Talk:Upper Crust Pizzeria

Lawsuit
Sounds like a "guaranteed to settle" kind of lawsuit, so we'll never know who's right.--Milowent • talkblp-r 06:03, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Deleting 2-year-old allegation
The Boston Globe article supporting this allegation

In 2011, The Boston Globe reported that several former employees have claimed that United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is investigating the company's alleged hiring of illegal immigrants and other labor violations.





can no longer be found on the Globe site. The link is dead and a site search for the article title returns nothing. (The second source cites the Globe article.) This allegation by anonymous persons is not confirmed by the alleged investigating agency, denied by the target, supported by no other independent source and has not been repeated in the intervening two years. For these reasons, I have deleted it from this article. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 05:03, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The link's wrong, but I had no trouble finding the article here. There may be some kind of deal where the Globe only allows an individual to access the archives X times per month before having to pay, not sure. But anyway refs are not required to be online and one could check at any library that has back copies of the Globe. It's true that the people may have been lying, but not likely, and anyway we're not expressing an opinion on that but just saying "The Boston Globe reported..." which is true and notable. (Realistically, I don't think the Globe wouldn't have reported it if they didn't think that there was something to it.) The ICE presumably doesn't comment on open investigations, their failure to do so means nothing, as does the company's denial. It's pretty well established that that they were up to no good, I think; here we have "Upper Crust... depended on a steady pipeline of immigrant workers from the impoverished village of Marilac in Brazil, according to a Globe investigation published in 2010", so the Globe is standing by the story it appears.


 * However, I don't see anything right off that shows how the ICE investigation turned out, and it's now 2013. It seems possible that ICE decided not to further pursue the matter, which doesn't mean the Upper Crust didn't do it -- the ICE only has so many resources and maybe it was just too hard to go further. Or maybe they're still investigating, I don't know how long these things take. Herostratus (talk) 06:38, 16 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for finding that. Using the search box on the Globe's website turned up nothing for the article title. Yep, I'm locked out of free access for a month now - used up my quota. My deletion was mainly based on the WP:UNDUE nature of reporting unsubstantiated, unattributed assertions based on one 2-year-old source. It strikes me as piling-on. While you're here, if you're not over your quota, could you please check the veracity of "In early 2012, further allegations of criminality surfaced, as Jordan Tobins was placed on leave after using company funds for personal expenses." with its source ? For similar reasons I have qualms about us reporting 8-month-old criminal allegations (not charges or convictions) regarding a named individual. Does the source accuse him of criminality in that regard, or does it quote a named person accusing him of criminality in that regard? --Anthonyhcole (talk) 07:30, 16 February 2013 (UTC)


 * GabrielF has reworded the above.


 * Herostratus has restored the Customs and Immigration investigation claim. I do think it is undue but without the support of others will leave it be. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 08:28, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Image
I have an image I grabbed the other day in Cambridge, I'll post it Saturday AM. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 05:28, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

puff piece and globe link
This pizzeria was basically a crimminal enterprise; they engaged in large scale theft of wages, were ordered to pay back wages and damages, and then tried to cheat workers of this money how on earth does the intro reflect this ???

a link to the scandal is here http://www.boston.com/business/news/2012/11/07/upper-crust-pizza-chain-owes-workers-federal-labor-agency-says/acPJll7QPberqAZawKaQhI/story.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.91.49.238 (talk) 15:15, 1 September 2014 (UTC)