Talk:Volodymyr Zelenskyy/Archive 3

Inaccurate representation of Zelenskyy's social views (section 5.4)
The first part of section 5.4, which refers to source [251], shows an inaccurate representation of Zelenskyy's views as they are represented in source [251] - Section 5.4 should be updated by a qualified editor to be accurate to the source.

Immediately under section 5.4, the article writes:

Zelenskyy supports the free distribution of medical cannabis, free abortion in Ukraine, and the legalisation of prostitution and gambling.[251]

The citation for this is a Russian/Ukrainian language news source in which an interviewer asks questions of Zelenskyy: https://www.rbc.ua/rus/news/vladimir-zelenskiy-nam-vygodno-raspustit-1555546435.html The article misrepresents Zelenskyy's views as explained in this source.

I used Google Translate from Russian to English - all quotations used are directly pasted from Google Translate

The article quotes Zelenskyy as saying about medical cannabis: "Medical marijuana, I think it's normal, it's sold in drops. By the way, I consulted on this matter with Evgeny Olegovich Komarovsky." When asked again about legalization, he says: "For legalize droplets - yes."

Section 5.4 makes it seem as though Zelenskyy supports free distribution of medical marijuana. It would be more clear if the article said that he 'supports legalized medical marijuana' or 'legalized medical marijuana droplets.'

On abortion Zelenskyy says: "Guys, I think that a person chooses an abortion himself, please. I think it should not be banned. Why do we need to talk to you about what to ban?" He follows this up, saying "To be honest, we need to climb into human freedom less."

Section 5.4 grossly misrepresents his views on abortion. Nowhere in this article does it say that he supports free abortion in Ukraine. He specifically says that it should not be banned. Section 5.4 should say this instead of what it says. Similarly to his opinion on cannabis, 5.4 makes it seem as though he supports cost-free abortions.

On Prostitution, Zelenskyy says: "Sex for money? Honestly, guys, I think we have the opportunity, and I will now answer all the previous questions, to make Las Vegas. Society would not mind, and taxes would be paid. To give an opportunity to some city, some territory and open it all there."

Section 5.4 makes it seem as though he supports prostitution throughout Ukraine, when the source quotes him as being open to legalization in a specific potential territory. It should be updated to reflect his views as per the citation.

Between these 3 issues that I have with the 251 source in Section 5.4, this article should be updated by a qualified editor to reflect Zelenskyy's views as represented in the cited source. I don't know if Google Translate is trusted to be accurate enough for the highest Wikipedia standards. If the translations are accurate, section 5.4 clearly misrepresents his views per the source cited.

WikEdits5 (talk) 07:04, 10 June 2022 (UTC)


 * After invasion position about firearms legalisation of ukrainians mostly changed and started to be more popular. Zelensky for sure also changed his mind about this topic, he mildly agreed with the need for regulation and legalization of weapons, after the end of the war
 * sourse: https://gordonua.com/ukr/news/society/na-rukah-ukrajintsiv-miljoni-odinits-zbroji-jiji-oborot-pitannja-dialogu-ta-diskusij-zelenskij-1609686.html
 * so I think sentence "He opposes the legalisation of firearms." isn't actual today Rurk777 (talk) 22:42, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, this is good catch. This is poorly sourced and hardly represent his views on these subjects right now. My very best wishes (talk) 01:42, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Good call. Glad I could help. This thread can be archived now that it has been resolved, I'm not sure what the protocol is. WikEdits5 (talk) 06:52, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 October 2022
Zelenskys photo to a much more recent one 24.101.59.156 (talk) 19:25, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Symbol declined.svg Declined - you need to provide the photograph you want to use, otherwise we cannot fulfil the request. MadGuy7023 (talk) 20:39, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Awards
He was awarded the Charlemagne Prize from what I can see, I cannot edit the page directly though so could someone who can possibly add it to the article? CIN I&#38;II (talk) 19:27, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I was going to add it, but I can't find a good reference source. The website seems to be out of date, and the best source I could find was a speech by the president of the European Parliament. Seems like there should be a published report somewhere! -- MelanieN (talk) 22:19, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Constitutional crisis
Just noticed there is not any mention or link to the page 2020–2022 Ukrainian constitutional crisis here, which seems like it should be if its notable enough for its own page Arcahaeoindris (talk) 22:08, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, sure, he did try to fight corruption of top judges . My very best wishes (talk) 02:47, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Should the photo be updated?
Mr Zelenskyy changed his appearance since the invasion, he hasn't worn a suit since February by my count. The current picture is the official portrait but I think a 2022 photo would be more accurate to the way he currently appears in daily addresses, speeches, etcetera.

