Talk:Uzbekistan/Archive 1

Totalitarian Dictatorship
Nazi Germany is described as a totalitarian dictatorship. Very few from today's countries are described in the same way. Why?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.109.188.9 (talk) 15:07, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Military #2
According to the CIA factbook, military expenditure is 2% of GDP, not 3.5%.

-G —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.117.158.83 (talk) 02:49, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Native name

 * O&lsquo;zbekiston Respublikasi
 * O&rsquo;zbekiston Respublikasi

Should that punctuation mark near the beginning be an apostrophe instead of a single opening quotation mark? &mdash;Michael Z. 03:57, 2005 Jan 19 (UTC)
 * Their government seems to prefer the opening quote --Gene s 05:28, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * Neither one. You correctly observe that the mark opens to the right, not to the left.  But it is an integral part of the letter oʻ and should be encoded as Unicode character U+02BB MODIFIER LETTER TURNED COMMA. – Stefan, 8 December 2005

THE TAJIK POPULATION IN UZBEKISTAN IS 5%????? Give me a break. I suppose you meant 55%. http://medlem.spray.se/Samarqand/index.html YOu might want to check the mentioned web site out. Peace!

Re Tajik population. According to the Soviet censuses of 1926, 1959, 1970 and 1979 respectively (found that in a 1983 British book on "Islamic Peoples in the Soviet Union") the Tajik percentage of the population of Uzbekistan (for 1926, excluding the Tajik Autonomous Republic within Uzbekistan, ie modern Tajikistan) was 21%, 23%, 23% and 23%. The Uzbek share of the population of Uzbekistan at these censuses was 66%, 62%, 66% and 69%. So, yeah, unless there's been some really major ethnic cleansing that somehow escaped the world's notice, the Tajik proportion of Uzbekistan's population is way over 5% - though of course nowhere near 55%. Sorry about that. Just noticed I misread my handwritten notes. The 21% - 23% - 23% - 23% line is actually the Uzbek share of the population of Tajikistan, not the other way round. The Tajik share of the population of Uzbekistan was about 4-5% throughout the period involved.

Military
This sentence: "Uzbekistan has demanded to withdraw the airbases from the territory of the country and now it is due to execution by the U.S. part." looks like a machine translation. I'm not sure whether or not it is trying to say:

"Uzbekistan has demanded that the US remove its airbases from the country and the US is now (October, 2005) in the process of doing so"

Also, given that the section refers to a complete article, I don't believe that it is valid to label it as a section stub.

--David Woolley 23:14, 31 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Be reasonable, Mr. Anglo-Saxon, not everybody can speak English like you - especially those who have just begun to actually learn it in the past decade or so. Yes, the mistake about the "section stub" bit needs rectification; it must have been missed. Clever of you to see it! A Central asian 23:23, 6 December 2005.


 * The alternatives to pointing out the problem with the wording here were to:
 * delete the sentence entirely (which could be justified because, as well as not being clear, there was a hint of an anti-American point of view and there was no identified source against which the claim could be checked and corrected);
 * substitute my understanding of the meaning, possibly completely mis-representing the intended meaning.
 * Instead, I put it here, highlighting the problem so that someone who understood Uzbek grammar could work out what was really intended. Of course, obeying the Wikipedia rules and providing a source would have avoided the problem, as I could have checked the source (which ought, except in really exceptional cases, to be in English) and re-written it, based on that source.  --David Woolley 10:52, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

2005-05-13 death toll of 1,000 no longer supportable
It is good that this part of the human right chronology is the one place that actually has sources properly identified, however...

Now that it is clear that the 700 and 1,000 figures for the death toll come from the same source (Radio Free Europe) and the 700 figure postdates the 1,000 figure by one day, I believe that the 1,000 figure is no longer supported by the available citations. Unless someone finds a better source, I propose reducing the upper bound to 700 in all three places where it is quoted. People who believe this is also high might want to search Radio Free Europe to see if they have further revised their estimates downwards.

Although the source for 500 is broken, one of the external links appears to me to be consistent with close to 500 (it reports few survivors from a crowd of 500).

Note that I'm working purely in terms of the sources provided. Wikipedia is supposed to reflect checkable sources which are independent of the contributors. I don't have any first hand knowledge of the country.

--David Woolley 21:54, 1 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm new to Wiki so please forgive me if this is unintentionally embarassing me. It seems that a user with no knowledge of Uzbekistan might be a potent editor for he or she has no biases.  On the other hand, there are verifiable human rights issues that make preconveived notions about the enlightened observer realize that Uzbekistan, in its current state, is ruled by a despotic tyrant scared silly that his power might be relinquished via democratic means.  If I need to link to more sources than the BBC then so be it.  Sufice to say that this was the worst massacre since Tianamen Square and the western counrties have done little in response.  The difference between 187, 700 and 1,000 matters little in light of the gestalt: Uz is headed into the arms (pun intended) of Russia's Putin.


 * Destabilizaion in the region is terribly worrying. Arguing over the numbers obfuscates the bigger, graver concerns. BrainDoc 02:27, 6 December 2005 (UTC)


 * It's a fundamental principle of Wikipedia that it reflects what is verifiable from reputable sources, and doesn't express any opinion of its own. As explained in the verifiability guideline, that may even mean that it conflicts with objective truth.  Wikipedia's failure to conform to these principles is one of its main problems at the moment; some serious academics are advising people to steer well clear of it because it contains too much opinion and unverified fact.
 * The most that Wikipedia can do is to find the best sources on both sides, and reflect them accurately. It should then be obvious to readers that someone isn't telling the whole truth and they should be able to make judgements about which source they most trust; the editor should not indicate a preference between sources and should not deliberately choose less trustworthy sources for one side or the other.
 * Wikipedia is not the right place to hold political campaigns.
 * By the way, your 1,000 citation comes from Radio Free Europe and is earlier than a citation from the same source that gives a lower figure. You need to find a citation from RFE that is later than 2005-06-23, otherwise the presumption has to be that they revised the figures downwards as the facts became more clear.
 * --David Woolley 13:18, 6 December 2005 (UTC)


 * The facts are still not clear because there has never been an independent investigation of the Andijan events. The government of Uzbekistan will not allow one. Witnesses who were there on the day, among them journalists working for the Institute for War and Peace Reporting and German broadcaster ARD, have said "hundreds, possibly even thousands" were killed. I refer you to Galima Bukharbaeva, for example, the award-winning journalist and witness from Andijan, who reported for IWPR, the BBC and CNN. She also wrote articles on the events in the Wall Street Journal and the International Herald Tribune. See: Where journalism is branded terrorism, IHT, 21 September 2005 Until an independent investigation occurs, "hundreds, possibly even thousands", is about as good a number as we can get.

