Talk:Wii/Archive 27

"Wii" vs. "Nintendo Wii"?

 * The first and most frequently asked question -- and the official trademark is just "Wii". See the Talk archives (pages 6 through 10) and the separately archived survey if you need the details.

"Wii" vs. "The Wii"?

 * Obviously, the official trademark is not The Wii™ but Wii™. People generally call the console "the Wii" (like a common noun), while Nintendo prefers to phrase it as just "Wii" (like a name) to utilize its similarity to we (e.g. "Wii will change gaming forever"). A discussion on the subject can be found in Archive 18.

"Wee" (as in urine)?
Multiple discussions on the subject have failed to achieve a consensus for or against including a reference to urine. However, please refrain from adding any such reference to the article. If you wish to bring this topic up on the talk page, please first read past discussions on the subject found in Archive 22 and Archive 23.

Wii Remote strap problems?
Information on Wii Remote strap failures and Nintendo's replacement offer are summarized in the article. Further details are documented in the Wii Remote article. Discussion on the subject can be found in Archive 21.

Wii's hardware WiiConnect 24 issue
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Original_Research http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources

Either source it with GameSpot or IGN or it's staying out.

The Nintendo WiFi comment about 32 players is not needed at all. This is boasting about it's online capabilities and this is not the section for that. Do we have editors going back gloating about the amount of players online on the Ps2, Xbox, and GC? Of course not. This is not going to be the case here as there is no incentive for having it. Lastly, router hardware problems are the least of all things to put under a technical problem about the Wii. --ChibiMrBubbles 11:43, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


 * (I've copied the above comment from my talk page, and copied my reply from his.)


 * I find it an odd assertion that GameSpot and IGN are the only reliable sources for information, and I'm not sure how you conclude from information being in the article that any editors are "gloating". I find the information relevant, and IGN seemed to think it important as well; I'm actually a bit disappointed the other articles you mentioned don't contain similar information.  I'm still unclear as to your concerns about the router information, especially since Nintendo thinks it relevant enough to address at their own site.  --Maxamegalon2000 13:09, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Wow, talk about anal. Gamespot or Ign were examples. Ill be more vague in the future thanks to you. Routers would fall into flaw desing or outdated routers. WiFi up to 32 is flat out unneeded. So I implore you to find a good editorial for Wiiconnect24. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChibiMrBubbles (talk • contribs) 14:18, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm curious how you can be so certain that the reason the Wii is incompatible with some routers is that the routers don't follow the spec. It could just as easily be the Wii's fault. For the other two issues, I agree with you for the most part, but you really need to change your arrogant and condescending attitude. Tmdean 14:45, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

What's wrong in summary: The WiiGraphical glitch by WiiConnect24 is not sourced by a reliable source, in this case it is a Wii fansite. It is original research, and does not belong on Wikipedia. The routers (all 3 of them that don't work) have had past history of not working with other consoles, such as the Xbox, and should not be brought up here. That's right, look up their history. This isn't a hardware problem with the Wii. Nintendo was bold to come out and say which lousy designed routers don't work with the Wii, Microsoft nor Sony aren't even going to bother. The Nintendo WiFi statement about up to 32 players is flagrant fanboysim that implies this is a major contribution to the Wii. It is not, for no one knows what the players level cap is on multiplayer Wii games. The statement would make more sense on the DS's wiki article due to the built in pictochat having up to 16 players. This statement does not need to stay here, at all. There is no coherent reasoning since this is not part of the Wii's internal hardware. If you must mention something, do the Wii message board or Wii Friend codes cap.

And stay on topic, my attitude is not relevant to this (which is a slander giving the circumstances of the edits).--ChibiMrBubbles 14:53, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The section about the supposed WiiConnect24 problem should not be in the article. For one, there is no source with proof about WC24 causing any problems, just speculation. It is equally likely that it is due to a bad shipment of graphics chips. The chips get much hotter when actually used, than if the little heat produced by having your console on (even if the fan is on). If hotter temperatures aren't damaging the GPU, then why would the cooler temps? Second, many sites say that it is because the Wi-Fi chip and GPU are right next to each other. Well if you simply look at a pictures of the inside you will see that they are not. Zomic_13 17:43, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Firmware versions
I was wondering if we can include a section about firmware versions. I'm not going to push the matter but I wanna hear others opinions.--ChibiMrBubbles 20:15, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The Wii Menu article already has one. The main Wii article is a bit long as it is. PS: the most relevant parts of the firmware information are already contained in the Wii article, in its related sections. Just64helpin 21:09, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Already done. It was originally on the Wii Menu page, but there was discussion on that page about moving it. I just moved it. Zomic_13 21:13, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't recall any discussion on whether the section should be moved to the Wii article. Doing so pushes "Wii" past 60k in size. Just64helpin 21:15, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * There was discussion and agreement on the Wii Menu talk page. It really should've happened a while ago, but this is just more reason to move it. Zomic_13 21:17, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * A discussion and agreement has to happen on this page as well. Please don't revert until others can join the new discussion. Just64helpin 21:19, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Well since we are having a new consensus, I'm going to put my two cents and say it belongs here on the Wii's systems page because some of the firmware functionality affects other things aside from the Wii's OS, such as adding AOSS on the internal WiFi menu settings. I also want to add that the Playstation 3 has it's own separate article for it's own firmware updates, not implying anything but giving suggestions for alternative resolutions.--ChibiMrBubbles 21:29, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * That is an interesting idea (about having a separate page). I would support that (and would be willing to put the page together and format it). Right now the info is pretty hard to read. I think there is justification for its own page. Zomic_13 21:40, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Discussions of moving the firmware to its own separate page should take place on the Wii Menu talk page.

Cost to build the Wii?
Any references that we can add which estimate how much the Nintendo Wii costs to build? I'm curious to know if they are selling it at a loss (as was done with the Cube). - Theaveng 14:54, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Wii is not sold at a loss. I don't believe GameCube (or any other Nintendo system) has sold at a loss. The reason Nintendo does not do this is because they are just a gaming company, and do not have other sectors to fall back on (like Sony and Microsoft do). It will be hard to find a reliable source that states exactly how much it costs to build a Wii, but there are plenty of sources out there if we want to add that it is not sold at a loss. Zomic_13 05:00, 8 September 2007 (UTC
 * Nintendo's profit-making is already in the Wii article. Just64helpin 11:03, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the nintendo gamecube started out as a loss but, when it made a major price cut it made up for it. The wii costs very little to make but, it takes a little while to do. Nintendo has definitely found their niche with this console.-- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oasiyis (talk • contribs) 03:55 8 November 2007

Unfortunately, since there is virtually no information on precisely *what* the Broadway CPU and Hollywood GPU are, there's a huge big gap left in trying to estimate the price. A lot of the other components can be judged in price; i.e, in quantities of 1,000, the accelerometers in the Wii Remote cost about $5US per. (though Nintendo, which has bought millions so far, certainly pays less for them) Likewise, one can estimate the cost of a 512miB GDDR3 module from Samsung, as it's identical to the RAM modules found in the Xbox 360, PS3, and a lot of modern video cards. You can tally up the prices of a lot of the components... But the GPU and CPU remain unknowns. I honestly can't say anything on the CPU, though if I were to take a guess, I'd think that the "Vegas" main die for the GPU would cost comparable to the RV530 that's found in ATi's Radeon X1600 series video cards; both are 90nm-process parts, and have roughly close to comparable surface area, and are designed by ATi. But then again, one COULD do all of this, but it would be original research if done for Wikipedia. Nottheking (talk) 04:07, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Video
I've recorded a video of two kids playing the Wii at the Wii Experience in Six Flags - Image:Wii_play.ogg. If the editors of this article want to add it, please do. ALTON .ıl  06:20, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Sales numbers
4.23 million + 3.47 million + 2+ million + 138,192 + 6 thousand ~= 10.7+ million. It should be 9.8+ million if you approximate the Aussie numbers to 100,000 and disregard New Zealand. So the question is how do we provide a source for this updated figure? Because clearly just by looking at the numbers and quickly adding them can lead to errors as happened here (whoever did this added the 100,000 as 1 million). And we can't just use "punch these #s into a calculator" as the source. But I don't think there is an actual source for this... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.51.125.60 (talk) 18:18, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * This can be used to indicate 9.27 million units sold worldwide as of June 2007. --Silver Edge 23:05, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Do you think that this number would be better as it comes directly from nintendo? Also, if we leave it as is displaying the summed figure, how do we indicate that it is the sum of the previous numbers? -Mariokarter —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.98.102.88 (talk) 03:34, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Europe numbers are far behind, AUS/NZ sales are too small to even count in the total. The Americas/Japan/Other configuration makes use of the official Q2/2007 Nintendo report (3.81 Americas/2.95 Japan/2.51 Other) updated with the lastest Media Create/NPD info, thus is the most reliable source we have. So please don't temper with it.--Exukvera 08:52, 10 September 2007 (UTC)


