for that reason. Rwiggum  (Talk /Contrib ) 23:36, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The AFD discussion can be found here: Articles for deletion/Shorty (song) Rwiggum  (Talk /Contrib ) 23:39, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * After several months, I've finally recreated the page for Shorty, largely because of new sources I found that indicate that the release was largely a catalyst for the band's success, meeting the conditions of a few Conditional Keeps from the original deletion discussion. Rwiggum  (Talk /Contrib ) 19:03, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Put the "discography" secion into tables, added sources to "influences" section
I put all of their albums, singles, EPs and compilation appearances into tables to make the section look a bit tidier. Also, I added at least one source for ever entry in the "influences" section, as well as added "Hellogoodbye" and re-added "Fall Out Boy" (someone removed it, for some reason.) Rwiggum  (Talk /Contrib ) 19:33, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Requesting help with expanding the History portion
Hey guys, I'm wanting to expand the "History" portion of the article, amongst other things. So far I've added a bit the the "Breakup" portion, but it's still pretty short. We also need to make sure to get some more sources into the article. Thanks! Rwiggum (Talk /Contrib ) 17:27, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Expansion Initiative
Alright, I'm proposing a new initiative for all the Get Up Kids-related articles. We need to start expanding them. I've already added some significant content to Something to Write Home About, On a Wire and Guilt Show, but there's still a lot to do. All of their other albums, EPs, Singles, and especially some of the sections on this page need to be expanded heavily, WITH SOURCES. These articles are in serious need of more sources. Rwiggum (Talk /Contrib ) 19:21, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Split EP/Singles Pages

 * Okay, so I've started working on making separate pages for each of the Split EPs. I've finished the first one: Burned Bridges/I'm Giving Up On This One. Rwiggum  (<sup style="color:black;">Talk /<sub style="color:black;">Contrib ) 01:36, 4 August 2008 (UTC)\
 * Oh, I totally forgot. A couple of months ago I put together the pages for the band's singles, so if anyone has anything to add, please do. The singles pages are as follows: A Newfound Interest in Massachusetts, Ten Minutes, Action & Action, and Wouldn't Believe It. Rwiggum  (<sup style="color:black;">Talk /<sub style="color:black;">Contrib ) 01:36, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright, I went ahead and got two more made: Post Marked Stamps No. 4 and Central Standard Time/Vasil + Bluey. Rwiggum  (<sup style="color:black;">Talk /<sub style="color:black;">Contrib ) 19:01, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Reunion Speculation

 * 9/08/2008 Interview with James Dewees. According to this we could be hearing some details as soon as the 15th of September.  http://www.mishmashmagazine.com/VideoPlayer/TabId/111/VideoId/54/Reggie-And-The-Full-Effect-Interview.aspx  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.254.98.204 (talk) 16:45, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * About the reunion section that was added. I went and checked the sources that were listed, and they are only blogs by fans.  Nothing is confirmed by any credible source.  The interview with Mishmash is the only real source, and it's vague.  Dewees could just as easily be talking about reforming with Coalesce.  If nobody has anything to add, I'm going to take it off in a day or so.  Just don't get mad at me for requiring more proof.Natt the Hatt (talk) 16:07, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

iTunes Sessions EP
Okay, so I created a "page" for the iTunes Sessions EP that they put out. I don't think it's notable for it's own article, but it stemmed from the release of Guilt Show, so I added it as part of that article. You can find it here. I also made sure to put it on the Get Up Kids template along with the other singles and EP pages I've made. Can anyone think if I'm forgetting one? The only one that I can think of is their split with Rocket From the Crypt, but I don't own that one and I can't find enough information to make a full page for it right now. If anyone else can or wants to, feel free, though. Rwiggum (<sup style="color:black;">Talk /<sub style="color:black;">Contrib ) 19:00, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Some more changes
Alright, so as you may have seen already, I went ahead and added a few images to the article that I forgot I had taken. I also refined the History sections a bit, added dates to the headlines, and removed a few deadlinked references. I also condensed the "influence" section into prose. Likewise, I turned the "side-projects" section into prose, re-named it to "After Breakup (2005-Present)" and incorporated it into the history section. I also expanded the infobox a bit earlier on, and did some general maintenance with de-linking dates and the like. If anyone can think of anything else that needs to be done, let me know. I may also be submitting the article for rating soon. Rwiggum (<sup style="color:black;">Talk /<sub style="color:black;">Contrib ) 19:10, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Reunion Confirmed
So the reunion tour has been officially confirmed, as has the re-release of Something to Write Home About. I added the Reunion section on this article, along with sources from The Pitch, Pitchfork Media and Rolling Stone. I also expanded the "Re-Release" section on Something to Write Home About. So now all that's left is to spend the full day camping out to get into the show... Rwiggum (<sup style="color:black;">Talk /<sub style="color:black;">Contrib ) 19:21, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