Reasons for POV Check
Following mention of this page on General_complaints, I've looked over it and I get a very strong impression that several sections are written with a strong anti-government bias. This is particularly true of the human rights section, but there are examples elsewhere, e.g. in the recent history and Economy and in the second paragraph of the Demographics section.

The government view is rarely quoted and when it is it is qualified by emotive language. Emotive language is used in other places as well.

With the notable exception of the human rights chronology entry for 2005-05-13, no sources are cited for specific points. Lack of citations seems to be a common problem on Wikipedia. but when making the sorts of accusation made in this article, it is particularly important that every statement is traceable. Many may be covered by the external links, but its not realistic to work out which one relates to which claim. Those sources actually used, should, of course, be in a References section, but I have only just created one.

(I tried to improve the History, but there are still issues that are not properly covered, like competing claims for the nature of the victims, and the timeline is very fragmented, as whilst I straightened the timeline, I didn't fill any gaps.)

I'm marking this as POV-check, rather than POV simply because I'm sufficiently new to Wikipedia to want a second opinion.

--David Woolley 22:25, 1 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Well if you "don't know about the country", don't stick your neb into things you don't know till you find out properly... Your concern surely has filled this page up quite unnecessarily, hasn't it? Central Asian 6 December 2005.
 * For a non-technical subject, like this, it should not be necessary to know the subject in advance, as the article should quote sources from which all the stated facts can be verified, in particular, this is important for anything vaguely controversial. It is also usually quite easy to see when an article has been writen other than from a neutral point of view, even when it also fails the verifiabilty test.
 * Knowing the country is actually a disadvantage even for someone editing the article, because it means they are more likely to violate the third of the key principles of Wikipedia and include original research.
 * Incidentally, the reason I looked at the article was that someone who claimed to have been in the country at the time of the Andijon events wrote a complaint about Wikipedia in General complaints (probably soon to be archived), basically supporting the government position and claiming that Wikipedia was allowing itself to be used for propaganda. Like most people complaining, they probably didn't think it their responsibility to correct the problem they perceived, and it was also pointed out to them that they risked violating the original research rule.
 * --David Woolley 13:39, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

POV concerns, possible solutions
There are essentially four basic concerns quoted as the reasons for rasing the POV-check. Let me try to address them one by one.

1. Second paragraph of Demographics section is biased, lacks source references. Agreed. Such a strong claim as "the state deliberately closes Russian-speaking schools" must be supported by some statistics (not examples, which in this case would be inherently POV), or removed. Claim that "the proportion of school-aged persons enrolled has been dropping" is a hearsay, unless supported by reliable statistics. The whole statement about health care is non-informative. I mean, to the very least, reliable life expectancy figures are available for Uzbekistan, say, from the UN (e.g., is one of many available unbiased sources).

Proposal: remove the second paragraph of Demographics section altogether. Mark this section a stub.

2. Economy section is anti-government biased, lacks referencies. To some extent, agreed. Looks like the section was written some time around 2000, or only with the materials up to that year available. Existence of a separate article on Economy in Uzbekistan makes things somewhat better, however.

Proposal: remove the statement about IMF agreement - it's an old story, which, with a hindsight, hardly deserves to be mentioned in a short introductory article on Uzbekistan economy. Remove the last statement of the section - non-informative, obsolete. Add some cold hard numbers from, say,, citing the reference. To counterbalance possible POV concerns, add reference to, Uzbekistan economy statistics, as official as it gets.

3. Human rights section is biased, POV. I disagree. NPOV policy specifically requires "to fairly represent all sides of a dispute". By all means we should do that. However, in this particular case there seems to be no dispute. The government (silently) maintains that there is no issue with the human rights in Uzbekistan. There seems to be nothing resembling Soviet-style Agitprop, neither by magnitude, nor by quality of responce, within Uzbek counter-propaganda machine, whatever is the reason. I have thoroughly searched the official government site, the Uzbekistani National Information Agency site , googled the topic in two languages , and didn't find a single article confronting, say, the Human Rights Watch report , Amnesty International report , or others. Moreover, to my best knowledge, there is not a single NGO protesting the unfavorable reports. Ergo, there is no dispute. If anybody can prove me wrong, by all means, let's augment the section. The section does lack references, for sure. Moreover, it's badly written and looks more like a stub. However, it has nothing to do with the article overall, or the section being POV.


 * I was trying to find time to really do justice to commenting on this, but the short version is:
 * the language is emotive, not neutral;
 * it consumes a disproportionate part of what is supposed to be an overview page (note that the sidebar is part of this section, although someone moved it for presentational reasons - I'm not happy with mis-placing things for such reasons, but couldn't get support for the general principle that it was wrong on Help desk);
 * whilst there may be sources that back the general position, they are not currently listed as references, and in particular, very few of the chronology items have references, even though they are very specific claims;
 * it seems very strange to me that the government wouldn't have given some reasons for their policies, or even have denied the facts, but there is no apparenet statement as to the government's position - their position may be lies (e.g. they may be doing it for reasons of personal power), but the Wikipedia rules require reporting of what is documented (including documented speculation), not direct speculation;
 * there are now four mentions of the Andijon incident in the article, giving the imprssion that someone wants to rub this in for propaganda reasons, rather than simply report on the facts (and the variation between different sources for those facts).


 * As background, the way I got into this was that someone complained about the article on General complaints that the reporting on the Andijon incident was grossly untrue, saying that they were there at the time and they talked to locals, who were in general agreement with the government point of view. I looked at the article and pointed out that there were sources quoted (although not as sources) that did back a significantly higher death toll than the official figures which they quoted.  It's alsways possible that the person was an incompetent PR consultant for the government, but it did suggest that there is a real conflicting point of view.  I then looked more closely at the article, and concluded that more than half of was written as though by the opposition in exile.  I don't know what is true, although it does look to me that a lot is probably true, but what gets written needs to stick to the facts and be written as if by a dis-insterested party.  The cases should stand on the quality of the sources, not on the power of the rhetoric.