 * No region's sales numbers are too small to include (assuming a reliable source is available). They should not be excluded for that reason, nor should a region's numbers be excluded if they are slightly out of date. A newer figure should be searched for, but the older figure should not be excluded. Zomic_13 18:52, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

the article where it claims the wii is ahead of 360 shows strange numbers, that seem to be lower than either console should have sold, and seems to be innaccurate, i am not sure what it is based on. it calls the xbox 360 an xbox unit, and even if it were correct, shouldn't the page say "as of july" i really think the sold should say shipped for the 13 whatever million. these two numbers cant coexist... the wii sold 500k in sept, so does that mean it sold 3.5 mill in august? obviously there is a mistake here... somewhere. it isn't clear which of the two consoles is ahead, so neither should say the place, and the sold should be changed to shipped. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.165.59.39 (talk) 11:49, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

upon actually reading the article i realize that the statement about the wii being in the lead definately needs a new source or to be removed. logically, it makes no sense. they use numbers from the end of july for the world (minus japan) and numbers from the end of august for japan. so the wii could have never been ahead at any point in time! example: pretend neither console had any sales. then in july the wii sells 500k worldwide. the xbox 360 sells 600k worldwide. in august the wii sells 500k worldwide (400k of which are in japan) xbox 360 sells 600k worldwide (12k in japan). If you add up the numbers the way they did, you get more wii sales than xbox 360 sales, but the xbox 360 outsold the wii EVERY MONTH! you would need to drop japan's august sales from each console for it to make sense. I could show that anything outsold anything if i only include certain regions. the article might as well only show japan's sales for every month. am i the only one that realizes that this article does not prove that the wii was ahead of the xbox 360 at any point in time? please make the appropriate corrections, or find the wii's japan numbers and subtract them from the 9 mill and see if it is still ahead on 8.9 mill, but even this is not very good, as the 9 mill and 8.9 mill are rounded. it may be 8.94 mill and 8.96 mill, and japan's august sales would only need to be 20k for the statement to be untrue (well 20K plus xbox 360's japan sales). then again it could be 8.95 mill minus 1 and 8.95 mill, and japan's auguest wii sales would only need to be one more than xbox 360 sales for it to be untrue. we might as well count only japan for 20 months and say the ps3 is ahead of the xbox 360... come on people, common sense shows that you cant only count japan for any period of time, especially considering the wii sells better there than anywhere, and the xbox 360 sells worse there than anywhere. end rant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.165.59.39 (talk) 12:11, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Xbox 360 outselling Wii every month, what are you smoking? The Wii sold 404K systems just in the UNITED STATES in August (whereas Xbox 360 sold 277K in the US that month) and about 286K in Japan for 690K just for Japan/US. In July, the Wii sold 425K systems just in the United States (compared to 170K for the Xbox 360), and sold about 349K in Japan for a total of 776K just in the US/Japan for July. The Wii has been outselling the Xbox 360 in the US/Canada every month this year except for September (where the Xbox 360 only outsold Wii by about 26K in the US), has outsold Xbox 360 every week since launch in Japan (in fact, the Wii sold more in its first week than Xbox 360 had in 1 year) and we don't know the numbers but we do know that Wii has oustold Xbox 360 in Europe since launch. It's safe to say that the Wii has outsold in worldwide (as of early 2007 it had in fact overtaken Xbox 360 worldwide officially according to Nikkei, a Japanese firm that used official sales numbers from NPD/Media Create/GfK). TJ Spyke 18:48, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I said that as an example, not fact. I am saying that you need proof and not just "it's safe to say" it is also safe to say that halo 3 has outsold gears of war, but there is no real proof. sure 14.8 million halo: ce + halo 2 units had been sold earlier this year, and now the total of the three is 20 million, but that doesn't mean that more than 4 million copies of halo 3 have been sold. If Nikkei says this than post the link. The link currently there has no proof that wii outsold 360. the math done to get 5.2 million halo 3's sold is MUCH more accurate than the math done to get more wii's than 360's have been sold. so why was the halo math dismissed but the wii math accepted? again, the example wasn't based on actual numbers, it was just showing how it is POSSIBLE (and very much so) that the wii never passed xbox 360 sales. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.165.59.39 (talk) 19:03, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Please sign your posts with ~ . Just64helpin 19:08, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, we do have September NPD numbers. You are right in that Halo 3 has likely outsold Gears of War by now (considering that it took only a week or so for Halo 3 to sell 75% of what GOW has). Source for Nikkei: . I never said anything about Halo 3's numbers, and we have known for almost 2 months that Wii has been ahead using confirmed numbers. TJ Spyke 19:11, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

fine, if you remove that statement about the wii being in the lead, the link makes no sense. you cannot for any period of time only count one region. since i am signing this you have agreed to remove that statement. 142.165.59.39 19:12, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? The reason why it only went up to July for North America is because the report was a coupld of days before the NPD released North American numbers. The Wii lead would be even bigger though since the Wii outsold Xbox 360 in both Canada and the United States. TJ Spyke 19:18, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Link? this is wikipedia, not some site where you can make things up. post a link proving the wii outsold the xbox 360 in canada and the united states in august, and then the statement is proven true (not exactly, the rest of the world should be taken into account too, what you need to do is take worldwide august sales and subtract japan sales). but if you post a canada/us link for august wii vs xbox 360 numbers i will be satisfied 142.165.59.39 19:24, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

if these "confirmed numbers" exist then why is the link to a website using faulty numbers! 142.165.59.39 19:13, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * What do you mean "faulty" numbers? The numbers are from reliable sources (NPD/Enterbrain {Famitsu}/GfK {European tracking service}). The Wii has been in the lead for over 2 months (this report just confirmed it) and the only people i've seen reject it are Xbox fanboys who hate that the Wii had sold more in 9 months than Xbox 360 had in 21 months. TJ Spyke 19:18, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

how do you not understand? the numbers are correct, but they do not prove that the wii has passed the xbox 360 in sales. see my example above. please not that my example is not meant to be true, but only show how the numbers don't really mean anything 142.165.59.39

the link posted here also uses JAPAN ONLY FOR AUGUST! so this is not accurate. I can say the ps3 is ahead of the xbox 360 is i only count japan for long enough of a time. at one point in time the wii has to be ahead of the xbox 360 for it to be proof. take worldwide sales as of the end of july, now add in japan sales for august. this puts wii ahead... so what? i can do funny math this way to prove anything. 142.165.59.39 19:15, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Lawsuits
Does anyone know whatever became of those crazy lawsuits against the Wii? Have they been dropped, or are they still ongoing? Seems odd because the article mentions them like they're all still current events. Nintenboy01 19:52, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Lawsuits can sometime last for years. They might still be ongoing. TJ Spyke 00:57, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Green Wellings lawsuit. Was claimed to be filed in 2006, but since then Green Welling have removed all reference to Nintendo and Wii from their web site and the only thing they left was a page where you can request a wrist strap replacement through Nintendo. Any reference to Nintendo or Wii has also been removed from their "Résumé of Cases" which details cases they have won and cases they are fighting for. If Nintendo did settle or even acknowledge Green Wellings in any way, you can bet that it would have been on their site and Green Wellings would have publicized it to the general media. That conclusion may be original research, but what isn't OR is the fact that Green Wellings have removed all traces of Nintendo and only left an application form for Wii wrist strap replacements, which goes straight through to Nintendo JayKeaton 11:02, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Again, more OR, but it looks like the Big N may have reached some confidential settlement or something with Green Wellings. Why I bet they even prompted the development of Wii Strap 4.0, hehe. I do wonder though whatever happened to the other cases... 216.166.78.9 22:55, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Should this be mentioned in the reception
Satoru Iwata mentions that the Wii is not a yet a success. Should this be mentioned at the reception, or in another article like his article page? Link for proof: Magiciandude 18:41, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Around the launch of Wii, Iwata/Nintendo stated that Wii would not be considered a success unless it sold more than GameCube. That is going to happen very soon (in 10 months Wii has sold over half the amount GameCube sold in 71 months). It just sounds like a reiteration of what has already been said, however it is not in the article. It should be mentioned as it is a notable statement. 20:04, 12 September 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zomic13 (talk • contribs)
 * It's set to overtake GameCube's sales in Japan and the UK by the end of the year. The region where it may take the longest is the United States since it's where the GameCube did the best (same thing with the N64, I think the US alone accounted for half of the N64's lifetime sales). Worldwide, it looks like the Wii will overtake the GameCube in early 2008 (which is just crazy when you think about it). TJ Spyke 02:55, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Wii is best seller
Financial Times states Wii is this generations best selling console in the known universe, despite coming a year after the 360 [] JayKeaton 21:25, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