I'm not a regular wikipedian, I don't exactly know the relevant policy, but unlike the person above I think I can suggest two possible photos that are already on Commons, which both feature Zelenskyy looking straight in the camera and in the official chair (making his occupation obvious) while he still wears the beard and the dark green clothes he prefers these days. The only problem I see is their unwieldy names:

Option 1: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_world_must_officially_recognize_that_Russia_has_become_a_terrorist_state_-_address_by_the_President_of_Ukraine._(51941720577)_(cropped).jpg

Option 2: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Resistance,_resilience_and_courage_of_our_defenders_make_it_possible_to_save_our_people_and_our_land_-_address_by_the_President_of_Ukraine._(51941576210)_(cropped).jpg Harmenator (talk) 16:00, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I'd pick Option 1 personally, his expression looks much nicer for the infobox (to me anyways) TerWebz (talk) 20:48, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * ...Perhaps both could be shown. The current one is an official portrait, but the picture of him as most of the world recognizes today is him in the green (or sometimes black) t-shirt. --Andhanq (talk) 22:24, 11 October 2022 (UTC)


 * To be consistent with other office holder articles, I support keeping the current image in the Infobox. -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 22:31, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Vladimir Putin's photo is also not his official portrait. Might as well keep Zelenskyy consistent with Putin. --Harmenator (talk) 17:16, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * If the photo is changed, his official presidential portrait could be moved down to the start of the section. Endwise (talk) 18:03, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I like option 1 as well. There's no rule that heads of state have to have their article illustrated by their official portrait. It's just usually the best photo available of them and most representative of their notability (they're the president). Zelenskyy is most notable for being a wartime president during the invasion of Ukraine, so a photo of him from this time with the classic green shirt would probably be most reflective of his notability. Option 1 is a nice, HQ photo where he has a neutral expression, and in option 2 his face is a bit shadowy and he looks to be talking as the photo was taken. So option 1 is best IMO. Endwise (talk) 18:01, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd agree that Option 1 is better for it, and I think that this one is a good natural expression as said by other editors here. As well I would think that it would illustrate him better for his current state rather than the current photo, though as said by others the official photo shouldn't be entirely removed from the page, and instead should probably be kept in another part of the article lower down in it. CIN I&#38;II (talk) 19:26, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Proposing an Option 3.

While the shirt isn't the green most recognise, I'd argue the most defining feature of wartime Zelenskyy is his grown-out facial hair. Additionally, there is a neutral expression like Option 1, the waist-length crop makes for a more official portrait-like image that is better suited for the infobox, and the image despite being a crop is still of high resolution. This image has also been used a few times before on President of Ukraine before reverting back to the 2019 portrait. SuperWIKI (talk) 15:16, 18 October 2022 (UTC)


 * If it needs to be updated (I am not sure), that would be option 1, I agree with others. My very best wishes (talk) 01:22, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