 * Things like really carefully looking at the language used are the sorts of things I still need time to do properly.
 * --David Woolley 23:59, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Proposal: Leave the section be, for now. Perhaps, add a statement that by a recent President's decree the capital punishment in Uzbekistan will be abolished on January 1, 2008 (this is one improvement in human rights amid the unmitigated disaster, after all). Keep in mind the "undue weight" clause of NPOV policy though...

These three proposals are put forward with the assumption that, if there is a consensus about (perhaps, a modified version of) them being enough to address the POV-check concerns, then, when they are implemented and there are no further objections, the POV-check can be removed. If you don't think this is a sound procedure, please make your point.

If we hear no objection in the near future, it goes without saying, as the spirit of Wikipedia dictates, everybody is welcome to implement the proposals, if they feel like it. I'll try my best too, of course.

24.46.225.163 07:02, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

All right, I hear no objections. Implementing the first proposal now, then. 24.45.13.60 22:49, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

I presume the discussion is now limited to two topics: Human Rights section and the original complaint about presentation of the Andijon events (that the opinionated people prefer to call Andijon massacre).

The language of the introdutory part of the article does sound somewhat emotive to me. As for the sub-chapter Freedom of expression, it looks pretty factual, if not completely impartial. If there are examples of language in the section that somebody particularly doesn't like, I'd appreciate one.

I completely agree that some referencies should be added for the facts quoted in the section. It's not hard to do and I'll try do it as time allows. I also agree that making the section shorter is desirable.

I do insist that in great majority of cases the government of Uzbekistan prefers not to discuss the accusation of particular human rights violations. This is not very unusual, as the following quote from Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 seems to show: "The topic is still a political taboo in mainland China, where any discussion on it is regarded as inappropriate or risky. The only media coverage is about the Chinese Communist Party's view: that it was a determined action to ensure stability". Now, this does not mean that Uzbekistani government doesn't try to justify its overall policies []. Moreover, Andijon events is really an exception. I mean, there is a plephora of pro-government descriptions of the events: [],[], and now even results of the trials []. NPOV policy clearly demands that the government version of Andijon events must be presented in the article (in a sence, it is presented in the sidebar, but in passing and lacks references). I just don't think it should necesserily be done in the Human rights section, where only one, rather carefully worded statement is devoted to Andijon. As for the other facts and tendencies mentioned in the section, I maintain that the government neither disputes them, nor offers an alternative interpretation, but simply dismisses them offhand. Alas, this statement itself is a POV...

The folks who are best situated to respond to this blather are too intimidated to respond. The government will use extreme measures against those who speak against current policy. This includes the above-referenced government versions of events that are well-known to be falsehoods. I've spoken to Uz government officials who have stated, bluntly, that they cannot speak about press releases that have been "authored" by them for fear that their families will suffer great harm; and thus, presenting Wiki's "POV" in this regard is as pointless as the press releases themselves.

I realize that I am not a verifiable source - what undergirds the majority of trustworthy Wiki pieces will not work for a balanced piece about the current government of Uzbekistan, unfortunately, and you'll have to trust this statement as fact. BrainDoc 02:38, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Nevertheless, some time ago I made an effort to rewrite Human Rights and Economy sections, paying special attention to trying to keep it NPOV within reason and providing referencies to many sources, including non-free, government-controlled ones. They may be factually inaccurate; they may be, and often, but not always, are (here I can expres POV, can't I?) sheer fabrications; but they represent the official position of the government. Even the pattern of responces, obvious desire to avoid discussing substance of the matter, is already informative.

Somehow I doubt that even after reading in full the government responce to the confirmed facts of gross violations of human rights, like torture, anybody in his/her right mind would be inclined to beleive it. I think the undue weight principle of NPOV helps here a lot. Because the "factual" POV is held by a majority of observers, it is easy to quote prominent sources. Sources supporting the government point of view are scarce, and simply can't be found outside of Uzbekistan.

With this in mind, I propose that the POV-check should now be removed. 24.184.85.127 07:01, 6 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I'll try to look over the article soon, but the rules of the game are that, if you believe you have fixed this sort of problem, you are allowed to remove the flag yourself. If someone disgrees, they can always put it back on. --David Woolley 18:34, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

As per user El_C request, I've added extensive (perhaps even ridiculuosly extensive) citations of the used sources so that the addition could be verified. 24.184.85.127 04:48, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Misgivings On History Section
We have this synopsis in the history section:


 * In the 1300s, Timur (1336 - 1405), known in the west as Tamerlane, overpowered the Mongols and built an empire. In his military campaigns Tamerlane reached as far as the Middle East. He defeated Ottoman Emperor Bayezid I and rescued Europe from Turkish conquest. Tamerlane sought to build a capital of his empire in Samarkand (largely a Tajik-populated city). The imagery of Tamerlane would be used later in history to construct an Uzbekistani national identity.

I'm not comfortable enough with this subject to make the change, but I'm fairly sure that "rescued Europe from Turkish conquest" is POV on several levels. Also, the last line is mysterious to me: who constructed this national identity, what did it consist of, and what sources do we have on that? Also, I've changed "Uzbekistani national identity" to "Uzbek national identity" since I think this sentence refers to the ethnic group, not the nationality. --Mopsy Fairlight 14:02, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

doubly landlocked?

 * The Republic of Uzbekistan is a doubly landlocked country in Central Asia. It shares borders with Kazakhstan to the west and to the north, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan to the east, and Afghanistan and Turkmenistan to the south.

Don't neighbors Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan both have shores on the Caspian Sea? If so, doesn't that mean Uzbekistan is not "doubly landlocked"?