The NPD and Enterbrain Also report this. Its an extremely large feat, considering how all nintendo's best franchises hasn't even come out yet. (mario galaxy, brawl, etc) Should we change it? Blackbird3216 22:12, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Change what? PS: the WP:LEAD should never contain information exclusive to itself. Just64helpin 23:47, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

It isn't exclusive to itself. It's also in the sales section. And why does Dawillsta keep editing it? Blackbird3216 23:50, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The wording is highly informal and tonally disconnected from the rest of the lead. It also contains an WP:OVERLINK. Just64helpin 23:54, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think it should be included in the lead. &mdash; Malcolm (talk) 23:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * It certainly needs to be rewritten before it can even be considered for the lead. Just64helpin 00:05, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the warning, but my 3rd "revision" was actually a new edit, so i won't get banned. If you want it rewritten, then you do it. Im used to writing stuff with alot of info —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackbird3216 (talk • contribs) 00:35, 14 September 2007 (UTC)


 * That burden lies on the supplier, not the remover. Just64helpin 00:43, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * So your saying i have to rewrite it. But if i re submit it, then people will say it doesn't belong, even though it's true, and should belong.Blackbird3216 00:49, 14 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The inclusion is still open to arguments, so I'd suggest adding a proposed version of the material in this topic. Just64helpin 00:56, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * what do you mean proposed?Blackbird3216 00:59, 14 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Er, your proposal on how the rewritten information could be added to the lead. How would it look like? Just64helpin 01:06, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Fine how about something like this?:
 * Although the console was launched last, it is currently the best seller in the generation(quote here). On Sept.12,2007, Financial Times reports data from the NPD and (the other one) that proves the wii has outsold the 360, which was released a year earlier...

The iPod article mentions it is a best seller as of a certain date. Wii being a best seller as of a certain date, which doesn't seem debatable, then I don't see a big problem with mentioning it in the lead. In fact, it seems like something that is perfectly suited for the lead JayKeaton 17:28, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The iPod article is also somewhat unstable due to the constant influx of information relating to models and sales, so I wouldn't use that in an argument. Just64helpin 17:35, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Its not really an argument, as sales and popularity relate directly to the information demanded of a lead section. JayKeaton 17:41, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't recall the lead section "demanding" sales information, unless the sales are what make the subject notable. My argument is that placing a specific number will cause the lead to be endlessly edited, making it unstable. If the Wii sales are strong enough, it may warrant a general statement, but I don't think that's the case here. Just64helpin 17:53, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Numbers aren't specifically needed, at least for the lead. It looks like the other two console manufacturers muddy the waters by stating number of units shipped, not number of units sold, but independent sources seem to be wise to that and [many many sources] are saying that Wii is this generations best seller and for 2007 (the year we are currently in) it has consistently been the best seller by far also. JayKeaton 20:09, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Exactly, which is all that is needed for the WP:LEAD to keep it in proportion with the rest of the article. 14:35, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Citation needed for "bold" statement - I am thinking about citing it with info from wikipedia. How do I do that? Is it even possible to cite a wiki article with another wiki article?Blackbird3216 02:06, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * See WP:CITE. And, no, you can't use a Wikipedia article to cite another one (if the source exists on another Wikipedia article, use the source that that article uses). TJ Spyke 02:09, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Just64helping, it was better before. You trimmed down too many details. BTW, what happened to the wii picture? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackbird3216 (talk • contribs)
 * A general statement on the Wii sales lead is all that is needed. Any more detail would cause the lead to be a disproportionate summarization of the article. Further details should be added to the "System sales" section instead. Please read WP:LEAD for more information. Just64helpin 21:06, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * To clarify: the segment I edited contained wiilinks to History of video game consoles (seventh generation) and Wii launch, both of which are already linked in the lead section (see WP:OVERLINK). The information cited from nintendowiifanboy.com was already mentioned in the Financial Times article. The Financial Times segment also had a footnote that was already used later in the article, and did not need to be re-written (see WP:FOOTNOTE). Just64helpin 21:45, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Nintendo and the Wii have been the top seller in NA for the entirety of 2007, since November 2006 in fact. I don't think the fact that the Wii has been outselling the competition is really debatable, and the fact that Wii is the best seller overall is more debatable, but not by much. There are no counterclaims to the Wii being the best selling console, other than "it is a controversial claim", which is not really good enough without something to back it up JayKeaton 13:23, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The FT article is full of wholes, as is stated above in Sales Numbers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.165.59.39 (talk) 12:27, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

IGN.com just posted new NPD sales data
Someone should update the sales totals. Here is the link: http://wii.ign.com/articles/820/820098p1.html 72.43.140.148 14:12, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

103 year old person playing the Wii
I thought you would like to see this:. Report from The Sun newspaper of the UK has stated that pensioners up to 103 years of age have been playing the Wii! Of course, I've added that in the demographics section.--Alasdair 06:20, 14 September 2007 (UTC)


 * That's interesting. You would not see a 103 year old person playing PS3 or X360. Zomic_13 06:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * True, but I don't see why it belongs in the article... So what? LN3000 06:48, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it's worth mentioning. We talk about Nintendo's goal to expand its appeal, and The Sun thought the company's success in this situation to be worth discussing. --Maxamegalon2000 07:06, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yup, Nintendo has maintained that they want to widen their demographics, and this is certainly one extreme example of the adoption.--Alasdair 07:33, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it is definitely worth mentioning. Just this morning Engadget posted an article about the success Wii has had with senior citizens. Read Here Zomic_13 13:27, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Why don't just create a Wii cultural impact with all the information that is not really needed in the article (like using Wii for fitness, ancient people playing games, etc, etc, etc)? -- ReyBrujo 18:01, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The section on demographics was specifcally created to satisfy WP:LEAD, since editors previously warred in the lead section over whether or not the Wii "competes" with other seventh generation consoles. Just64helpin 18:14, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, a demographics section is well, a section on the type of market it targets, the customer base etc. Since it's here, let's make the best of it.--Alasdair 04:38, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow, good find. Maybe we should put in the article. Hey, it also says here that Bat Boy got married to a Vietnamese mud wrestler. --IronMaidenRocks (talk) 12:04, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Wii Commercials
Hey, i wanted to add this to the external links section. You can watch all Wii Commercials here. I was about to add it and then I saw the message saying I should bring it up on the talk page first, so i am :) Anyway, it's a good resource bc it's hard to find them on youtube or anywhere else. Anyway im adding it, but feel free to take it off if you dont think its a good resource --JasonHanson 16:34, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Perhaps they're hard to find because hosting them is a copyright violation. We don't link to copyright violations. --Maxamegalon2000 17:40, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

