Talk:Verbal abuse

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Copyright violation was introduced with edit at 15:57, 4 May 2011 by user Plusapiano. Removing the problem text is not an option because it would render the article unreadable. Reverted to last non-infringing version as per Copyright violations IamNotU (talk) 12:27, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

I reinstated as much material as I could, to reflect later edits to the non-infringing text and references. IamNotU (talk) 13:25, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Excessive undo/redo's - please discuss!
There appears lately to be a repetitive cyle of undo/redo edits on this article. Editors, please use this talk page to discuss your concerns instead, and come to a consensus. Edit wars are not acceptable. IamNotU (talk) 13:03, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Introversion
isagree with this sentence: “Because of this, victims may fall into clinical depression, posttraumatic stress disorder, and become introverted.” It implies that introversion is somehow a condition or mental illness. I have removed the last part since there are no sources for the statement anyway. --S.dedalus (talk) 00:47, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I think if you remove the word "introverted" and replace it with "withdrawn" the sentence makes sense. I do agree that a citation would be good. 219.89.86.49 (talk) 05:05, 3 February 2011 (UTC) I disagree with the label of introversion. That is a personality type, and not a psychological description of one who is abused. I think the use of the term dissociation might be more of a better description of a person who has been psychological and emotionally abused. A person does not become introverted but is more withdrawn like prey when a preditor attacks.

Introversion as a personality type is about how one processes the world in an inner way. It has nothing to do with how one reacts to abuse. A better word is withdrawn or in a state of dissociation or pain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wildernessrose49 (talk • contribs) 17:01, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

List of terms
The extensive list of terms that could be verbal abuse seems unencyclopedic. Is it really necessary to list different, cruel ways to say fat or ugly? I recommend deleting this section because of its redundant "naughty word" tone.Naniwako (talk) 19:12, 14 June 2008 (UTC)Naniwako

"People who feel they are being attacked by a verbal abuser on a regular basis SHOULD seek professional counsel and remove themselves from the negative environment if possible." - I don't think it's appropriate for an encyclopedia to give advice. 64.148.41.93 (talk) 15:40, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

"Advice" on receiving verbal abuse
"Actions the victim or target can take include: can reciprocate w/physical abuse,just be quick to act and definitive w/your actions.
 * Find a trusted friend, a support group (such as CODA), or a counselor to discuss the situation. A network of supportive relationships can strengthen and uplift.
 * Learn about healthy relationships.
 * Remember that we are all valuable and deserve to be in relationships where we feel safe."

I am removing this content because it sounds like advice on how to deal with verbal abuse, as opposed to encyclopedic content involving verbal abuse. It is also entirely void of citations. Accelerometer (talk) 04:59, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Low Regard for Him or Herself
"The underlying factor in the dynamic of verbal abuse is the abuser’s low regard for him or herself. The abuser attempts to place their victim in a position to believe similar things about him or herself, a form of warped projection." I disagree with this part, especially the second statement - can someone provide a source? I'm no expert, but from related material that I have read, it really doesn't seem to fit (certainly not in all cases). Can any experts verify this/provide some thoughts?219.89.86.49 (talk) 05:16, 3 February 2011 (UTC) I really think this is valuable to have some form of reality here, for persons who need some help. Advice is good for persons who may be caught in this web of deceit....please have a section on how to get out of this web of abuse. It is valuable. For me it was to go get some reality with other women at awomens crisis center to confer with other women and to realize that I was not to blame. Also recommendations of the website, verbalabuse.com is an incredible learning tool to help those in need by Patricia Evans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wildernessrose49 (talk • contribs) 17:09, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

As much as I can sympathize, there are dozens if not hundreds of resources giving advice on what to do in abusive situations. An Encyclopedia shouldn't be one of them. Sorry. 97.118.32.113 (talk) 16:54, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Clarification and/or source for the "young age"
I find the following sentence problematic: "If started at a young age, verbal abuse contributes to codependency, borderline personality disorder, narcissistic personality disorder, and other psychological disorders that often plague many people into adulthood."