If I may, I would like to offer thanks and agreement for this suggestion. Apart from growing a beard and dressing more casually, President Zelenskyy has visibly aged since the full-scale invasion began. See, for example, Katya Gorchinskaya's tweet on the subject. It felt inappropriate to me to continue using an official portrait that no longer represents his appearance, and unnecessary to wait for his office to designate a new official portrait. --Nepsis2 (talk) 05:14, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 November2022
In the discussion in Talk:Volodymyr Zelenskyy#Should the photo be updated? above, until it dried up, the first photo has clear preference. So the requested edit is: Harmenator (talk) 21:35, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Please change the portrait in the infobox to this one from Commons: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_world_must_officially_recognize_that_Russia_has_become_a_terrorist_state_-_address_by_the_President_of_Ukraine._(51941720577)_(cropped).jpg
 * Please move the existing portrait to lower on the page, to its own image box at the top of the Presidency section.
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done per . — Sirdog (talk) 09:29, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

People's Front wasn't Zelensky's coalition partner
“One of Zelenskyy's coalition partners, the People's Front, opposed the move and withdrew from the ruling coalition.”

When attempting to dissolve parliment Zelensky claimed that coalition didn't exist for long time, People's Front withdrawing from coalition was a move to attempt to initiate forming new coalition, and so delay elections for a later date. In any case People's Front wasn't in coalition with Zelensky because Zelensky didn't have a party in parliament, it was Poroshenko's coalition. Then Constitutional Court ruled that dissolution was within constitutional powers of the president, so it went ahead. Svito3 (talk) 20:29, 30 October 2022 (UTC)


 * So what is your suggested edit? WikEdits5 (talk) 02:39, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't think that sentence adds much to the article, so I would suggest removing whole sentence completely. -- Svito3 (talk) 16:27, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Career
Considering Zelenskyy’s previous activities as a television producer and owner of a production company, describing him as a former comedian and actor seems somewhat misleading. Suggest that we reflect this properly in the lede, it’s already covered in the body. I can do this if no objections. Ex nihil (talk) 08:26, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Add the link to the Jan Karski Eagle Award article
Jan Karski Eagle Award - this link needs to be added to this article Lunathedog2 (talk) 08:41, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Visit to the United States
He's expected to visit the United States on December 21st 2022, it should be added to his article. Hgh1985 (talk) 12:16, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Zeleenskyy mispelling
Under 2022 Russian invasion, where it talks about china's economic influence 2600:1004:B04D:B122:6CDA:5851:AE42:2F66 (talk) 05:27, 22 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for catching this. Fixed. CAVincent (talk) 05:49, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Independent and Party
Says he's a member of a party and independent at the same time. Is this a mistake? – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 05:56, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Anti-Russification activist"?
One of the Categories of this article is "Anti-Russification activists" But,is he really an "anti-Russification activist"? He was born and raised in Russian-speaking family. Most of TV-shows were in Russian, "Servant of the People" television series in Russian, the Kvartal 95-logo is still in Russian and so on. But as President of a country attacked by Russia he of course prefer to use the national language of Ukraine. But up until the 24th of February this year I think he used both languages more frequently. I do not live in UA, so I do not know for sure, but I believe so. Andhanq (talk) 16:03, 30 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I believe that one could say there is a spectrum of "anti-Russification." Some people completely reject Russian language and culture.  Other people are willing and able to speak the Russian language, and engage voluntarily with Russian culture, but oppose having Russian language and culture forced on Ukrainians.  --Nepsis2 (talk) 05:14, 5 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes, I see no indication that he was ever anti-Russification other than defending against a Russian invasion. The former is about culture, the latter about sovereignty and defence. Ex nihil  (talk) 08:32, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, exactly. Also, this is very strange category in general, and it looks like WP:OR. I doubt that any politician in this category was described in RS as an "anti-Russification activist", although almost all current Ukrainian politicians are obviously against russification. There is no such thing as Anti-Russification. There might be only a derussification activist. My very best wishes (talk) 03:02, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

according to article, Russification means give up their culture and language in favor of the Russian culture and the Russian language. Jjpachano (talk)

Using Russian language is not Russification, but giving up their own identity by in favor of Russian identity is Russification - Jjpachano (talk)

The Detroit Jewish News
This is the name of the source for "... former comedian and actor ..." in article lead. Sure we can find something more reliable instead. Manyareasexpert (talk) 20:55, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

Last name spelling
> Zelenskyj ==

I believe it is Zelenskyj not yy Direct translation from his Russian name. My wife is Polish and was taught Russian in school. Would like a Ukrainian comment on this native in the language.