--Oh, sorry! --JasonHanson 17:49, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Which means that they can't be listed here either. TJ Spyke 02:04, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Advertisements most certainly CAN be listed on the talk page JH JayKeaton 07:42, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I meant here as in Wikipedia. Also, I don't think advertising sites that are committing copyright violations (by hosting copyrighted content without permission) is a good idea on talk pages either. TJ Spyke 03:24, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Name
That is absurd. The official trademark for Microsoft windows is just "Windows"... perhaps we should also name that article to just "Windows" rather than the already named "Microsoft Windows"? There is no double standards, if Ms windows article is named "Microsoft Windows" although the trademark is only "Windows", then so should this article be named "Nintendo Wii". Im seriously starting to think that some Nintendo representatives are lurring around Wikipedia.--78.86.117.164 01:12, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I move this here since the IP didn't bother to read the note about not replying in the FAQ section. To answer, the reason the article on the Microsoft software isn't at Windows is because its not the primary subject of the name Windows (the only other possible name would be "Windows (software)", which is not a good article name). This is not the case here. The trademark is Wii, that is the common name, and there is nothing else that would use the name. So the article will not be moved. TJ Spyke 01:17, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Infact, let it be called just "wii", people will have harder time finding it. Specially people who still spell it as "we" or "wee".--78.86.117.164 01:24, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * That...that made no sense.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 01:31, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Obviously a minority of people. On the Windows argument, the operating system isn't the only thing in existance that uses that name. Wii, on the other hand, is the only thing that has that name. On top of that, the articles for Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 currently do not include the name of the company that makes those consoles, because the name of the company is not a part of each specific console's official title, just as Nintendo is not an official part of the Wii's name. Disaster KirbyTalk 01:32, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi, shouldn't this page be Nintendo Wii? Mick 96 08:22, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Please click here. Just64helpin 10:10, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Which version?
There's currently appears to be a reversion conflict. Which version is the correct one? --Russoc4 17:59, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Never mind, the revert was just an error by the user. Just64helpin 18:11, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that. That's what I get when I think I'm only making a small edit (I guess it was an older revision). Sometimes the extra features you think are helping you will get you into trouble. I figured out what I was doing wrong (Twice!). Sorry for the confusion. LN3000 18:12, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Unprotection
Does anyone else want to experiment with unprotecting this article? The Placebo Effect 16:21, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Every time the page gets unprotected, it gets vandalized pretty quickly (IIRC, it got vandalized less than 10 minutes after being unprotected the last time). The article pretty much has unofficially permanent semi-protection because of that. It's up to an admin, but I would suggest keeping it the way it is. The only people who can't edit are IP's and accounts less than 4 days old. TJ Spyke 23:37, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I guess you're right. Lets try sometime after Christmas, when both Galaxy and Brawl have come out. The Placebo Effect 23:58, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd remind people that "vandalism" isn't necessarily restricted to edits with negative biases. So after the release of those games, I wouldn't be surprised to see "positive" vandalism; the Nintendo fanboys can vandalize just as much as the Xbox 360 and PS3 fanboys. Nottheking (talk) 22:56, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Wii Pricing
What is the current price on a Wii? I didn't see it in the article, and I thought it might be a good thing to add. BaldurtheGreat 18:47, 1 October 2007 (UTC)


 * MSRP =$250 The Placebo Effect 19:14, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Technically it's $249.99 (in the US). I don't think it had dropped in price anywhere yet, so the launch prices (see Wii launch) should still be the current prices. TJ Spyke 05:23, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe we are meant to avoid listing the price unless the price itself is notable. Otherwise it brings up the issue of trying to update the price everytime it drops aswell as becomes an issue of which countries prices to list. You wouldn't really expect to see the price of something in an encyclopedia. Rekija 03:23, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the pricing's been mentioned in the Wii launch.--Alasdair 11:22, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Pricing is a useful tool for comparing worldwide costs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.46.74.15 (talk) 13:08, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Useful but not a good idea for Wikipedia. I'm sure people who can type in "wikipedia.com" can type "google.com" just as easily. Epthorn (talk) 13:07, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Wii Optical Disc
Not alot of info is posted about this in the article. For example, it's storage capacity is not mentioned. Is it known? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.110.193.166 (talk) 11:12, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That should be covered at the Nintendo optical discs article. Just64helpin 11:19, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, that would serve, though I might suggest, as a MINOR edit, that for the links on the side-bar, that the link for "Wii optical discs" would be better served to direct to that article you mentioned, rather than the "Game Cube Optical Discs" link. Since this is the article for the Wii, I think that it would make sense for the more relevant term link to it. Nottheking (talk) 23:07, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

New system sales figures soon
A semi-annual Earnings release is scheduled to be released by Nintendo in two weeks (October 25), according to http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/schedule/index.html. Socby19 02:13, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * European sales numbers are so rare (we get monthly US and Canada sales from NPD, and Japanese sales numbers from Media Create), so this is good. Nintendo usually reports sales numbers too (whereas Sony and Microsoft report shipped numbers, claiming them as sales numbers by saying they are sold to retailers). TJ Spyke 02:19, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Units Shipped
It should also be said that the system has sold 12 million copies. 10.7 copies bought and 12 million shipped, so altogether the system has sold 22.7 units so far. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.237.50.62 (talk) 21:28, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm reasonably certain the 10.7 million systems bought is included in the 12 million shipped. --Maxamegalon2000 21:48, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * yes, sold is part of shipped. You don't add the two numbers together...I wish... LN3000 22:32, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Even if they were combined, it would still be 10.7 million sold. Sony likes to inflate their sold numbers by counting systems sold to retailers (i.e. shipped and just sitting in stores), Sony used to also include systems sitting in warehouses and factories in their "sold" number. TJ Spyke 23:43, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

So they sold only 12 units so far? Including the untis that were shipped? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.237.50.62 (talk) 02:29, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * What? They've sold ~10.7 million (and that is sold, not shipped). TJ Spyke 02:34, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Images
Why are all the images on the right hand side? It sort of looks silly having every single image to the extreme right, makes it seem less like an article. JayKeaton 13:35, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Having them on the left causes formatting problems with the section titles. Just64helpin 16:04, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Wii remote/user problems
The first generation of Nintendo Wii controllers are not safe, and have been responsible for broken TVs. Users are playing their favorite game and suddenly the remote strap breaks and flies into the TV, breaking the screen. The Wii wrist strap is too flimsy to handle all the intense motion of the hand. http://www.wiichat.com/nintendo-wii-articles/6700-nintendo-wii-launch.html

Another common problem that people have is getting carried away. It is posted all over the internet about people hitting things while playing Wii. Users need to remember to keep distance between them and their surroundings. http://www.wiihaveaproblem.com/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 35.8.239.59 (talk) 20:54, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I also don't think we need to include this. To the best of my knoweldge there have not been any recent reports of this problem (that article was from last November) Also even if it we were to add it the information should go on the Wii Remote page not here. --70.48.174.138 21:44, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * The controllers are perfectly safe. The "first generation" of Wii controllers are no different than current ones. Just because some people were stupid or irresponsible with the controllers does not mean it is in anyway Nintendo's fault. Nor does it warrant being mentioned int he article. -Zomic13 22:16, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Exactly. It's the idiots who are throwing their controllers that are at fault, not the controller. The Wii wasn't the first system to have people break stuff because they threw their controllers. Do not blame the Wii Remote because some people are stupid enough to throw their controller as fast as they can and let go of it. TJ Spyke 22:31, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * And those idiots are the reason for nintendo to spend big on thicker straps & jackets just to procted themselves Richardson j 02:21, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Wii --> 13.17 million sold
Nintendo releasesed its latest financial report today. It has revealed that 13.17 million units have been sold as of September 30. I would have updated this myself, except that the sales are currently divided by specific regions, whereas the report only lists sales as Japan, The Americas, and Other. -Zomic13 06:47, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I wasn't too comfortable with the consolewars figures, so I simply removed them for now. Although it mentions that the figures are based on data trusted sources such as NPD and official quarterly reports, it wasn't clear to me how the data was being used to arrive at the totals. Dancter 16:08, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * 13.17 million shipped (or sold to retailers). But seeing as how Wii sells out almost immediately, I'd say the two figures are about the same. 129.120.205.24 21:36, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Nintendo doesn't report units shipped - only sold. -Zomic13 21:37, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm... is this wrong then?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.120.205.24 (talk) 23:00, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * They do report shipped numbers, which is what that 13 million number is. I think it's more accurate to say that Nintendo doesn't report shipped numbers as sold (Sony will take the number of systems they have shipped, and report that as sold. Nintendo will cleary say "we have shipped this many systems"). TJ Spyke 23:09, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Sony doesn't do that anymore. Dancter 00:05, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes they do, it's just not as bad as before. Sony used to count system siiting in factories in their sold numbers. They don't do that anymore, but they do count systems shipped to retailers as "sold". When Nintendo reports sales numbers, they mean systems that have actually been purchased by consumers. TJ Spyke 00:17, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You are right. I stand corrected about Sony. Dancter 01:04, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The figure of 13.17 million is for units sold. The source clearly states "sales units". Nowhere does it say shipped. -Zomic13 02:34, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I can't find it yet, but Nintendo's financial reports are sold to retailers and not sold to consumers. TJ Spyke 23:29, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I was starting to suspect as much. Which begs the question: how is Nintendo different from Microsoft and Sony, as has been frequently claimed? Sony reports sell-in now, and I believe Microsoft does this, as well. Dancter 23:47, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * IGN says 13 million shipped. MahangaTalk 01:39, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * IGN is getting their information from the same document we are. Just because they used the word shipped, it doesn't make it so. We have to go by the original source which does not mention the world shipped anyway - only "sales". Interpreting beyond what is stated is original research. -Zomic13 02:04, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It is not original research if you are adhering closely to what is stated in a cited source, which in this case would be IGN. It's important to note that earnings reports are not written for the general reader, but for investors, who may understand things that aren't made explicit. While the original source does not mention the word (I'm assuming "world" is a typo) "shipped", it also does not specify what is meant by "sales". As explained in more detail at WP:PSTS, original sources can be very easily misused. It is actually preferable to cite a secondary source that can be trusted to interpret the original source correctly. The sticking point in most of these disputes is in deciding which sources are reliable. Dancter 05:12, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * IGN can't necessarily be trusted to interpret a primary source correctly. In another article they cited the sales of a game incorrectly while directly referencing the source from which they were taking the sales numbers.-Zomic13 19:59, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * My point is that it's not original research. Dancter 20:48, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That IGN article says quote:
 * "Wii Sports, its best performer, has sold upward of 11.1 million copies globally. Of course, that figure is unfair since the game shipped with the console in America and Europe. (The Japanese, however, bought it seperately.)"
 * The article doesn't say 13 million Wii consoles "shipped", it just says that Wii Sports, which is bundled with the Wii, sold 11.1 million copies. --Silver Edge 02:13, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure Mahanga probably meant to link to this article. Dancter 05:12, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep, fixed the link. MahangaTalk 17:38, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Does anyone have any data more recent than over 2 months ago? Some sources are saying the Wii has passed the 15 million mark. 142.177.27.18 02:22, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I gave up trying to update it when some people insisted on using Nintendo's financial report (which lists SHIPPING numbers) instead of confirmed sales numbers (NPD reports, Media Create reports, etc.).  TJ   Spyke   02:29, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Merge discussion
I am proposing a merge discussion on several Wii articles - the discussion to be, however, what to merge and where.