68.156.53.188 15:29, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

This is entirely a matter of definition, but, the one widely accepted, and, in particular, presented in Wikipedia itself is this: '''A landlocked country is one that has no coastline. A coastline is properly, a line on a map indicating the disposition of a coast. The coast is defined as the part of the land adjoining or near the ocean. Finally, A landlocked country which is surrounded entirely by other landlocked countries may be called a "doubly landlocked" country.'''. All statements in bold are direct quotes from the corresponding Wikipedia articles. Informally, Caspian sea is considered an inner body of water ("a lake") and doesn't count as having a coastline. If not for existence of Manych Canal, that would simply be a topological fact. As it stands though, we'd just have to agree that the canal is too small (economically and geographically) to count. 24.184.85.127 06:22, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Weasel words
The portion of the article discussing recent activity involving the restriction of US military privileges contains weasel words. Phrases such as "moved into the orbit of ..." and "refused to criticize" are not acceptable per NPOV policy. I urge knowledgeable contributors to address these problems.

Cut the weasel words out, but the old version seems to me to be OK as far as NPOV goes. Dietmar 217.144.98.250 12:42, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

TURKAN HATUN?

When i was a little girl i read a book which took place in Khorezm Empire. It's like a fairy tale and cought me with it's magic. Since then i wanted to go to Urganj to see the Tilali Garden (i found out that it's still lies under the ground in Turkmenistan and old palace of Jelal Ed Din is not excavated yet).

I was looking for something about the woman called Turkan Hatun. I wanted to now more about the characters in the book and i learned a lot about Jelal Ed Din, Muhamed II... But data i found about her were very confusing.

According to that book, she was very cruel, ruled the great Khorezm Empire and she was a mother of shah Muhamed II, grand mother of a brave prince Jelal Ed Din but not very fond of him. She promoted the people of Kipchak but majority in Khorezm were Turkmenian. There was also mentioned very brave turkmen hero Kara Konchar and his maid... And that lasted untill Mongols conquered Khorezm 1221.

But now i found the information that she lived centuries ago and she was a wife of Sultan Melikshah who died in 1092.

As my country was under the Osman Empire for 500 years and their language had a great influence, i am aware that Turkan Hatun was not her real name, it's more like Turkish Lady and probably was used to describe more than one woman who had ipmact to the history of muslim people.

I would really apreciate if you know something about the Turkan Hatun who lived in Khorezm or where to find something about her.

Thanks a lot. Boka

Repository of images
Greetings,

I have made an Asian repository of images, similar to the one that exists for Europe. Please complete the part pertaining to this country as you see fit, preferably similar to those of France, Britain et al:

List of images/Places/Asia

Thanx.--Zereshk 14:56, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Keep the Links Trimmed
Please, do not add any more links to the article. I trimmed down nearly three quarters of the links placed on the page because they were completely spam. They didn't belong. The external links are meant to be less than a handful of USEFUL links, not every site googled. --Ownlyanangel 12:44, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

(Sorry about vandalism to this page on 02 Nov 2006. Wikipedia was part of a lesson at K12 school, and student vandalized before lesson was completed)

???Lessons??? Hm

Borat vandals
This article has been subject to a lot of vandalism recently, due to the film "Borat", which makes several negative references to Uzbekistan. Can somebody keep a watch on this or maybe protect the article?

I guess you're hinting that the word "Uzbekistan" isn't really Persian for "Land of the Assholes". Okay, I'll fix that. John Baez 06:44, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Someone else deleted the flag and put "america rules" as the national anthem. Uzbekistan is way more interesting than Kazakhstan will ever be! (think Samarkand, Bokhara, Khiva, Tashkent, Termez etc.) --w2ch00


 * Ehm. The sentences "a shit hole in middle east" and "that is full of shit" in the beginning of the article should be removed. /A

Tajik Population
I was trying to tie up some loose ends over the Tajik population numbers without cites, but my two sources contradict each other. Specifically, 2 million isn't only 4.8% of 25 million. There isn't strong agreement online, so if anyone can find consistent numbers that are true, please adjust the article to reflect them. The Behnam 03:37, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * A found a better source for the pop number. 1 million sounds about right.  The Behnam 03:44, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Uzbekistan reluctantly declared independence

Why reluctantly? Did want to stay a part of Russia? Why didn't they just stay?Tourskin 23:26, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

actually I fell so fed up with this fake uzbek nationalism I face in Uzbekistan and even here, concerning tajik population we can see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tajiks totall poulation of tajiks in Uzbekistan is about 7,5 mln people, it's not 1 mln. for sure, because even Karimov is half tajik, and all tajiks are inforced to be writen as uzbeks in their passports, because of the high level of uzbek nationalism. Actally, I can't understand Karimov, beeing half-tajik he hates tajiks, maybe because of his complexes from his childhood. Anyhow u have to work some more on the resources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.110.33.189 (talk) 10:33, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Origin of the Name Karakul
Can someone tell me about the origin of the name of the city Karakul in Uzbekistan? My understanding is that it means "black lake." Is this also the origin of the name of karakul sheep? Thanks! Twalls 20:14, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

size comparison
Uzbekistan is approximately the size of Morocco - is this comparison necessary? I think referring to Morocco's size adds no understandability.--212.1.237.41 23:44, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I would agree. HOWEVER I have seen many comparisons made to the U.S., would that be better? I.e. Uzbekistan is approximately the size of California.

-G —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.117.158.83 (talk) 02:51, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


 * That would add even less to the article. WTF knows what size California is? It's just part of the US Nil Einne (talk) 04:25, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Literacy rate
From the demographics section: "Uzbekistan has a 99.3% literacy rate among adults older than 15, which is, in part, attributable to the free and universal education system of the Soviet Union."

From the culture section: "Uzbekistan has a high literacy rate with about 88% of adults above the age of 15 being able to read and write."