It may be true that exposure to verbal (or any kind of) abuse of young people leads to many conditions in adulthood but the sentence gives the impression that exposure in adulthood makes the latter group immune to downstream conditions. If it is really so, it needs to be stated clearly and marked with a reliable reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Esery (talk • contribs) 13:10, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

What has happened to the contents of this article from 14th November 2010?
Please bear with me. I am a relative newbie to Wikipedia and so far have only done a few minor edits such as spelling corrections and grammar. As I am mentally and physically disabled and chronically sick I need to keep things as simple as possible. I have a copy of this article which I saved in my psychology folder on 14th November 2010. I am using the items in my psychology folder for self education and for psychotherapy and for passing on links and referrals to others. I recently prepared some minor addition edits offline in Windows Notepad for part of this article but have not yet had the opportunity to add them. I was dismayed when I looked at the article again online today to find that most of the content has disappeared, including the part to which I wanted to add my edits. Most of my distress is because the bits that have disappeared were the simplest and the most helpful bits for the victims of verbal abuse. Why have they been removed? Please could they be put back? Was there a problem with copyright on those portions? The article appears to me to have been vandalized and seems to be nothing more than an advertisement for one particular book and all the rest of the content has been removed. I am therefore not going to overwrite my old copy of this article with the new one as I usually do with Wikipedia pages on my computer. I am very disappointed. I have just referred some people to this article and now it does not contain the bits I particularly wanted them to read; and the work which I have taken the trouble to do is now useless.81.99.104.50 (talk) 13:43, 21 November 2011 (UTC).

I have now discovered the point at which the sections I am interested in disappeared, and have left a message for the editor asking them to please replace them. Having looked at their edit history, I now think that the removal of those sections may have been an error rather than vandalism. I don't know though whether they read their log and see their messages :).81.99.104.50 (talk) 15:54, 21 November 2011 (UTC).

huh
chronic forgetting? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.203.138.65 (talk) 22:37, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your comment, I now removed it from the list.  Lova Falk     talk   08:10, 17 April 2013 (UTC)


 * It's sourced, so it stays in. You can read the pdf if you want examples.  Lova Falk     talk   08:39, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

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Indirect verbal abuse or simply indirect abuse
At this time, I'm unprepared to go deeply into this research but I decided to begin the discussion.

Indirect verbal abuse includes
 * showboating - an indirect way of saying the other person is inadequate
 * defamation - talking about someone behind her back
 * the silent treatment (maybe a stretch but http://www.emotionalabuseanswers.org/emoabu/what-is-emotional-abuse/verbal-abuse/ makes me think it might belong.

It seems many of the existing types of verbal abuse (like chronic forgetting) are also forms of indirect verbal abuse. Thinking of this now, it might not be verbal abuse but indirect abuse.

M) (talk) 20:26, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

These indirect abuses are psychological abuses and there is a Wikipedia page for this. Now it comes to transferring the content. No time for me at the moment. M) (talk) 21:09, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

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Is ignoring someone means violence?
The article states that verbal abuse can also be "withholding any response". Does "minding your own business" means violence? What if a person curses me and I ignore him? How come I'm defined as a verbal abuser as well? Can this issue be clarified? What is the source for this definition? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kilaka (talk • contribs) 15:26, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Changes recommended
I would like to update some of the sources used. There are a couple that are outdated - some are from 1986 and 2002. I would also like to combine the "Elements" and "Types" section since both of those sections seem to touch on the same type of content: vocabulary and different ways in which verbal abuse presents itself. For some of the vocabulary words in the "Types" section, there are some with definitions that are not clearly stated, so when combing the "Elements" and "Types" section I would like to include definitions and further elaborate what some of the terms mean. I would also like to add more footnotes - some of the terms that are defined, the source from which they got the information is not clearly stated as it is for some of the other terms.

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