So, here's what I propose...


 * WiiConnect24 be merged
 * Everybody Votes Channel be merged
 * Internet Channel be merged
 * Wii Points be merged
 * Wii Balance Board be merged

I just don't know where to. WiiConnect24 would probably be best here, while the second and third would obviously go to Wii Channel, but Wii Points would only fit in a Wii Shop Channel article, which became a redirect, and Wii Balance Board would go to Wii Fit, but not everyone agrees. - A Link to the Past (talk) 17:47, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I do not think a merge is necessary, nor would it be wise. LN3000 19:45, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, let's see - WiiConnect24 could easily be summed up in this article. Wii Points could make the Wii Shop Channel worthy of being an article. And Wii Balance Board is literally irrelevant outside of Wii Fit, with the exception of its potential implementation outside of Wii Fit. I see little reason why these merges couldn't take place. - A Link to the Past (talk) 20:15, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The main problem would be with current size of the Wii article, which is nearing 60k. Just64helpin 20:22, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that most of those articles need to be merged. I'm indifferent about merging WiiConnect24 with Wii. I'd strongly oppose Everybody Votes and the Internet Channel being merged into something else as they're pretty much discrete pieces of software, albeit downloadable and labelled as 'channels'. As for Wii Points, Microsoft and Sony's alternatives also have their own articles. There's already been a discussion about whether Wii Balance Board and Wii Fit should be merged. To be honest, I really don't see why these articles should be merged just because they 'could' be squished into something else. They're all reasonably lengthy and are really subjects in their own right. EvilRedEye 20:54, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Looking at Everybody Votes Channel and Internet Channel, I see nothing that says these are very well-known. One is a revision of the Opera browser, the other is a free download software. Just being its own software doesn't mean it needs an article. Honestly, just because the Wii article is getting big doesn't mean that we should split all of the mechanics apart. - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:27, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose x5 - The articles don't need to be merged. I think EvilRedEye explained it best. -Zomic13 22:39, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Article size should certainly be considered in these types of discussions. I sincerely hope that we veer away from "just because" arguments, as they tend to lead the discussion into an endless cycle. Just64helpin 22:44, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The only reason the Wii Balance Board isn't merged is just because. People don't talk about the Wii Balance Board without talking about WiiFit, so its notability is exclusive to WiiFit. If it actually becomes notable outside of this one game, then it can be standalone, but it's not. - A Link to the Past (talk) 00:00, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * While I do understand the reasoning behind these merge proposals, given what I've witnessed from aggressive merges in the past, I would prefer to get a sense of what the intended merged articles are going to look like before I make a recommendation. Dancter 05:33, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Well I'd recommend starting a merge discussion on Wii Balance Board since the case for merging it seems to have some merit and it's probably best to discuss a merge on the talk page of the actual article affected. As for the two channels, they're clearly independently notable, even if they aren't 'well known'. I honestly don't see what merging them would achieve, since a summary about them already exists on Wii Menu. You'd effectively end up just deleting the articles. EvilRedEye 11:01, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose - per EvilRedEye's explanation. LN3000 01:10, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Wii Lead Incorrect
The Wii may or may not be in the lead, but the link does not prove that it ever was. The link uses sales up to July, and then Japan-only August sales. You can't for any period of time only count one region, especially not the Wii's best region and the Xbox 360's worst region. A new link needs to be provided or the statement removed. I tried explaining this in sales numbers, but those clowns have little to no idea how this works. Don't tell me the Wii also outsold the Xbox 360 in the US/Canada(in August), post a link. Maybe they will eventually post a link, but I got tired of waiting. It bothers me that this can get posted on Wikipedia without proper references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.165.59.39 (talk) 19:37, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * First off, insulting me and others will not help your case. Second, the Wii outsold the Xbox 360 in August and you can check any site that posts NPD numbers: 34,400-26,700 in Canada and 403,600-277,000 in the US . TJ Spyke 19:48, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, I always updated the sales numbers with links. I gave up when somebody decided to use Nintendo financial reports (which uses sold-to-retailers, i.e. shipped numbers) insetead. TJ Spyke 19:49, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

those links are required after the statement in the article, at least to prove it (which it still really hasn't since europe isn't counted, but counting the usa is enough to satisfy me). thanks for the links... can the 1.5 mill of bioshock make it acceptable for the list of best selling video games under xbox 360? 142.165.59.39 20:24, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

clown statement retracted, rofl. even though the links you posted used estimates, and this is wikipedia, not estimatipedia. so it isn't really fair to use them to put wii in the lead. but you guys are all defensive of nintendo for some reason... the company isn't very good. the NES and SNES were good, the 64 was pretty good, but the cube is among the worst consoles ever made, and the wii is less powerful than my wristwatch. 142.165.59.39 20:37, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, you are a troll (or at least acting like one). That explains it (I am not going to dignify your comments about the systems by replying to them). I have shown you PROOF that the Wii is kicking Sony and Microsoft's ass and you are still in denial. TJ Spyke 20:44, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Shipped vs Sold
I see that my edit changing the sold to shipped has been reverted. This is one of those situations in which you wish you could change your edit summary. When I said that the source said shipped, I was going off of memory which was apparently wrong, however, I have an explanation. Over at Talk: History of video game consoles (seventh generation) it was explained to me very clearly that on financial reports, sold means shipped. Since it was so clear I will copy it to here:

"In a company statement sold usually means to distributors or large retail chains, it does not indicate sell through to consumer. Due to things like price drops many times sold does not actually indicate that the manufacturer has even been paid for the product (this is why when a price drop occurs retailers don't generally lose the difference in price, they simply take the dropped price off of what they owe the manufacturer based on their remaining inventory). In the case of using financial statements, sold means shipped not sold to consumers. I'm going to edit my explanation a little further to clarify. Here is an example of when sales don't mean sales but shipped. In a company statement shortly after the launch of the Ngage Nokia announced that they had sold 400,000 units. Their definition of sold meant they were available to purchase in retail channels the actual number sold to consumers was shockingly low (under 20,000 worldwide at that point). MysteriousMystery 3:40, 27 October 2007 (UTC)"