Swedish website spell it the correct way. Zelenskyj. Mike Blake and many others spell it this way. Marschkekarlw (talk) 20:22, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Swedish and English use different transliteration of the Cyrillic alphabet, so what we use in Swedish has no bearing on English EP. I dare say Polish also uses different transliteration. In other words, the argument above contradicts WP:UE. Jeppiz (talk) 20:32, 21 December 2022 (UTC)


 * The spelling Zelenskyy with two "y" in the end is used in the English language version of the official web site president.gov.ua and many other sources from Ukraine. I even think that spelling is used in his passport. So it must be considered correct in English. But many books about his use only one "y". In Swedish we spell it with "-yj". But that is another question. Most transliterations of Cyrillic names are different in English and Swedish, Poroshenko is Porosjenko in Scandinavian languages and Poroschenko in German. --Andhanq (talk) 23:32, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 December 2022
Change the existing infobox image to his presidential portrait. 146.90.155.97 (talk) 11:00, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Change into which file? Lemonaka (talk) 11:07, 30 December 2022 (UTC)


 * There was already a talk page discussion on this where consensus was reached to use the current portrait, you can find that in archive 3 under "Should the photo be updated?" Galebazz (talk) 11:25, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template., thanks. Lemonaka (talk) 11:27, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 January 2023
Addition of new information: On December 28, 2022, it was announced that BlackRock and Volodymyr Zelensky had been in contact for several months, and that BlackRock was to play a principal role in Ukraine's reconstruction. Zelensky also announced Ukraine's participation at the WEF summit in Switzerland in January 2023, but didn't specify if he would be attending in-person or virtually. https://thehill.com/policy/international/3790699-zelensky-agrees-to-ukraine-rebuild-investment-with-blackrock-ceo/?fbclid=IwAR2KDsA2CVclp-638HbLkMXIGorkT1-6AxG3pZmA4KRm73W_CdjBmXTggP4 JayElk33 (talk) 19:24, 1 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for why this is relevant to include (looks very much like trivia). Jeppiz (talk) 21:46, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Minor Correction: Achievements, awards and recognition
Have just noticed a small error under this section. Instead of "...British newspaper Financial Times selected Zelenskyy as Person of the Year in 2022.", should be "American news magazine Time selected Zelenskyy as Person of the Year in 2022." as the British Financial Times is not responsible for the award. Perhaps updated citation too? https://time.com/person-of-the-year-2022-volodymyr-zelensky/ Caledonianl (talk) 11:52, 6 January 2023 (UTC)


 * There is no error, both Time and Financial Times named him as their person of the year. Time's selection is mentioned in the lead. —Legoless (talk) 13:40, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the clarification :) Caledonianl (talk) 23:37, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Removal of "controversy" from the page
Since February 2022 (when Russia invaded Ukraine), many details referring to controversies involving Zelensky have been removed such as corruption cases, his close relationship with Russian oligarchs or the fact that pro-Russian ministers responsible for the deaths during Maidan have been appointed.