So which one is it? Can anyone find some recent official sources? Flutefreek 11:59, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Here in the CIA factbook it's written that literacy rate is 99.3%. I believe it's the official Uzbekistani figure as well. Alæxis¿question? 12:07, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I was too lazy to look it up myself Flutefreek 12:19, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * On a related note, List of countries by literacy rate reproduces the literacy rate table from the UN Development Programme Report 2005, and includes that 99.3% figure. That same report also lists the number of children in education for most countries, but they were unable to get a figure for Uzbekistan. I'm wondering where the ref is for "only 88% of the under 15 population currently enrolled in education". Bazzargh 10:28, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Where's the secion on politics? Practically every other state's article has one. There's already an article about it ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Uzbekistan ), so why isn't there a link here? Or a shorter version thereof? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.59.232.6 (talk) 07:08, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Name in Cyrillic and in Russian?
This seems a little confusing. Cyrillic is the writing system in which Russian as well as other eastern European languages are written. On coins the name is written only in Cyrillic. Perhaps the entry might say something like, "In Roman writing:" and "In Cyrillic writing". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Parmadil (talk • contribs) 03:22, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

In the past week or so, someone has added Russian as an official language. Every source I've seen indicates that Uzbek is the sole official language of Uzbekistan, including this article until late December. I think a citation is needed if something has changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.202.242.180 (talk) 20:11, 10 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Showing the name in "Uzbek" and "Russian" (as opposed to "Roman text" and "Cyrillic text") is not dependent on whether or not either one is an official language. It's just done this way because those are the two major languages spoken in the country. If whether or a language is official is the benchmark then that would cause problems for a ton of other articles across the Wiki world. For example, if that were the convention then the French Wiki article for the USA would not be able to list the country's name in English since the US doesn't have any official languages. I'm sure you'll agree that this would be pretty absurd! Of course, this is all separate from noting in this article whether or not Russian is an official language of Uzbekistan, which of course we should do accurately. -- Hux (talk) 23:04, 16 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Why is the profile box shown only in Roman letters? I'd be fairly shocked if Cyrillic text was the only system in present use for the Uzbek/Özbek/O'zbek/Ўзбек language. I realise the government officially endorses only one, but how complete can this process be? For starters, most of the population grew up with Cyrillic as their sole script, secondly, their continued contact with the rest of Central Asia, along with their ethnic Russian population, must render Cyrillic a fairly common script within the republic still.


 * I'm frankly even a little surprised there's no Russian name in the profile box. However I'm not going to make either of these changes without being told why this is probably a bad idea. Hit me back party people.

סרסלי, קײק פּלז (talk) 07:10, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Uzbekistani?
The source cited for the claim that Uzbekistani is the correct demonym and adjective is the CIA World Factbook. A Google Scholar search gives 152 results for "Uzbek economy" and only 5 for "Uzbekistani economy." It may be that this is another one of those -i words, like Afghani for "Afghan," that we've been seeing a lot of in the press, but which are basically mistakes. I'm not sure how much faith to put in the World Factbook, so I'm putting a "verify credibility" tag on it. I can't find Uzbekistani in a dictionary. Maybe somebody else can.Joeldl (talk) 16:55, 16 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Please see the relevant discussion here. Otebig (talk) 22:38, 16 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I replied to your similar question at Talk:Kyrgyzstan and my answer applies to "Uzbekistani" as well, I think. -- Hux (talk) 22:51, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

National anthem
national anthem info http://www.thenationalanthems.com/country/uzbekistan.htm and http://www.national-anthems.net/~davidk/uz.htm and http://www.abacci.com/atlas/anthem.asp?countryID=355. maybe I'll add the new page myself. gotta read the stuff on using sources first...

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.231.209.50 (talk) 05:30, 4 August 2003 (UTC)

Double landlocked?
Uzbekistan borders, inter alia, on Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan, both of which have access to the Caspian Sea. Do Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan qualify as landlocked? If not, then Uzbekistan is not double-landlocked... Can someone clarify?--Zlerman (talk) 09:53, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Uzbekistan also has an access to Aral Sea. This doesn't make it non-landlocked. And Caspian Sea is also technically a lake. Alæxis¿question? 20:49, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Bot report : Found duplicate references !
In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :) DumZiBoT (talk) 06:31, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
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 * Statistical Yearbook, State Statistical Committee of Uzbekistan, Tashkent, 2005
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 * July 2007 estimate; CIA World factbook, Uzbekistan
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Formation 1747?
It is unreasonable to say that Uzbekistan was formed in 1747 (in the right-hand information column). What about the Khanates of Bukhara, Kokand, Khiva, in the 18th and 19th centuries? What about Turkestan? The idea of Uzbekistan with the current boundaries is 20th century. We shouldn't confuse the formation of the current boundaries of Uzbekistan with the formation of the "Uzbek" tribal identity. Dwdettma (talk) 17:43, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Uzbek Cosmonaut and Metro Kosmonavtov station
There is an incorrect reference to Salizhan Sharipov in relation with Metro Kosmonavtov station. Salizhan Sharipov has flown into space only once in 1998, Metro Kosmonavtov sation was built in 1984, that is 14 years before Sharipov's flight. In fact the sation's decoration was inspired by the achievements of the soviet cosmonaut Vladimir Dzhanibekov who was born in Tashkent region in 1942. The statue of Vladimir Dzhanibekov is mounted near one of the sation's entrances. But the station's decoration is not dedicated solely to Vladimir Dzhanibekov, it pictures various key achievements of all mankind in space exploration.77.41.80.54 (talk) 23:07, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Uzbeks
The History section seems incomplete: Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 13:23, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * What happenned during the era between Sasanid and Mongol empires (roughly 6 centuries)?
 * Uzbekistan is named after Uzbeks. Although there is a seperate article of Uzbeks wouldn't it be more appropriate if the origin of Uzbeks is summerized briefly in this article also ? (other than an ambiguous sentence stating that the Uzbeks began a wholesale invasion of Mawarannahr.)

It is interesting u mention this. Everytime that I contribute about it's history the user Alessandro57 keeps changing things back to a version which obviously has been tampered by Iranian propagandists who in every aspect try to make the regions history exclusively persian and anything and Everything that relates to it's Turkic history is "mongol and brutal". The part about complete genocide and wiping out of the iranian people of the region is complete bullocks. Evidently the region was ruled largely my turkic empires, however some people who actively sit around on their computer 24/7 keep changing back whatever changes i make to the previous pro-persian version. this page should be pro-fact not pro-persian. any reader who knows history will automatically know that this page has been tampered with by fascists like Alessandro57 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.141.84.207 (talk) 17:19, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Religion in Uzbekistan
Every other country's article on Wiki has a 'Main article: Religion in X'. Uzbekistan's article only has 'Islam in Uzbekistan', but the article says Orthodoxy is practiced there as well. There's also a very long-winded article on 'Freedom of Religion in Uzbekistan' that needs to be updated as of 2007. --IronMaidenRocks (talk) 15:41, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Statements needing citation
I want to get opinions from other users. In the foreign relations section, there are two statements that I think should be cited:


 * "When the U.S. joined in a call for an independent international investigation of the bloody events at Andijon, the relationship took an additional nosedive, and President Islam Karimov changed the political alignment of the country to bring it closer to Russia and China, countries which chose not to criticise Uzbekistan's leaders for their alleged human rights violations."