I got these two things mixed up in my mind and said that the source said shipped. This comment is the reason that I changed the word sold to shipped in the sales table and the infobox. I also added the units sold parameter since both the PS3 and Xbox 360 articles use both. These three articles should probably be kept as similar as possible since a lot of people compare the three consoles through the articles. Also, the History of video game consoles (seventh generation) article uses the 13.17 number as a units shipped number(because of the comment by MysteriousMystery). That article should be kept in accordance with this article and since I felt that MysteriousMystery was right, I thought I should change this article rather than that one. I will wait until tomorrow for comments before changing the article again (unless the discussion goes in favor of change).-- Kyle ( talk ) 03:52, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * My short two cents, the articles should use actual sold numbers only and not the shipped/sold-to-retailer numbers. TJ Spyke 03:59, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd say that it should have both since the shipped numbers are the most verifiable from the company and the sold numbers are equally important (though less likely to be accurate since there are so many different numbers out there).-- Kyle ( talk ) 04:04, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * We would have to make it clear which is which. Off topic, but I find it funny that Microsoft has almost 4 million Xbox 360 systems sitting on store shelves unsold (about 9 million sold and about 13 million shipped). TJ Spyke 04:13, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I completely agree. It is a little sad, though not quite that bad since the 9 million is from july and 13.4 is from september, but still, pretty funny-- Kyle ( talk ) 04:30, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Modchips
I tried to add a reference to the Wii modchips, but this was instantly removed by Lamename3000 without him mentioning any reason. Is this some official stance? And if so, why is that? There is a page about modchips, and there are a specific page listing Wii modchips - interlinking to these seems correct, not to mention that modchipping these devices definitely is happening, always have been happing, and thus should be mentioned in an all-encompassing encyclopedia. Stolsvik 10:55, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It may warrant a subsection under "Hardware", if sourced, but not its own main section. Just64helpin 11:21, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * So what do you mean by sourcing in this context?! I've only put in intrawiki links, pointing to other Wikipedia articles (the modchip and List of Wii modchips). I will add the exact same sentences into a subsection of hardware, as you describe, and await your reference to what would be considered as "sourcing" in this regard. These actions seems like Nintendo policing, trying desperately to put up arbitrary hurdles to hinder the modchip references to be public. Stolsvik 11:57, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Please see Citing sources. Wikipedia cannot be used as a source for itself. Just64helpin 12:07, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

"Anamorphic Widescreen" Improper Usage
Anamorphic refers to the way a digital video is transferred from film and has nothing to do with how a video game console displays an image. Nothing in reference #50 says anything about "anamorphic widescreen," only that the Wii is capable of 480p resolution through component cables. The reference to "anamorphic" is doubly improper considering that the Wii is not capable of playing DVD video. This should be removed immediately. KyuzoGator 04:48, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The Wii, when set to progressive mode, outputs 640x480p video (a 4:3 aspect ratio). If you set the Wii to widescreen mode, it will still output in that resolution, but will condense the image horizontally so that it appears correct when you set your widescreen TV to stretch the image to the full screen. This technique is called anamorphic widescreen, and is mentioned in the reference. Tmdean 07:30, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I saw that someone changed the reference that you're referring to. You're right; the original reference didn't say anything about anamorphic widescreen. Tmdean 07:33, 11 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually (and yes I'm nitpicking) the Wii is displaying anamorphic image. If you connect a Wii to a standard 4:3 tv while the widescreen mode is active, you will see a bunch of very thin people standing on the screen.  The image is anamorphic (that is, squeezed horizontally).    My PS2 has a similar function for certain games.  -  Theaveng (talk) 14:57, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * If the Wii is set to Widescreen and ED/HD TV in the Television Settings, games that support it will output 720x480p video. That's not anamorphic widescreen anymore. ZueriHB (talk) 06:30, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Check Mii Out
Hello,

I noticed that the article does not mention the Check Mii Out channel, and I am unable to edit it. Just letting you guys know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.78.148.20 (talk) 22:41, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually it does, twice. Just64helpin 22:45, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

"There are six primary channels: the Disc Channel, Mii Channel, Photo Channel, Wii Shop Channel, Forecast Channel and News Channel. The latter two were initially unavailable at launch, but activated through firmware updates."

Your right, but this part needs updating. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.78.148.20 (talk) 22:55, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciation Issues
Hello, I am a non-admin, but this article has Full Protection on it, and I think I know better.

The IPA did not have a Japanese pronunciation, which I think is /ɰii/ (quoted here without pitch instructions because I do not know the Japanese pitch accent), not /ˈwiː/ as in English.

... Consensus or not, you always forget that the Wii is a Japanese console ...

Llamagnu (talk) 15:33, 17 November 2007 (UTC) Posted by Llamagnu on Sat, Nov 17, 2007 at 16:33 PM
 * The article is only semi-protected (meaning IP's and accounts less than 4 days old can't edit it). When Iwata talked at E3 this year, he said "Wii" and he pronounced it the same way, just with an accent. Accents can vary in the same country though.

I think you are getting way too anal if you want to argue about the pronunciation of "Wii". Just watch this Wii commercial http://wii.nintendo.com/wiicommercials_index.jsp It's not rocket surgery. Asher196 (talk) 02:42, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

This is rather sad, that you are arguing about it now. It's been universally agreed upon for ages, and Japanese Wii commercials pronounce Wii the same way as the English ones. It does not involve, nay, require that much insight. Luigi6138 (talk) 02:50, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Maybe not always the case, but I'm usually easily amused by whatever sentence follows "I think I know better." This is a good example. Even a cursory reading of the page and archives makes me think this has been dealt with plenty of times before without the need for someone to just introduce original research with no sources. Epthorn (talk) 13:11, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Nintendo have said they chose the name because it can be pronounced by anyone in the world. Wii is universal. There is only one way to pronounce it, and if you hear it differently then the person is either wrong or is talking with an accent. .:Alex:. 18:32, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Awards
Has Wii received any awards? as far as i know, it is nominated in the Media Arts Plaza awards. check http://plaza.bunka.go.jp/open/works.html for confirmation (yes, that's a Japanese page). Any other info for Wii's awards will be valuable info too. Boshiaki (talk) 18:02, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Awards are noted in the "Reception" section. Just64helpin (talk) 18:05, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Misspelling of discreetly?
"AOSS support was discretely added in firmware update 3.0." Does this mean AOSS support was separately added (discretely) or quietly added (discreetly)? The reference cited would suggest the second spelling. --121.45.240.86 (talk) 00:14, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Virtual Console Channels!
Is it possible to organise Virtual Console games into their own respective console channels? I.e. N64 games into an N64 channel; SNES games into a SNES channel; etc. I've been told "it's not" on previous discussion boards, but the first image on the "Wii Menu" article shows both an N64 and NES channel. What's the story? --Dark_Wolf101 (talk) 21:51, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Those are probably the system logos that fade in and out along with the game's title. It is not possible to group VC titles together...yet.  Given Nintendo's recent opinion that rather than support external HDD storage, people should delete and re-download games, I doubt we'll be seeing this kind of space-saving feature anytime soon.  I'd love to be pleasantly wrong though. --Billdorr (talk) 21:59, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Regioncodes?

 * Are there any region codes on the games? Can European consoles play US-American/Japanese games, beside the NTSC/PAL topic?--Nemissimo (talk) 13:21, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, the games are region-locked. Ixistant (talk) 17:54, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks.--Nemissimo (talk) 19:29, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Nintendo Wii missing point
The whole article of the wii doesn't state anything about how you move and it moves somebody PLEASE edit that! Littleperson 4:58pm eastern daylight army time:16:58 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Littleperson (talk • contribs) 21:59, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Er, what? What moves?  TJ   Spyke   22:36, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

If you are referring to how you control game play with the Wii Remote, see the section titled "Wii Remote". Asher196 (talk) 22:54, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * See also the Wii Remote article, which the "Wii Remote" section summarizes. Just64helpin (talk) 23:01, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Unofficial Links
I would like to have my site http://www.newstendo.com added to the unofficial Wii links. We are officially recognized by Nintendo and several third parties as press and as such are provided product to review and access to their press servers and events. We often post exclusive news stories, reviews and editorials making this site is a valuable Wii resource.

Hokahey (talk) 21:12, 27 November 2007 (UTC)hokaheyHokahey (talk) 21:12, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Many sites are granted access to Nintendo's press site (in fact anyone can gain access via the guest account). Nothing against you or your site, but there are so many Nintendo new sites out there. -Zomic13 (talk) 23:06, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Regardless, I have made the request and I believe the site provides valuable Wii resources that so many Nintendo sites don't offer. My point about the press access was to make clear my position, which goes well beyond simple access to Nintendo's press site. I don't believe you've come to a fair conclusion based on your response. We also have access to many third parties and receive documentation and product from them to review and discuss. I'd be curious to hear why the site can't be added to the official links beyond general statements about access to Nintendo's press site and the number of sites people have created dedicated to Nintendo.