Why? Tarek lb (talk) 14:36, 11 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Probably from coming under more scrutiny. —Legoless (talk) 00:14, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 January 2023 (2)
WillMythSmith (talk) 16:51, 31 January 2023 (UTC) This line at the end of the "Entertainment career" section: "In October 2021, the Pandora Papers revealed that Zelenskyy and his chief aide and the head of the Security Service of Ukraine Ivan Bakanov operated a network of offshore companies in the British Virgin Islands, Cyprus, and Belize." should be changed to In October 2021, the Pandora Papers revealed that Zelenskyy, his chief aide, and the head of the Security Service of Ukraine Ivan Bakanov operated a network of offshore companies in the British Virgin Islands, Cyprus, and Belize. A simple grammar edit, nothing more.
 * Done Thank you, corrected as per your request. Jeppiz (talk) 23:48, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 January 2023
"Zelenskyy's election campaign had centred on pledges to clean up the government of Ukraine.[49]"

Suggestion: Adding the words "from corruption" at the end of the sentence. NeutralerNutzername (talk) 15:01, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Not only from corruption. Just IMO, this change should not be made unless you find some source for this. Lemonaka (talk) 07:01, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 March 2023

 * 🇺🇸 United States:
 * Purple ribbon bar - general use.svg Ronald Reagan Freedom Award (2022)
 * John F. Kennedy Profile in Courage Award (2022)
 * USA Philadelphia Liberty Medal ribbon.svg Philadelphia Liberty Medal (2022)
 * Ripple of Hope Award (2022) Ooyamanobutatu (talk) 05:19, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Evolved stance on gun control.
The section about Zelensky's views on private gun ownership is missing, as well as how it changed. Link: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/op-eds/ukraine-adopts-its-own-second-amendment-too-little-too-late 2A02:3030:81F:1360:1:0:F98F:BAE0 (talk) 17:53, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request
In the Entertainment Career section, in the sentence Since 2015, Ukraine has banned Russian artists and other Russian works of culture from entering Ukraine, please replace "other works of culture" with "media and literature" as the word culture is not in the source. 2600:100C:A210:A4B:85E7:2A60:F493:60D7 (talk) 20:47, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ Actualcpscm (talk) 12:13, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Civil libertarianism/liberalism
Zelensky has been described as mildly libertarian. 2A02:3034:8:FCE3:1:2:5CA1:2A5A (talk) 20:41, 27 July 2023 (UTC)


 * He has also been described as criminally reckless with the lives of his countrymen. 142.181.229.212 (talk) 14:22, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Content issues ?
This reads like propaganda. Missing some truth on him, his finances, wealth, properties, etc. How about some honest journalism ? 2600:8802:1900:860:29ED:3221:D6A5:FE46 (talk) 06:35, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Please make clear what you would like to be changed, or what you want to be added. Compusolus (talk) 01:44, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia doesn't do "honest journalism"; we are not journalists. We summarise what journalists say (without synthesising). If you can find some sources that need adding, request the change. Couruu (talk) 13:56, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * What is the use of summarizing MSM propaganda? 142.181.229.212 (talk) 14:21, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia works on verifiability, not truth. We aren't here to right great wrongs - we report the general consensus. Couruu (talk) 14:58, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Net worth
The article states "His assets were worth about ₴37 million (about US$1.5 million) in 2018" with the source https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2019/05/21/7215629/

Forbes.com article from 2022 states "He’s currently worth roughly $20 million, based on reporting by Forbes Ukraine. Additional reporting by Forbes US puts that number at less than $30 million." https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattdurot/2022/04/20/president-zelensky-is-not-a-billionaire-so-how-much-is-he-worth/?sh=89ca2975bb04

A power user ought to update the article to state a more recent estimated net worth of $20 million as per the 2022 Forbes article, which could be contrasted with his 2018 net worth of $1.5 Million from the 2019 www.pravda.com.ua article.61.69.231.169 (talk) 20:40, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

surname misspelled Honchurak should be Honcharuk, ie consistent with usage elsewhere on page. Okinasevych (talk) 02:03, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 December 2023
Please add Zelenskyy’s full name in Ukrainian next to his birthday in the beginning paragraph. AzXpOmU (talk) 01:57, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Already in the note next to his English name. ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 02:14, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

New Years Eve, 2024?
How does that make sense? 2A00:23C4:BC17:8A01:11C0:D214:5A25:13B5 (talk) 00:15, 12 January 2024 (UTC)