 * "It is also believed by some Uzbeks that the protests in Andijan were brought about by the U.K. and U.S. influences in the area of Andijan. This is another reason for the hostility between Uzbekistan and the West."

These statements seem kind of dubious to me. I'm not arguing whether either one is right or wrong, I just believe they should be verified as factual and not POV. Thoughts? Spartan198 (talk) 12:31, 11 August 2010 (UTC)


 * The first one is well known, you can read it among others in the book Descent into Chaos, by Ahmed Rashid. About the second I cannot say the same. Never heard it before. Cheers, Alex2006 (talk) 12:48, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Foreign Relations
When the Foreign Relations section was last updated, it was not certain if the status of the US bases would change. Was it negotiated and settled with the US paying more for the lease? Could someone look at this again to see what the outcome was? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Javaweb (talk • contribs) 21:08, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

World map in article is wrong
The world map in the article featuring Uzbekistan is grossly wrong. If one looks closely, it can be noticed that Kashmir, in the top north of Republic of India, and is a part of the India, is being shown as being a part of Pakistan. This needs to be corrected immediately or else the implications can be unpleasant due to political reasons. Request the author of the article to correct the error in the map immediately. Thanks!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.123.174.115 (talk) 08:13, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Conflicting Literacy rates
The literacy rate for Uzbekistan is mentioned twice and the two references offer different percentages — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.184.130.172 (talk) 16:15, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

GDP
GDP per capital is wrong. Could you please recheck. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.11.156.163 (talk) 12:25, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Bell Pottinger incident
The Bureau of Investigative Journalism secretly recorded meetings with Bell Pottinger, where they posed as representatives of the Uzbek government, but there has been no indication that anyone from Uzbekistan was actually involved or aware of this. I've removed language that makes it sound as if the meetings were with bona fide representatives of Uzbekistan. Gobonobo T C 04:18, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Misleading information
The literacy rate of the country is presented in two instances: The numbers are quite different. Please check the sources and present proper information without redundancies.ElectroKid (☮ • ✍) 19:45, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) End of demographics section
 * 2) Education section

Potassium
I removed a mention in the lede of potassium as a major economic product. I've consulted sources such as the USGS, World Factbook, and Library of Congress and none of them mention potassium or potash in connection with Uzbekistan (although some connect it with the former Soviet Union in general). It's not among the top 12 producers of potash according to that article, and not mentioned elsewhere in this one. This is probably Borat-based vandalism; in the movie, Uzbekistan is portrayed as an enemy of Kazakhstan, the world's greatest producer of potassium. --BDD (talk) 21:14, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It appears to have been added by an IP vandal in December 2009. Thanks, WikiBlame! Doesn't exactly reflect well on us that it stood for so long, however. --BDD (talk) 21:30, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

vandalism or error ? Image link wrong
A high speed locomotive image is in place of the statuette of the caption.

G. Robert Shiplett 14:26, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Text cited in article
I am assuming that the cited text ''Lubin, Nancy. "Early history". In Curtis.'' refers to: "Kazakstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan: Country Studies (Area Handbook Series)" Edited by Glenn E. Curtis, Publication Date: November 12, 1997, ISBN-10: 0844409383, ISBN-13: 978-0844409382, Edition: 1st ed?

Not only has it been used here, but copiously in History of Uzbekistan, and Uzbeks. The name of the chapter(?) is unknown and no pages numbers have been provided. In the context, I find it difficult to feel convinced that it is a genuine citation. For the moment, I'm tagging it for page number/s. Hopefully, someone can assist me further with this difficult-to-obtain text. If it isn't properly sourced, I'm sorely tempted to remove it. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:51, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Intention to edit
3world Kid (talk) 11:30, 25 February 2015 (UTC) I just wanted to let those interested know that I intend to place a note on the Haiti Republic page regarding Haiti's statistics on the global issue of modern slavery. I believe the edit to be objective and in the interests of futhering human rights in Haiti. Should there be objections on the basis of undue weight or similar, please let me know.
 * This page is to talk about about the Uzbekistan page. I think you have the wrong page! 220  of  Borg 08:27, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Iranian Nomads
This article provides uncited references to the possibility of Iranian nomads arriving in Uzbekistan but provide no sources for citation. Furthermore they are stated as coming from Kazakhstan which isn't known for any strong Iranian affiliation, but rather a kurgan or barrow building people perhaps associated with the Fedorovo or Scythian culture. If so this should be changed to kurgan nomads in order to soften the conspicuous inaccuracy.Grathmy (talk) 21:58, 12 November 2014 (UTC)grathmy

The Uzbekistan website uses the term 'Indo-Iranians' on their 'History' section. And a Russian Archaeologist, Kuzmina, wrote about 'Indo-Iranians' in her recently updated book. Maybe an edit to 'Indo-Iranian' might be appropriate? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.104.23.4 (talk) 21:31, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Jews in Uzbekistan
This article states that "According to local traditions Jews began to settle in the area 2,000 years ago after the exile from the kingdom of Israel by the Babylonians" but this doesn't quite make sense and is unsourced. The Babylonian exile was about 600 BC, and the Romans expelled the Jews around 70 AD. Based on the wording it is probably referring to the former. However, the Babylonian empire ceased to exist in the 500s BC. The Kingdom of Israel however was destroyed by the Assyrians prior to the Babylonian exile, it was the Kingdom of Judah that was exiled. Anyway, this should be clarified and sourced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.206.186.174 (talk) 14:16, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

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I added the sourced information, the source you are removing, a secondary source confirms that Islam is religion of Uzbekistan, you are replacing the secondary source with "Constitution of Uzbekistan", which is a primary source. The BBC source is an English language source and mentions both Russian and Tajik as other languages after the Uzbek. It does not distinguish which language is mostly used. Its also factually wrong that Russians comprise of 5.4% of the population but their language is spoken by 70%. You need to push the stop button and discuss that matter instead of continuing your changes. Further continuation of changes without discussion would be considered an edit-war.  Sh eri ff  |  ☎ 911  | 15:22, 4 September 2016 (UTC)