Hokahey (talk) 23:28, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I guess we're just thinking there are dozens of other sites in similar positions, and it would be inappropriate to link to all of them. You haven't really expressed what makes yours significantly more relevant than any other. --Maxamegalon2000 04:16, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I think I came to a perfectly fair conclusion, especially based on the information you originally provided. You only mentioned that you have Nintendo press room access, get free stuff, and posting new stories. To me that sounds like most Nintendo news sites. As Maxamegalon2000 stated, we need to know something that makes your website different from the many other Nintendo news websites out there. Having Nintendo Press Access and and receiving free stuff from game developers is pretty sweet, but its nothing that separates your website from the rest. This is nothing personal against you or your website. -Zomic13 (talk) 05:06, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your feedback and polite responses. The site provides a number of exclusive features, but perhaps not enough to seperate it from the rest of the pack yet. I'll revisit this topic in the coming months as we continue to ramp up and become richer in content. Thanks again for taking the time to explain your thoughts on this.

Hokahey (talk) 18:32, 28 November 2007 (UTC)hokahey

Maximum screen size that can be used ??
Hi, What is the maximum screen size that the Wii can handle before the controllers stop working properly? I have a projector at home and I was wondering if the Wii would work for a really big screen.

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cribe (talk • contribs) 22:15, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * It doesn't really matter, it just depends how far back you stand and where you put the sensor bar. If you have a REALLY BIG projection surface, put it around 2 feet down or up from the center. That simulates a 40-50 in TV. If you are standing way back, put it around 10-15 feet away from where you are standing (but equally off center. If the cord is too short, buy one of those 3rd party wireless ones. Luigi6138 (talk) 22:29, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The Wii Remote pointer works a little better on smaller screens than it does on large ones. I can use it just fine on my 61-inch TV, but some of my friends have had trouble initially and had to adjust.  A projector would probably be even bigger, but you should be fine.  I'd be more worried about burning out the projector bulb, playing video games for hours on end.  Useight (talk) 22:51, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The size of the TV is irrelevant, as movement tracking is done independently of the TV. The limiting factor is the sensor bar, as you can't be more than ~10 feet away. People have played Wii on movie theater screens. -Zomic13 (talk) 22:58, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The Wii remote can be used up to approximately 16 feet from the screen. I have a friend who projects his screen on the wall of his garage; something like 8x10 feet, and the Wii remote works fine.

Asher196 (talk) 23:03, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * As mentioned in the previous comments, the size of the screen is irrelevant. Rather, cursor positioning is based upon the camera in the Wii remote determining where it's pointing as relevant to the sensor bar. All that's necessary is to back far enough away, and place the bar properly, so that you can point the remote to all corners and still have it pick up the sensor bar. As the sensor bar is actually just a bar of infrared-emitting lights, It's actually possible to do without, and use an alternative source; I'd seen examples of even candles being used... Though obviously, that's not a very good idea in practice, particularly with a console so prone to inciting accidents... Nottheking (talk) 23:18, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

DVD Playback?
The article currently states, "A Nintendo spokesperson has announced that the company plans to release a version of the console with DVD-Video playback capabilities in 2007." Has that happened? I did not notice any major announcements in game magazines or on TV and I was curious if that statement has proven accurate or if it has not in fact come into fruition. In either sense, we should update it accordingly. Best, -- Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 22:33, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * No, it hasn't. Nintendo Power hasn't announced anything either. I would personally say 2008 at earliest. Luigi6138 (talk) 22:36, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * They did update that comment to state that it will not be happening soon, as they will just be focusing on getting regular systems out for sale. -Zomic13 (talk) 22:56, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * So, any idea or source on if it will still happen or has the idea been squashed for North America? By the way, thank you for the fast replies!  Sincerely, --  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 23:12, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, the DVD-playback Wii was only announced for Japan. So, if it is ever announced for North America, then it won't be out for a while. -Zomic13 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 05:14, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I think we should go ahead and mend the article just to say that dvd playback is planned in the future and i think i read that sonic solutions would be providing it, we could include that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ngates87 (talk • contribs) 14:43, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


 * No. We only do that once it is confirmed, and once that we all see that Sonic is providing it. Luigi6138 (talk) 22:33, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It's already in the article and sourced: Wii (last paragraph).  TJ   Spyke   22:36, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I see a source from 2006 in the Hardware section. Is that the one you mean?  If so, do we have any from 2007?  Thanks!  --  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 06:21, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Classic Controller
I propose we add the Wii Classic Controller to the "controller input" section of the infobox. Some people disagree and have reverted me, but I don't understand the reason. It IS a controller. Nintendo's Wii site seems to agree with me. http://wii.nintendo.com/controller.jsp Asher196 04:28, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * We really should restrict that form to things that connect independently and directly to the console. Expansions and accessories should not be confused with the main controllers. BTW, the name is just "Classic Controller", which redirects to the section in the Wii Remote article, anyway. Just64helpin 12:12, 2 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The infobox says "controller input" and that is exactly what the Classic Controller provides. I don't see a distinction.  Asher196 16:41, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * We can't list every add-on since the list would be big: Nunchuk, Classic Controller, Wii Zapper, Wii Balance Board, Wii Wheel. And those are just first party ones. There are also the USB mics from Disney Interactive and Electronic Arts, the dance pad from Konami, and the guitar from Activision to name some.  TJ   Spyke   23:07, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

On a tangent, shouldn't that bit be updated to include the Wii Balance Board? On the subject of the Classic Controller, I can imagine there being an endless list of expansions for the Wii Remote which would probably eventually just clutter the infobox. Perhaps change it slightly so that it reads "Wii Remote (expandable), Nintendo GameCube Controller"? EvilRedEye 17:27, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Another tangent: I don't recall "Nintendo GameCube Controller" being an official name, so I lowercased "controller". Just64helpin 18:06, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I happen to agree that we should keep the controller input as the way it is. If we put the Classic controller there, then, since it is a peripheral to the Wii Remote, we would need to add the nunchuck, and many other things as previously stated. FlamingZelda (talk) 09:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Jeff Gerstmann
There is a reference to Jeff Gerstmann as a gamespot editor, it should maybe now read "former" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.116.46.162 (talk) 04:30, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I updated it. Just64helpin 12:27, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Multi-Disc Games
I've never actually been able to test it myself, but I was wondering, do multi-disc GCN games like Resident Evil 4 still work fine on the Wii when you need to swap discs? Nintenboy01 02:04, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I would guess the answer to that question is yes. The Wii does not complain (or notice) if the disk of a running game is ejected. Emoticon 20:52, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


 * One game that has multiple Discs on the GCN is Tales of Symphonia, which actually I played on my Wii the other day. It works just fine. If you hit the eject button while a GCN game is in, it just asks you to close the console lid, which is pretty funny. Is there a section regarding multiple disc games on the Wii? FlamingZelda (talk) 09:32, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Reprogramming the Wii Remote?
The article states "Hackers have also reprogrammed the Wii Remote to control devices unrelated to the console through Wii homebrew."

The reference for the above is a newspaper article and I'm certain it's a case of lazy journalism as the remote is not reprogrammed. As I understand it, a driver is used on a computer which communicates with the remote (which is a bluetooth device that follows the HID standard). Then, either the driver itself or some software that interfaces with the driver, interprets the data received.

Does anyone have a better source that shows that the remote itself is reprogrammed? Hydrostatic (talk) 13:06, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. Reprogramming sounds very cliché, and it's unlikely. Luigi6138 (talk) 21:13, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I changed "reprogrammed" to "used" and left the source as it is. That newspaper article clearly isn't the most reliable source, but it's good enough right now. I'll try to find something better later. Hydrostatic (talk) 03:02, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Vii
I learned this through this article, but apparently, in China, a clone of the Wii called the Vii is circulating. There are even knock off games for it. its even being advertised in magazines.. Is this notable to be included in the article (probably not including the sources I found)?