 * I've changed the wording to "December 31, 2023", to avoid confusion. A. Randomdude0000 (talk) 01:07, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 January 2024
Change 20 May 2019 to May 20, 2019Ifelldownthestairshelp (talk) 03:00, 30 January 2024 (UTC)Presidency Ifelldownthestairshelp (talk) 03:00, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: This article uses dmy dates. ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 03:07, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Assassination plot during Javier Milei's inauguration
During Milei's inauguration a video shared on social media where a possible terrorist attack toward him was announced forced him to not assist the ceremony at Colon Teather. The author of the video was detained by Policía Federal Argentina and interrogated, later released. Should this be added?

https://www.infobae.com/sociedad/policiales/2023/12/11/investigan-una-amenaza-contra-el-presidente-de-ucrania-volodimir-zelenski/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2800:810:465:57A:7D0C:8A9E:7990:389 (talk) 05:57, 16 December 2023 (UTC)


 * what does this have to do with zelenskyy NotQualified (talk) 20:39, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

“I need ammunition, not a ride”
It is unclear if he said this sentence.

--Jo1971 (talk) 22:38, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Russo-Ukrainian War
Zelenskyy supported the late 2013 and early 2014 Euromaidan movement. During the war in Donbas, he actively supported the Ukrainian army. Zelenskyy helped fund a volunteer battalion fighting on Donbas.

this image's subheading should be changed to mention Macron in the background. Zelenskyy [left] Macron [middle] Putin [right] NotQualified (talk) 20:37, 7 March 2024 (UTC)


 * ✅  Antrotherkus 19:31, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Lede
This article’s lede is not in line with the global standard for world leaders. He certainly is in control of a large arsenal but this is not essential to the basic platform of his leadership. I think the lede would be made better if it were in alignment with his global peers. 2001:1308:2DBF:7A00:A4F5:7246:798F:E1D8 (talk) 23:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Could you make more specific suggestions of what you would like to see changed and perhaps suggest new wording? What would you write as the second sentence, and where in the article would you first mention the arsenal? ☺ Coppertwig (talk) 20:42, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Actually, I agree with you. I don't like the second sentence. Perhaps the second sentence should be something unique about him, and being sixth or eighth isn't unique; also, the way it's worded makes it sound to me like it's the most or second- or third-most funded, but if you follow the link it seems to be eighth, so it looks misleading (or outdated) to me. How about this second sentence: "Regularly seen in an olive-green shirt, he has positioned himself as an anti-establishment and anti-corruption figure, and promised during his presidential campaign to end Ukraine's protracted conflict with Russia." Except for the shirt, I've taken the wording from two places later in the lead. ☺ Coppertwig (talk) 22:02, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I skimmed the whole article and didn't find any source for "sixth largest" armed forces. (Maybe I missed it.) Also I see that the link for "one of the best-funded" actually shows 8th according to one source and 13th according to another. I don't see how to easily tweak this sentence to be less misleading and better-verified, and it's still not the most unique, so my suggested alternative above looks better to me, or perhaps people have other suggestions. ☺ Coppertwig (talk) 17:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * (formatting ref for green shirt) ☺ Coppertwig (talk) 21:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I had missed it -- sorry. There's a footnote with a source for sixth largest. Nevertheless, for the other reasons I mentioned, I want to replace the second sentence as I suggested. ☺ Coppertwig (talk) 15:07, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Another green shirt ref ☺ Coppertwig (talk) 18:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * And some more green shirt refs      ☺ Coppertwig (talk) 21:01, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * formatting more recent green shirt ref ☺ Coppertwig (talk) 21:14, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree that the line about the armed forces doesn't need to be in the lede, but I'm unsure if the green shirt should be in the first paragraph. Although it is certainly iconic, it seems like too prominent of a place for a fashion choice. Maybe lower down in the lede? Helpful Cat (talk) 22:50, 9 June 2024 (UTC)