 * No, that is true. Firstly, of you lived in Uzbekistan, you would know that. Secondly, BBC is not a source for the religion. Uzbekistan officially is secular and that is written in the constitution. In addition, people are not allowed to wear burkas in Uzbekistan, go to the mosques when they are kids, because the country is truly secular. About the prime language - please add sources written by linguists and people who are trusted in Central Asia Studies, and not journalists. All the best, Lingveno (talk) 15:26, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Does freedom of religion means that the state has any religion? No. It means that it is secular. Besides, if you knew Russian, you would read the date provided in the sources which I have added - it is written that 90% of people studying in academic lyceums (prestigious type of high school) study in Russian as a prime language. There is a minority studying in Tajik. --Lingveno (talk) 15:30, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't need to live in Uzbekistan to edit an article about Uzbekistan. Secondly, your arguments about invalidating the BBC source has no value. BBC is considered a WP:RS and is a secondary source and it does clearly say Islam being Uzbekistan's religion. Constitution is a primary source and is an uninterpretted one. It doesn't matter to Wikipedia how actually the life is on the ground in Uzbekistan.  Sh eri ff  |  ☎ 911  | 15:35, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * How Islam is an official religion when by the law it is not? I can give you thousands of references saying clearly that Uzbekistan is secular -   --Lingveno (talk) 15:41, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Secularism is not a religion. The religion field in the infobox template is not for what the constitution says. It's for the religion of people residing inside that state. You have languages and ethnicities in the infobox, do you think the Constitutuin of Uzbekistan says that Russian language is for inter-ethnic communication and should be mostly used in the country and the constitution mentions all the ethnicities and their percentages? Why the double standard when it comes to religion field?


 * You also restored a piece of text in "Jewish community" section which is in violation of copyrights. Jewish population is only few thousand in Uzbekistan, why do we have such a huge section describing their history. That much is giving an undue weight in a country article.  Sh eri ff  |  ☎ 911  | 21:56, 4 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I gave you sources for Russian as a main language. --Lingveno (talk) 05:17, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Aral Sea Size/Volume
In the Environment section there is this statement concerning the Aral Sea: "it has shrunk to less than 50% of its former area and decreased in volume threefold." This is nonsensical. Could someone with knowledge of the Aral Sea please correct the statement about its decrease in volume? Is it one third of its former volume? Does "threefold" refer to its current volume, meaning that now it is one fourth of its former volume? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.12.143.51 (talk) 14:28, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

REQUEST: can anyone add some information about Ishkor, a ceramic glaze from Uzbekistan?
This is an ancient glaze made by burning dried herbs in a special way (and I believe there is more to the process); the plant matter contains minerals from the soil, that are responsible for the colors. There is an extensive volume on Google Books, Conservation of Ancient Sites on the Silk Road. (No, I am NOT qualified to do this!!) Martha (talk) 18:59, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Genetics
The referenced paper has no conclusion about Uzbek people's origins. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.114.69.250 (talk) 04:26, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

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 * I've changed the coordinates of the country to a point nearer the center. Better now? Deor (talk) 13:19, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

De facto official?

 * I resent your edit summary here. I just happened to come across this article and made a few edits in good faith. Please read WP:VANDALISM and then explain how my edits constitutes vandalism.

I do not patricipate in edit wars, so I will not revert. However, the time for discussion instead of reverting is long overdue. You could start by explaining how something can be de facto official. To me it sounds like an oxymoron. --T*U (talk) 08:29, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I am willing to discuss this with you, yes. It isn't an oxymoron because of what de facto and de jure mean.
 * Please observe Wikipedia's own page on the matter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_facto "In law and government, de facto (/deɪ ˈfæktoʊ/ or /di ˈfæktoʊ/;[1] Latin: de facto, "in fact"; Latin pronunciation: [deː ˈfaktoː]) describes practices that exist in reality, even if not officially recognized by laws." This is the case of Russian in Uzbekistan. It is (as sources show) widely used in government services, (and can be used in notary services, as the Constitution provides) without having any legal justification. This is a situation that makes it de facto official.
 * If you continue to read down further, it says "Several countries, including Australia, Japan, Mexico, the United Kingdom and the United States, have a de facto national language but no official, de jure national language." and "Some countries have a de facto national language in addition to an official language. In Lebanon and Morocco the official language is Arabic, but an additional de facto language is also French."
 * These are opposed to De jure, which says (By Wikipedia's own standards): In law and government, de jure (/deɪ ˈdʒʊəri, di-/; Latin: de iure, lit. 'in law' Latin pronunciation: [deː juːre]) describes practices that are legally recognised, regardless whether the practice exists in reality.[1] In contrast, de facto ("in fact" or "in practice") describes situations that exist in reality, even if not legally recognised. Lamensi (talk) 08:38, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * 1) I have indented your reply for easier navigation, please see WP:INDENT about indentation in talk pages. 2) Also please read WP:MINOR about use of the "Minor" tag. Most of your edits are not minor. 3) I ask you to acknowledge that you have read WP:VANDALISM and that your edit summary was inappropriate.
 * Re "de facto" / "de jure" vs. "official": None of your quotes support the claim.
 * practices that exist in reality, even if not officially recognized by laws: "exist in reality", but "not officially" is not the same as "de facto official".
 * de facto national language but no official, de jure: equates "official" with "de jure" as opposed to "de facto"
 * official language is Arabic, but an additional de facto language: "official" is opposed to "de facto".
 * All indicate that "offical" is equal to "de jure", in contrast to "de facto". The construction de facto official is your original research, see WP:OR. --T*U (talk) 10:45, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, I have read the pages you linked on vandalism and minor edits, thank you. My markings of edits as minor was indeed a mistake, and I apologise. However, I must ask if you read through the entire articles? I did not invent the term "de facto official" as you have implied by saying it is my "original research", as it is listed right here : In New Zealand, Maori and New Zealand Sign Language are de jure official languages, while English is a de facto official language. and here Russian was the de facto official language of the central government and, to a large extent, republican governments of the former Soviet Union, but was not declared de jure state language until 1990. A short-lived law effected April 24, 1990, installed Russian as the sole de jure official language of the Union. Quite clearly, de facto is not always opposed to official. The examples you gave imply a semantic meaning by "de facto" that you have not seemed to parse. For example, de facto national language but no official, de jure: does not contrast de jure and de facto, but that the national language (in the case of the USA for example, English), being the de facto official language of the country, as opposed to the de jure, legal clarification of the role of the language.


