Talk:Types of hijab

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Edited it a little.

Still needs correction of "dupatta" and "shalwar-kameez"; they are not necessarily in conformance with Hijab, or always worn as described here.

And shouldn't we have some verbiage at least on men's wear? If we are going to title it just "External Hijab" and not "Women's Wear in ..." &mdash;iFaqeer (Talk to me!) 23:36, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)

When I did this article I copied a table from a site that had pictures that seemed to be pretty good representations and were allowed to be copied. I hoped that it would be a good basis to the project and that people would update with better examples/descriptions if they had them. Of course, you are right with shalwar-kameez as the only time I have seen one worn was by my friend whose hair was not covered by anything. This also brings up another interesting point that many modern and western Muslim girls do not feel the need to wear what is traditionally considered "dress in conformance with Hijab". I think that's actually important because it reflects the nature of Hijab as an inner modesty and not merely as assigned dress. Of course we'd need to represent this with NPOV and I am not exactly sure how to do that best I only know that my friend and her mother do not feel the need to wear anything to cover the hair yet still believe themselves to fit into Muslim tradition. So, it is a belief of some that there are other types of acceptable modesty (and they are more modest than most typical Americans I know). However that should be incorporated in I do not know. -gren —Preceding undated comment added 00:52, 7 December 2004‎

Niqab v. Burqa
It's a little odd that the photo in this article depicting a "burqa (1)" is exactly the same photo in the niqab article. If burqa and niqab are overlapping terms, that should be explained; if not (and it's my very poor understanding that they are not), the same photo should not be used. Someone with more expertise here, please clarify. Thanks. Theleek 21:56, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I mostly second Theleek's opinion. I think "hijab" generally is a simple foulard, or Headscarf, i.e. a near-square piece of Textile that western women used to wear over their Hair. A foulard usually covered the hair, never the face. Concealing the face is a very special behavior, that only existed in some particular and limited parts of the Eastern world (never seen one in Africa 1940-60), and never in Western world, where it was felt as very offensive, like any other way to walk masked in public, something formerly unthinkable in West.

The textile pieces veiling the face in these limited places and occurrences, were Burqa (total veil), Niqab (veiling the bottom 50% of face), and a couple others.

Most other references, like the similar BBC page, seem to me more accurate. Michel Merlin (talk) 18:25, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Jalibia
Where's the jalibia? Basejumper 19:31, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Welcome Topic, Inclusive & Clarifying
1. I welcome this topic. With my limited world experience and expertise, I have attempted to edit other isolated articles (especially the Afghan and pre-revolution-Bongldeish "Burka" and the Persian (Irani) "Chador"). However, we need a single place where the various Islamic styles and terminology are correctly clarified. Unfortunately it may be that world-wide, cultural terminology varies? Even Internet market-places seem to confuse terminology? 2. The inclusion of male clothing here, (only when religiously influenced) is also good. 3. Question: I believe the (Arabic) term "hijab" is too limited for this entire inclusive topic? Would "Types of Islamic Clothing Style" be better? Thanks, HalFonts (talk) 16:15, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Batulah
The Eastern Arabia's women's striped facial niqab with a hidden wooden support over the nose bridge is called 'Batulah'. Upto the 1960's it was a common feature, since 1973's oil boom which trickled down since 1975, Batulah  has disappeared. Ilaila (talk) 08:51, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Requested move 15 August 2016

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The result of the move request was: Rough consensus for the suggestion "Types of hijab". Moved (non-admin closure) — Andy W.  ( talk  · ctb) 23:32, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

List of types of sartorial hijab → List of types of hijab – I found this title confusing—aren't all hijabs sartorial? Though Hijab mentions some literal usages of the word, it overwhelmingly refers to a type of clothing. I'm confident my concise proposal is an improvement over the current title. What I'm not sure of is whether all the types listed here really qualify as hijab, so I'd be open to a broader title, as suggested above. Unless discussion proves my assumptions wrong, I'll also retarget Sartorial hijab, Sartorial Hijab, and External Hijab to the parent article. --BDD (talk) 20:26, 15 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Support. The term "sartorial hijab" doesn't seem to be widely used in RSs. Eperoton (talk) 05:12, 16 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Support removal of "sartorial", but can't the title be even more concise? Either List of hijab or Types of hijab? --HyperGaruda (talk) 21:49, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Good point. Types of hijab would be a better title. Eperoton (talk) 05:52, 17 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Support alternate move to Types of hijab. — JFG talk 00:59, 22 August 2016 (UTC)


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Preaching style of description of hijab section
The description in the "hijab" section is so uncharacteristic as compared to our descriptions of the other forms of "sartorial hijabs" that it stands out as an anomaly and needs seriously urgent editing. The present text we have is atrocious in its tone:

“What does hijaab mean?” The most likely answers will vary from that of a woman wearing a head scarf, a veil or a loose outer garment. Hijaab, however, in the sense that it has been used in the Qur'an and Hadith, has a far wider meaning. Actually, hijaab is a set of laws governing the interaction between males and females, with rules that must be abided by both. In the minds of most people -even Arabs- that meaning has been lost due to forgetfulness or religious complacency. For the context of this article however, we will say, as most people do these days, that Hijab simply means a reference to the entire modest dress of the Muslim woman."

This is such a disaster with a clear preaching tone as if taken from some Islamic pamphlet addressed to youth making general claims nothing to do with the actual head gear known as hijab. Just scrap the whole unfortunate text and replace with something in line with our other "hijab" descriptions on the page. werldwayd (talk) 20:42, 21 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Indeed. All gone now. Eperoton (talk) 02:56, 23 August 2016 (UTC)


 * I'll hang on to this to say that per this source used in hijab, the term apparently also specifically means head scarf. I've read it on a German news site, too, twice. Article needs to address ambiguity.--ze un fo un 09:05, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

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