Talk:University of Kentucky/Archive 1

Campus Security
Why is there the mention of all these campus security events? Many of these are not even on campus. These are on no other university wikis that I can think of. These are news events, which are not the subject matter of an encyclopedia-like source such as Wikipedia. Also, the formatting is very spread out. For the time being, I am going to fix the formatting, however I'm looking at the deletion of this section because it is not really relevant to the subject matter of this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MTSUGoRaidersGo (talk • contribs) 06:45, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

It is relevant, because as of late, the security on campus has border-lined on "ridiculous". A quick check of the University of Kentucky's Campus Police crime database confirms this.

Its irrelevant and I took it out because A. Most of the incidents were not even on campus and B. "Incidents" on college campuses are common and not encyclopedic. Trust that there are even more.199.76.188.223 (talk) 21:21, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Agreed, it was irrelevant 74.131.113.22 (talk) 03:04, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

NCAA Suspension
As much as I hate to report bad publicity about my alma mater how should we tackle the NCAA Suspension in the 80's? I could not easily find an article on the net describing it and I do not remember enough details to even take a stab at it. N9urk 00:59, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Buildings
Should we add information on the buildings? Each of the buildings at UKY have an interesting History.
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I will leave this for discussion at present. What do you all think? N9urk 00:17, 25 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I think that while many of UK's buildings are article-worthy, it is likely that not all are. One deciding factor is how much can actually be said about the building, aside from a directory listing type entry. It may be that eventually most buildings will have their own articles, but some are clearly more noteworthy than others. A North Campus example: Patterson Hall, as the first residence hall for females and the oldest currently in use, is reasonably notable. The three buildings (renovated Victorian-era homes) which make up the Gaines Center are less notable, only differentiated from other area houses by the program they currently house (though the Gaines Program itself probably does deserve an article). One way to achieve this sort of gradual expansion is to start with articles on major UK subtopics; we already have articles on a couple colleges and a handful of the most notable buildings. Perhaps a University of Kentucky Residence Halls article, from which articles could eventually be broken off about the individual halls? Perhaps a University of Kentucky Athletics article from which articles could be broken off about various athletic facilities and programs (UK Men's Basketball should really have its own article!). And so on. Cmadler 13:08, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Colleges
I had a few minutes so I started to add a list of the colleges at UKY. Maybe someone else can complete this? Here is the list: http://www.uky.edu/Provost/academicprograms.html. Thanks N9urk 00:12, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Eastern Kentucky University
in which city is eastern kentucky university located>?
 * Eastern Kentucky University is located in Richmond, Kentucky, with extension campus locations in Corbin, Danville, and Manchester. Cmadler 10:29, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Enrollment Figures
Are the enrollment figures that are listed accurate? There seems to be a difference between the 2 reported enrollment figures (in the box and in the article). --Robby 03:47, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


 * It appears that neither is correct. UK says "Enrollment at UK, including the Chandler Medical Center totaled 26,682 in fall 2005." The listed number of faculty may also be in error. Cmadler 11:10, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I thought so. Thanks, Cmadler.  I'll go ahead and change the enrollment figures.  Any info on the faculty?  I'll look around for that. --Robby 22:00, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I can't find information breaking down the enrollment by graduate/undergraduate for Fall 2005. I did find the numbers for Fall 2004:   Should we use this information instead?  In fact, that's the information used in the box.  --Robby 22:27, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


 * For future reference, is probably a good source for such data. Cmadler 19:14, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Academics
Although it's perhaps typical of the University, I find it sad that there's an "Athletics" section but no "Academics" highlight seciton. I'm going to make an abbreviated one, and then I'll flesh it out with more detalis after I get some more information. Draeco 22:55, 3 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I think this is a good contribution and a great idea. I have, however, reverted edits by 131.96.155.68 until the information added can be verified.  The text removed seems to have some POV too.  This section will be a good addition to the article.  Here is the text I removed:


 * "The history department is also among the top in the nation. Noteworthy facultry include Ronald Formisano and Lance Banning, each among the foremost historians of 19th and 20th American history and Colonial American history in the nation. Other noteworthy figures include George Herring a brilliant historian of the Vietnam War and Ronald Eller among the most noteworthy historians of Appalachia."


