Talk:Ubayda ibn al-Harith

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I don't believe the English word "martyr" should be used of any person who dies in battle. A "martyr" is very specifically someone who gives no provocation beyond an ideological conviction and is killed only for this reason, e.g., Socrates. A person who uses violence, even if justified, is not a "martyr", because he gave some other provocation in addition to his ideology. It is appropriate to refer to Ubaydah ibn Al-Harith as a "shahid". This is an Arabic word and its meaning is different from "martyr".Grace has Victory (talk) 01:56, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Yalladar's Edit
On 1 February 2014 an editor named Yalladar cut this paragraph from the article.


 * He was killed in the battle of Badr in 624 when Utba ibn Rabia cut off his leg. It is alleged that he composed poetry while he was dying: "You may cut off my leg, yet I am a Muslim. I hope in exchange for a life near to Allah, with Houris fashioned like the most beautiful statues, with the highest heaven for those who mount there..." He was the first Muslim to be killed in battle. Muslims regard him as a shahid, a word that cannot easily be translated into English but refers to a Muslim who dies in the course of his Islamic duties.

Most biographies include a statement about the manner of the subject's death, and participation in the Battle of Badr is considered important by Muslims. The first part of this paragraph was properly referenced. The second part was not referenced but nor was it disputed. (In fact some people do claim that Mihja' al-Yamani was the first Muslim to die in battle. See Ibn Ishaq/Guillaume p. 337. But the authorities disagree, so it should be a matter for a dispute tag, not a deletion.) Therefore I don't see why this paragraph should be cut from the article. Has anyone any objection to restoring it?Petra MacDonald 01:45, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Ubaydah ibn al-Harith
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Ubaydah ibn al-Harith's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "hawarey": From Expedition of Qatan: Note: Book contains a list of battles of Muhammad in Arabic, English translation available here  From Caravan raids: Book contains a list of battles of Muhammad in Arabic. English version here From Expedition of Al Raji: Note: Book contains a list of battles of Muhammad in Arabic, English translation available here From Expedition of Muhammad ibn Maslamah: Note: Book contains a list of battles of Muhammad in Arabic, English translation available here 

Reference named "Mubarakpuri p. 147": From Caravan raids: Mubarakpuri, When the Moon Split, p. 147. From Muhajirun: Mubarakpuri, Sealed Nectar, P 147 

Reference named "Mubarakpuri, The Sealed Nectar p. 127":<ul> <li>From List of expeditions of Muhammad: Mubarakpuri, The Sealed Nectar, p. 127. (online)</li> <li>From Muhajirun: Mubarakpuri, The Sealed Nectar p. 127</li> <li>From Caravan raids: Mubarakpuri, The Sealed Nectar (Free Version), p. 127.</li> </ul>

Reference named "Haykal 1976":<ul> <li>From Al Kudr Invasion: </li> <li>From Invasion of Buwat: </li> <li>From Invasion of Banu Qaynuqa: </li> <li>From Expedition of Abdullah Ibn Unais: </li> <li>From Caravan raids: </li> <li>From Expedition of Dhat al-Riqa: </li> <li>From Invasion of Banu Qurayza: </li> </ul>

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 11:39, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Ubayda_ibn-al-Harith
The statement "Ubaydah was the son of al-Harith ibn Muttalib ibn Abd Manaf ibn Qusayy, hence a first cousin of Muhammad and nephew of Muhammad’s father Abdullah " is incorrect.

He would be a distant uncle of the Prophet Muhammad as seen in the chain below.

Ubaydah s/o Harith s/o Muttalib s/o  Abd Manaf s/o Qusayy

Prophet Muhammad s/o Abdullah s/o Abdul Muttalib s/o Hashim s/o Abd Manaf s/o Qusayy 45.112.50.66 (talk) 09:21, 18 May 2024 (UTC)