Talk:The Hustler

The description of the ending is wrong
The wikipedia article states incorrectly:

"Eddie returns to challenge Fats again, putting up his entire $3,000 stake on a single game. He wins game after game, beating Fats so badly that Fats is forced to quit. Bert demands a share of Eddie's winnings and threatens Eddie over the issue, but Eddie, invoking the memory of Sarah, shames Bert into giving up his claim. However, Bert warns Eddie never to walk into a big-time pool hall again"

He does not shame Bert into giving up his claim. Bert is beyond getting shamed. Eddie tells Bert that his boys are going to have to kill him for the money or else he will heal from their beating and come back and kill him (Bert). Bert decides to let him go with the money and warns him never to walk into a big time pool hall again. He finishes by telling Fats that he is a great player and Fats returns the compliment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.83.143.158 (talk) 20:49, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Edited for Television?
I watched the movie on television on the PBS channel. It appears that what is being played on PBS is an edited version. Maybe this point can be added by somebody into the article. Unless I changed channels or just wasnt paying attention, I really didnt see any scenes where the Bert character attacks or rapes the girl. I dont recall Eddie's speech at the end about Bert's men either letting him go or killing him. I'll have to get a DVD of this movie, and see if there was content edited out, for television. Marc S. Dania Fl.   206.192.35.125 (talk) 13:53, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Faustian Pact?
" Felson sells his soul and betrays the one person who really knows and loves him in a Faustian pact to gain character." A Faustian pact is never undertaken to "gain character," but rather to gain worldly success. Gaining character comes later, when the debt is called in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Orthotox (talk • contribs) 20:53, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Sarah and Bert
There is nothing humiliating in the sexual encounter of Sarah and Bert; in fact it is not filmed at all. I replaced that opinion with the facts: he tries to seduce her, she refuses, then she changes her mind. I think the sexual encounter represents just the step she needs to take to destroy her love for Eddie, to go on her path of self destruction, but it is my opinion, unsourced, so I am not putting it in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.173.169.105 (talk) 00:20, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Not sure how Bert "sexually assaults her". He does forcibly kiss her, which isn't right. However, she seemingly chooses to have sex with him, although clearly she regrets her decision afterwards. However, to characterize it as "sexual assault"... not sure it is that. I think it's more accurately stated as, "Bert forcibly kisses Sarah, who then asks for a drink. Afterwards, it is clear they have had sex". Isn't that more accurate? Supertheman ( talk  ) 13:03, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Forced kissing and other unwanted contact is sexual assault. oknazevad (talk) 18:12, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Depends on jurisdiction, and wasn't the case in many if any at the time the film was made. I concur with Supertheman.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  03:26, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

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Fats never handles money
The article claims "... only Minnesota Fats, who never handles money himself ...", which is not true. On multiple occasions Fats throws money on the table when he loses. See this clip. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arthur.Goldberg (talk • contribs) 17:27, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 17 September 2022

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Moved to The Hustler. Per consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 05:17, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

The Hustler (film) → The Hustler (1961 film) – Due to the existence of The Hustler (1920 film), the main title header The Hustler (film) represents incomplete disambiguation and should redirect to the Hustler dab page. It may be also taken into account that The Hustler (1920 film) is German and its original title is Der Falschspieler which, according to Google Translate, means The Cheater. As a possible point of interest, there is apparently some form of German linguistic or thematic distinction between the use of the same term to describe the protagonist of the 1961 film, who is not portrayed as a cheater, since the 1961 film's German title is Haie der Großstadt which, according to Google Translate, means Big City Sharks. Google translation of The Hustler is given as simply Der Hustler. As another somewhat related disambiguation point, the Hustler dab page also lists 2010's The Hustlers (film), 2019's Hustlers (film) and the redirect Hustlers (2013 film). If consensus skews toward leaving The Hustler (film) as is and moving The Hustler (1920 film) to Der Falschspieler, I would also support such a move. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 16:33, 17 September 2022 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Move to The Hustler. The 1961 Paul Newman film is the primary topic.  See |The_Hustler_(American_game_show)|The_Hustler_(novel)|The_Hustler_(album)|The_Hustler_(1920_film) pageviews. 162 etc. (talk) 17:01, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * (ec) Oppose. I am not too fond of partial disambiguation, but this is close to a perfect case for it. The 1961 film is quite important and appears to receive about 175 times as many page views as the 1920 film. The current article on the 1920 film gives almost no evidence that it is notable under WP:NFILM at all. The only reference on that article is a cite to a list in the middle of a sentence in an unrelated book; there is no coverage at all of the actual film in that book. I agree that it might be possible to move this to the plain title, if we don't consider The Hustler (novel) to be a problem. Dekimasu よ! 17:06, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment. Having submitted the nomination, I would also support The Hustler (film) → The Hustler, per 162 etc. In addition to the 1920 and 1961 films, there are only six other entries at the Hustler disambiguation page specifically titled "The Hustler", two of which are WP:DABMENTIONS, while among the other four (a stub about the 1959 novel that was the basis for the film, a 1968 album, a 1974 TV episode and a 2021 TV game show that lasted for 19 episodes), none has the historical standing of the classic film. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 17:29, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Move to The Hustler I agree this is a pretty obvious primary topic. The film is a classic, the novel it's based on is pretty obscure and there's no evidence the other topics have much long-term notability. If not, this proposal is fine IMO. Nohomersryan (talk) 02:28, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Move to The Hustler as primary topic.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  03:20, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Move to The Hustler. In this instance a very clear primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:37, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Blue Washington was limping attendant
His article in wikipedia credits him as only "limping attendant" although I believe someone calls him "Henry" -- many Blacks in this movie (like Findley's servants) but not one word is spoken by any Black actor. 1961 USA. 50.230.251.244 (talk) 19:05, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Jake LaMotta was bartender but there is more than one bartender
Jake played "Mack" who "always trusts" Sarah when she's broke -- she asks him, "Don't you trust me, Mack?" and he replied, "Check." 50.230.251.244 (talk) 19:11, 23 December 2022 (UTC)