 * If I have removed this in error, I apologize. I am not at all implying that 131.96.155.68 has vandalized this page. I just think this text may not be neutral and I'm unsure of it's facts.   --Robby 00:49, 4 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I can personally vouch for Herring being a brilliant guy, but your point about neutrality may be valid here. Additionally, the few programs I listed in my last edit are by no means all UK has to be proud of; they're just the ones I knew off the top of my head at the time. I'm sure UK has several others I'm not aware of. When I'm on campus tomorrow I'll find out about them and add them to the list. Draeco 07:20, 4 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Hey, Draeco. Did you find out anything interesting on campus?  I saw that you added some top-20 info.  Sounds good, but what was your source (just for my own curiousity)?  --Robby 16:18, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Greek Organizations
I propose to add a list of notable honor greek letter organizations (i.e. Phi Beta Kappa, Omicron Delta Kappa) present at UK and to limit the list of social greek letter organizations to those currently sanctioned by the IFC, Panhellenic, and National Panhellenic. I will proceed with these changes if there is no opposition. Mnc4t 18:15, 5 September 2006 (UTC)


 * No opposition here. This article needs expanding! :)  Seicer  (talk) (contribs) 18:24, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds good --rogerd 01:38, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I would like to direct everyone's attention to the Greek organizations' talk page.-- Blue a g 9  (Talk) 08:05, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Regarding two biased sections
Regarding "Campus safety" and "Race relations" - these both do not conform to a neutral standpoint and are clearly biased against the University. It is suggested that the editor who wishes to keep the sections intact should introduce citations and expand both sections to include:


 * 1) Decline in violent crimes on campus or introduce crime statistics,
 * 2) Improved lighting and other campus safety improvements as part of the Top 20 plan and other safety mandates,
 * 3) Percentage of "blacks" and other minorities in relation to the rest of the student body, tabalised by the prior years for readers to garner an understanding of where UK stands in minority enrollment to years past,
 * 4) Include all incidents that involved "blacks" and "whites" because they could be "racially motivated",
 * 5) Clean up the article to remove the unencylopedic tone.

Until then, the POV stays. If you have any regards, see WP:RFC. Note that I do not consider edits by to be valid: he was a contributing troll.  Seicer  (talk) (contribs) 22:15, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * After some major revisions, I've added the campus safety section back. I believe the writing is now more neutral and cleaner, and the citations are more thorough. I am not sure about where or how alcohol abuse on campus fits in -- is it part of campus safety or does it go elsewhere? Regardless, I think it is an element which needs to be mentioned, probably in more depth than I have done. I am still working on the "racial issues" section in my sandbox, feel free to help. Cmadler 19:20, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Kentuckian Yearbook merge
I'm not seeing how the article on the Kentuckian Yearbook will ever be much more than a stub, so I've placed tags proposing that it be merged into the University of Kentucky article. Kathy A. 22:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Agree: If the yearbook had a history of winning national awards or was in some way the "yearbook gold standard", it might merit its own article. As it is, though, it may be worthy of mention in the main article for University of Kentucky, but not its own article. Acdixon 17:36, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Agree: But what section would it go in? John Reaves 18:53, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Agree: It would go under Media, to answer the above question.  Seicer  (talk) (contribs) 19:12, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Merged per consensus. Former page redirects to this.  Seicer  (talk) (contribs) 19:20, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Logo
Does anybody know where to get a copy of the logo? I couldn't find a picture without some sort of subtext in it at the website. John Reaves 03:16, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Is this what you're looking for? Cmadler 16:10, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Campus safety - why include off campus incidents?
The third paragraph refers to an incident at the Red River Gorge and another incident where 2 women died of drowning off campus. I don't think this belongs here. The University can't protect UK students when they are off campus. --rogerd 23:32, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I have to agree with that... Valrith 23:49, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The two women died about 50 feet from campus, so that's relevant. There other case is relevant because illustrates the point about UK students and alcohol related deaths. John Reaves (talk) 23:59, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That location is way more than 50 feet from even the nearest University owned building, let alone anything that would reasonably qualify as "on campus". And this section of the article is about "campus safety", not "alcohol related deaths". Valrith 00:10, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It's right across Alumni Dr. which is is adjacent to campus. Change it to "Student safety" then. John Reaves (talk) 00:16, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll agree that all incidents are off campus. UK itself is a dry campus (has been since IIRC 2001), and there haven't been any alcohol incidents (similar to what was inputted) on campus itself. There have been _several_ off-campus incidents as a result of intoxication --
 * *Red River Gorge incident - nothing to do with campus safety. Student did not use best judgment (who does when they are intoxicated?).
 * *Intoxicated women drowning off of Alumni Drive after crossing a flooded walkway - nothing to do with campus safety. They did not use their best judgment, which reflects nothing on UK.
 * *Student killed while running from police. Ran onto the Norfolk Southern mainline and was hit by a train. Student certainly did not use best judgment and reflects nothing on UK.
 * *Student killed on New Circle after being released from jail on some intoxication charge IIRC.  Seicer  (talk) (contribs) 00:47, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * (indent reset) There is no difference between a student dying across the street from campus or on the Watterson Expressway. Either way, it doesn't reflect on the University and their ability to provide for the safety of students and other members of the university community. --rogerd 00:50, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree completely. That final paragraph should be struck from the article entirely. Valrith 01:09, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * While the individual deaths may not be relevant to this article, the pattern (of alcohol-related deaths by students) which they demonstrate surely is. (Do you really believe that alcohol-related deaths should be expected to occur annually at any large school?) Although UK has claimed to be a dry campus (since at least 1999, maybe longer), alcohol consumption continues to be widespread. Take a look at the trash left in the student section of Commonwealth Stadium after a big game. Heck, randomly ask a few students if there is any drinking on campus. Cmadler 15:22, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * But that has nothing to do with campus safety since all incidents occurred off campus. Now, if it happened say, in the William T. Young, that would be different. Drinking occurs everywhere, from Ohio State to UK; so do the deaths.  Seicer  (talk) (contribs) 17:14, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed, it's not UK's problem. Delete the info. - Draeco 21:54, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Article lacking adequate citations
This article is severely lacking in citations. It puts forward a lot of "facts" about the university to have only one citation for the entire article. For example, the article claims the University of Kentucky has "top 20 programs" in about some 13 different disciplines. If the article is going to make these claims it needs to back them up with some sort of reference. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.81.190.232 (talk) 23:15, 3 February 2007 (UTC).
 * It's on my priority list. I've been digging through Herald-Leader articles but haven't had much time to do that lately. I'll get to that as soon as I can.  Seicer  (talk) (contribs) 23:17, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I have added citations for many of the top 20 departments, though many of the sources are UK press releases (it's a start!). The university also maintains a list of nationally ranked programs. Cmadler 20:13, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