 * Or another, official language is Arabic, but an additional de facto language: refers to the de jure status of Arabic in Morocco, with the de facto (official) status of French. These are semantic meanings. De facto is not a state of language. You won't find a page on Wikipedia that says a language is De facto, full stop. De facto is a description of a specified role. As you will see in the provided links. Official, Recognised, and Unrecognised are.


 * As an additional point, given what I noted above, you must concede that English is not an official language of New Zealand and should be removed from the page, by your logic. It is not clarified in law, while NZSL and Maori are. But that would be ridiculous, no? It is by and large absolutely clear for Wikipedia standards that English functions as an official language in New Zealand, which is why it's listed as one. This same standard is applied to Uzbekistan, as it would be with any other country. There's no bias in that. Lamensi (talk) 12:41, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * My meaning was not to say that the construction de facto official can never be used. It will certainly be possible to talk about a de facto official language when there is no de jure official language, but hardly when official languages are defined (de jure). The sentence official language is Arabic, but an additional de facto language for Morocco is actually a good example, since it does not claim that the additional language is official. Your addition of "(official)" to this sentence in the de facto (official) status of French is WP:OR. French is not official or (official) in Morocco. Therefore French is not mentioned as official or (official) in the Morocco article.
 * I came across this article by chance and I will probably not be working more on it. It is obvious that there is currently no consensus in the case, so my advice is to work out a consensus in the talk page, preferably through a WP:RfC. Good luck!
 * You say that you have read about vandalism, but as I read you, you apologise for marking edits as minor, but not for calling my edits vandalism. I would suggest that you acknowledge that your edit summary here was inappropriate. My edits were not vandalism, and I resent the insinuation. --T*U (talk) 14:08, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I want to apologise for my comments to you, although I did mean them for the random IP editor who had deleted the sources without any discussion several times from multiple accounts despite many reverting the edits and asking them to give a reason first other than "I am a lawyer" and "The constitution says.." But still, that reflected onto you and it was not fair to you. So I apologise. Discussions on here should never get so heated because everyone should be trying to build a better wiki. But I'm glad I had this discussion with you and I'm starting to agree to your point more, and I feel that calling it "official" may be a bit inappropriate, although I think we do need more dsicussion as you say than just deleting it all unilaterally as some IP hopper has been doing over the past month. All the best Lamensi (talk) 14:52, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

As a native uzbek and citizen of Republic Uzbekistan, I can assure you accoring to Constitution of the Republic of Uzbekistan states

Part one. Fundamental principles Chapter I. State sovereignty,

Article 4.

The state language of the Republic of Uzbekistan shall be Uzbek.

“The official language of Uzbekistan is solely Uzbek, according to Article 4 of the Constitution. There's no single legal act that states that Russian is the second language” - nor “de facto”. So please stop adding to “Official Languages Section”

Dear User:Flashuz, please confirm to me that you have read the argument above. What the Constitution says is not important to what we are debating here. Citing it is not relevant (in other words, it isn't arguing anything) Lamensi (talk) 13:57, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Then stop adding Russian as “de-facto” to Official Language section. Flashuz (talk) 13:59, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

With the same success you can add English “de-facto” to Official Language. So your facts are irrelevant in all means in this very argument. Flashuz (talk) 14:02, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

User:Flashuz, to continue this discussion, could you please tell me what de facto and de jure mean? The only way to have a discussion here is by agreeing on terminology. Lamensi (talk) 14:05, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

User:Lamensi, excuse me as I don’t see any further reasons to go on with this argument, I will keep stay on my own opinion. Thank you! Flashuz (talk) 14:09, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

User:Flashuz, deleting sourced information requires discussion. You can debate the validity of the sources. But you cannot on Wikipedia delete sourced information without discussion. Because the status of Russian was sourced, you have to discuss it before just deciding to unilaterally change everything. Regards, Lamensi (talk) 14:12, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Dear User:Lamensi, I apologize for reverting, I just wanted to add Official language “and national language”, however, I couldn’t, that’s why I reverted. I don’t mind to add Russian as interethnic. Regards Flashuz (talk) 20:04, 10 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Just to stress, official can only refer to the languages recognised de iure, as the meaning of official implies. — kashmīrī  TALK  19:50, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Which status to assign Russian
The language has clear cited presence enough to not put it in the same category as Tajik or Karakalpak, which are not used in wider communication as inter-ethnic languages, but also does not mean the requirements of a fully official language, such as Uzbek. Here we should reach consensus on what to assign the language. --Lamensi (talk) 13:09, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

The language law of Uzbekistan stipulates a number of languages, Karakalpak language is the regional language stipulated by Uzbek law, which should undoubtedly be displayed in the language column, also refers to the official status of Uzbek, as mentioned in the 12th article of Russian in law. Some official proofs should be translated into Russian, which means that Russian is a language used to make non-Uzbek speakers widely understood. There is no doubt about interethnic communication. https://www.refworld.org/docid/3ae6b4d328.html


 * I propose that we need to assign Russian status as a de facto National language in some way. It has been referred to as an interethnic language, but the rest of the list underneath Russian are by no means "interethnic" in Uzbekistan. There are many sources that cite the use of Russian by the government as well as prominently in higher education and business. Clearly it has a particular status, however as of now that status is not official. https://eurasianet.org/uzbekistan-a-second-coming-for-the-russian-language#:~:text=media%2C%20Umarova%20argued.-,Russian%20has%2C%20despite%20its%20official%20decline%20in%20status%2C%20managed%20to,one%2Dthird%20of%20the%20population. https://vesti.uz/russkij-yazyk-nam-ne-chuzhoj/ --Wbvillerius (talk) 09:53, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

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Suggestion for section on science and technology
Hi, just a suggestion, many country articles have sections or subsections for 'science and technology', this could be a section on this article as well.

Thanks

John Cummings (talk) 11:01, 3 September 2021 (UTC)