References formatted
I went through and formatted all of the bare links and references. Rwiggum (<sup style="color:black;">Talk /<sub style="color:black;">Contrib ) 14:46, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Discography article created
Okay, so the in-article discography was getting kind of large, so I figured I'd go ahead and give it a dedicated article of it's own, which can be found at The Get Up Kids Discography. I included everything over there, and removed everything but the four studio albums from this article. Rwiggum (<sup style="color:black;">Talk /<sub style="color:black;">Contrib ) 19:50, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Good Article!
This article is now listed as a good article! A lot of people have put in a lot of work to take this and related articles from bare stubs to where they are now, and everyone contributed has done some great stuff to get it here. However, there are still some major ways to improve it. During the GA nomination, the reviewer mentioned the possible inclusion of two new sections that would help improve the article. The first is a "Style" section, wherein it explains the band's musical style with sources from music critis, writers, etc. The second is a "Reaction" section (possibly a subsection of "Style", as with Silverchair) that would detail critical reaction to the band's music and albums. A good place to start for this info would be the individual articles for each of the band's pages, as they each have reviews for the album, and most of them have their own "Reception" section from which we could draw from. I may not be able to start on these sections for the time being, so I encourage anyone who wants to give it a shot to do so. Rwiggum (<sup style="color:black;">Talk /<sub style="color:black;">Contrib ) 19:35, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Massive re-write
I recently did a Google Books search for the band and was shocked to find some major sources that I had never encountered before. The biggest revelation was "POST: A Look at the Influence of Post-Hardcore-1985-2007" by Eric Grubbs, which devotes an entire chapter to the history of the band and their influence on music. Needless to say, I'm doing everything I can to incorporate as much of this as possible, having discovered that some of the events that occurred were placed in the wrong order in the article, and a lot of information was left out. While it isn't technically a re-write, since most of the old material is staying, there is enough new information and content being added that it could make it feel like a newer, better article. I'm also going to look into including song excerpts, but I don't know much about it, if anyone wants to help me out with that. Thanks! Rwiggum (<sup style="color:black;">Talk /<sub style="color:black;">Contrib ) 21:59, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright, so I think I've included the most new information I could without bloating the article with useless information. Interesting thought that the band had a drummer before Shay. All in all, I've managed to add over 9,000 KB of new text to the page, along with two audio samples to help with the increased emphasis on the band's evolving sound. I'll be going over the additions to make sure it didn't harm the article and making some mild copyedits, but all in all today's been a big day for the article's growth. Let me know if you have any questions. Rwiggum (<sup style="color:black;">Talk /<sub style="color:black;">Contrib ) 00:17, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Association with Braid
The Associated Acts section mentions Braid, but I cannot see how they are associated, other than being friends and touring together, as mentioned in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonathanmjefferies (talk • contribs) 15:42, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * They got their start together. They put out a split 7" together, and are considered two of the primary "canon" bands of that movement. The "associated acts" section isn't just for bands that share members, but just as it says: other bands they are often associated with. Rwiggum  (<sup style="color:black;">Talk /<sub style="color:black;">Contrib ) 06:28, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Pop Punk
maybe? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.138.41.45 (talk) 18:47, 31 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Afraid not. Natt the Hatt (talk) 22:18, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

TGUK can definitely be classified as at least being partially pop punk. They were a huge influence on bands like MCR and Fall Out Boy, and Something to Write Home About is pretty pop punk. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CF97:2990:ED6D:E59:F263:788D (talk) 23:53, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

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-- Marchjuly (talk) 04:38, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

GATHERING BANDS INFLUENCED BY THE GET UP KIDS
I’m in the midst of gathering a BUNCH of new sources to start fleshing out all of these pages a little more, particularly the influence section. Below I’m going to start gathering sources and snippets to start eventually incorporating into the article. If you run across any source of ANY band mentioning The Get Up Kids, please drop it below! Rwiggum (Talk/Contrib) 03:45, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

BANDS INFLUENCED BY

 * The Academy Is...  https://www.google.com/books/edition/Off_the_Bus_and_On_the_Record/kHmzDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=“The+get+up+kids”&pg=PA98&printsec=frontcover


 * My Chemical Romance


 * New Found Glory


 * The Wonder Years (This is a GEEAT source for a pull-quote!)
 * Taking Back Sunday https://web.archive.org/web/20180929041506/https://www.altpress.com/features/backtracking_the_stories_behind_the_songs_tbs_on_cute_without_the_e_cut_fro/
 * Jack Antoniff (keep digging) https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/05/23/jack-antonoff-pop-music-collaboration-lorde-taylor-swift/amp

AMAZING SOURCE TO PLUMB: https://www.stereogum.com/2059503/get-up-kids-something-to-write-home-about-turns-20/reviews/the-anniversary/amp/

Another great source for this and the STWHA page: https://www.undertheradarmag.com/news/emo_at_the_crossroads_very_emergency_and_something_to_write_home_about_at_2

Some really promising stuff on legacy and influence: https://daily.redbullmusicacademy.com/2019/03/the-casualty-emo-last-underground-moment