That's good I just wanted to know where the information was coming from. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 34african34 (talk • contribs) 01:50, February 7, 2007 (UTC)

Domestic Partner Benefits - undue weight
The section on the Domestic Partner Benefits controversy is as large as the rest of the history of the University. I think it needs to be reduced to one short paragraph. This is an encyclopedia, not an online newspaper. --rogerd 15:40, 8 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Or the history of the university could be expanded. Give me some time to work on the article, I can't do it all in one day (or night)! As such, this is an issue of huge concern to the university in attempting to reach one of its Top 20 goal -- retaining and recruiting faculty. Perhaps it can be moved down to that.  Seicer  (talk) (contribs) 15:48, 8 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Buildings at the University of Kentucky is also far larger than the history of the university as well. Just a thought.


 * Looking over the history, there is much that can be expanded upon to make it a much fuller article. My goal in the long-term is to bring this to a good article status, so perhaps we can "attack" one section at a time, improve it to good article standards, and move to another section to tackle? Since I've fleshed out domestic partner benefits, I am suggesting the next section would be the history as it is wholly unsourced and brief at best.  Seicer  (talk) (contribs) 15:52, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree completely that the history needs to be expanded and sourced. I appreciate the work that you are putting in on this.  I am a little concerned that there is too much detail about the domestic partner benefits, it may be a big issue right now, but in 1-5 years, it will be in everyone's rear view mirror, and it will look out of place.  See Recentism --rogerd 18:17, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

GA Evaluation
Progress can be seen here.  m ir a nd a   11:03, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I am done with my assessment.  m ir a nd a   09:53, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Post-Analysis
(copied from assessment) So much work was invested into making this article to be improved to GA status. I appreciate the hard efforts. However, issues still remain such as prose, manual of style, syntax of sentences, et. cetera. Thus, I can't pass this article as a GA. I suggest you to the LOC should help you along with other sources.  m ir a nd a   07:41, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Smoking ban
Could the smoking ban (in effect Nov 19, 2009) be added to the controversies section? There have been numerous articles in the Kernel regarding this; it is definitely an issue. JTFryman (talk) 17:43, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd be inclined to say yes, as long as it is presented in a NPOV way and cited to reliable sources. That shouldn't be too hard; I think there have been multiple local media outlets that have covered the issue in some depth. Acdixon (talk • contribs • count) 18:32, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

No faculty section?
Just a comment as a drive by reader, I was surprised to find no section on the faculty.Singingdaisies (talk) 04:10, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

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Proposed merge of Lewis Honors College into University of Kentucky
Not notable on own merits Rogermx (talk) 13:18, 20 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose merge This is an important department of the University and while it needs more work, it deserves a separate article, as all of the other colleges, i.e. College of Medicine, College of Engineering, etc. already do.  --rogerd (talk) 15:44, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support (in current state) Currently the article is cited primarily from the University website. It needs secondary sources to establish its notability on its own. If such sources cannot be found, then it should be merged in to the main article. TheMrP (talk) 01:56, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Given the lack of independent notability and as an alternative to deletion, ✅ Klbrain (talk) 10:42, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Inclusion of Pershing Rifles as a fraternity
The Pershing Rifles is not a fraternity, but a organization within Army ROTC, and is not single gender organization, like fraternities and sororities are. There is a similar organization in Air Force ROTC called Arnold Air Society that also doesn't belong in this list. I am not denigrating the organization, but it doesn't belong in this group. --rogerd (talk) 20:54, 20 October 2020 (UTC)