Some other sources:

Vii Pricing and Details Announced THROUGH FIRE    JUSTICE IS SERVED!  03:56, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I heard about this a few weeks ago. $170 and you can only play the games that come with it, maybe they figured Chinese people would be stupid enough to buy this since the Wii isn't out there yet. I am not sure about in this article, but maybe it should be mentioned somewhere on Wikipedia. Anybody have suggestions?  TJ   Spyke   03:58, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm fairly certain that isn't a Nintendo console, so I don't think it is relevant here. Just64helpin (talk) 12:17, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't mean to sound bitchy but this is Wikipedia, not an official Nintendo website. I don't see why the fact it isn't made by Nintendo is particularly relevant, details for third-party Wii peripherals appear on Wikipedia. Furthermore all the available sources clearly link the rip-off console to the original Wii. I think this is very interesting and warrants inclusion. I can imagine this getting fairly extensive coverage as it seems quite an impressive example of reverse engineering. Perhaps wait and see whether enough sources appear for the Vii to warrant its own article? EvilRedEye (talk) 16:19, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * By "here" I was referring to the Wii article. The Vii apparently doesn't interact with the Wii in any way, so I don't see how that's comparable to third-party peripherals (which aren't noted in the Wii article, anyway). I'd also like to point out that Vii already has its own article. I guess I should have clarified this in my earlier reply. Just64helpin (talk) 16:40, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks for that clarification. I disagree that there's no connection to the Wii. The Vii's been designed to resemble and function in a similar way to the Wii, and the advertising is also a rip-off of Nintendo's own. The name's a rip-off of Wii. All the sources link it to the Wii. I don't really see how much further a connection is required. EDIT: If the Vii has it's own article I don't see how more than a brief mention would benefit the Wii article but I do think a brief mention would be beneficial. EvilRedEye (talk) 17:23, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I suppose that depends on the context. If there are sources that discuss the reverse engineering aspects of the Vii, we might be able to include a mention in the "Hacking" subsection. I've yet to come across anything like that, though. Just64helpin (talk) 17:33, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with EvilRedEye that there is definitely some sort of connection. The Vii should be mentioned in the article somewhere although we shouldn't have to create a whole new section for it or anything. Reverse engineering is definitely involved, the thing we need to find out is how. .:Alex:. 19:30, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I agree with Just64helpin. I don't think there needs to be a specific mention of this "Vii" in this article.Asher196 (talk) 00:01, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I agree with Asher196 and Just64helpin for the same reasons. Luigi6138 (talk) 00:43, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose I'll go with Asher196, Just64helpin and Luigi6138. It isn't needed. Burner0718 (talk) 00:39, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose You could give it its own article if you can find enough info. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RC-0722 (talk • contribs)
 * It does have its own article: Vii.  TJ   Spyke   00:49, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it is a very interesting fact, as the demand for the Wii is high, and people have seen a way to profit from it, the Vii doesn't deserve it's own article, but it surly deserves a footnote with in the history of the Wii!?  Doktor  Wilhelm   00:27, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * They should get a law suit for copying the wii art forming.--DarkFierceDeityLink 03:17, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe that there should be a mention somewhere near the section that talks about the sales of the Wii and how successful it has been regarding the Vii. Something to the effect of "Having been as successful as the Wii has been, there have been multiple knock-off clones of it. One of these is the Vii" or something. I know that sounds horrible, but still. I think that since the Vii would most likely not exist without the Wii, that it deserves mention here as a knock off. FlamingZelda (talk) 09:35, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Music
Does anyone know the origin of the great music on the commercials? Chris (talk) 01:17, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I think that's mentioned in the "Demographic" subsection. Just64helpin (talk) 01:37, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

no consensus to move the page, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 13:03, 12 December 2007 (UTC) Wii → Nintendo Wii' — Consistency with Nintendo 64 and Nintendo Gamecube. Also nintendo calls it the "Nintendo Wii" in absolutely all of their branding and we should use the official title. — ⁪ffroth 21:58, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Survey

 * Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with  or  , then sign your comment with  . Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

*Oppose. I'll just copy-paste a summary of what was discussed last time:


 * The official name is "Wii". GameCube is officially "Nintendo GameCube", DS is officially "Nintendo DS", and so on. You don't see the PlayStation 3 article called "Sony PlayStation 3". Thus far, Nintendo has not attached their company name to the console's moniker and not a single Nintendo employee has referred to it as the "Nintendo Wii". "Wii" is far less ambiguous when alone than "64" or "DS", and most importantly Nintendo marketing hasn't used that term (see official webpage). Nintendo have been very specific in interviews and at E3 2006 that there is no such title as "Nintendo Wii", there's just "Wii". It is a change for Nintendo but not that big of a change for conusmers. Most people call the Nintendo GameCube just "GameCube", for example. From the Nintendo Style Guide distributed with their E3 Press Kit, "It is simply Wii, not Nintendo Wii." That's pretty cut and dried. Just64helpin (talk) 22:39, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Oppose I don't need to vote since this will fail, but Just64 is right. Nintendo does not call it "Nintendo Wii" ANYWHERE. They have always just called it "Wii", and they named it just Wii on purpose since it's pronounced the same way everyone in the world.  TJ   Spyke   22:49, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose I share TJ Spike's sentiment. I'm not sure what Froth is referring to when he says that Nintendo has called it "Nintendo Wii" in "absolutely all of its branding." --Maxamegalon2000 23:11, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose - The official name of the console is just "Wii" and Nintendo doesn't use "Nintendo Wii" in any of its branding. Past consoles were officially named "Nintendo GameCube" and "Nintendo 64", etc. I'm sure some third parties have stated it as "Nintendo Wii", but officially it is just "Wii". -Zomic13 (talk) 23:29, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose Nintendo never uses the phrase "Nintendo Wii" in any of their advertisments, press releases, announcements, or any other publications or statements. As this fact can be readily verified at numerous websites and other resources, I feel this article should reflect Nintendo's name and not the names that have been applied by other people or companies. Thingg (talk) 21:18, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose To quote the article, which quotes Nintendo, "No confusion. No need to abbreviate. Just Wii." i.e. not "Nintendo Wii".J.delanoy (talk) 21:55, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose Nintendo have officially named the machine simply "Wii". They advertise using simply the name "Wii". The registered trademark is simply "Wii". Therefore "Nintendo Wii" is actually incorrect, and would not be encyclopedic. The only reason other Nintendo consoles have "Nintendo" at the beginning of the name is because they have registered the trademark as that. .:Alex:. 22:06, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Any additional comments:

This has already been discussed (see Talk:Wii/Move to Nintendo Wii). Nintendo does not use "Nintendo Wii" in any of their branding, and has deliberately avoided "Nintendo Wii" in their advertising. Many other reasons to retain just "Wii" can be found at the link I provided. BTW, the correct name would be "Nintendo GameCube" with a capital "C". Just64helpin (talk) 22:05, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Nintendo optical discs
The link in the sidebar under media for Wii Optical Disc and Nintendo GameCube Game Disc should both link to Nintendo optical discs 151.203.14.176 (talk) 02:46, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

"Pop culture" section
We now have a pop culture section again. What's the consensus for this? Just64helpin (talk) 23:36, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * If it had more examples, I'd feel better about it, but if it all pertains to a single episode of South Park, well…—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 23:50, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

I hated it and removed it. See WP:IPC Asher196 (talk) 05:02, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The user that created the section restored it. Twice. Just64helpin (talk) 12:47, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ makes a point but Nintendo has praised the South Park episodes and made references in their marketing of the Wii. Maybe it should be a subsection in the article - Mr.NorCal55 (talk) 08:04, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The info added was apparently taken directly from the Go God Go article, and lacks direct citations. Nintendo's response to the episode is more relevant in "Go God Go" than here, and we don't really need a plot summary in "Wii" if the Go God Go article exists. Just64helpin (talk) 12:24, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Wii info
A whole bunch of new Wii information here and here.
 * Software tie-ratio - 3.4 attach rate overall
 * Average Wii player is 29 years old. 71.123.221.158 (talk) 06:31, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

USB?
For what the USBs on Wii are good? Just for USB KeyBoard and Ethernet Adapters? Can I use a USB HUB on that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.40.223.88 (talk) 02:10, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * USB hubs work fine unless you have three or more devices that require powered USB ports, in which case one of them only recieves half power. For example, I can have a Charging stand, keyboard and phone plugged into it because the keyboard uses up minimal power, but if I plug something else in to charge like my DS with a USB lead, the first Wii Remote stops charging on the charger.


 * This is all original research, however, so I don't think it belongs in the arcticle unless we can find another source or a photo or something. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.251.104 (talk) 16:49, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Minor Problem
When listing new games representing Nintendo's flagship franchises, there is The Legend of Zelda, Metroid, Mario, Animal Crossing, Pokémon, Super Smash Bros., Mario Kart and Fire Emblem. Isn't Mario Kart a part of the Mario franchise? If it is it's own franchise (which I don't think it is) then wouldn't you have to list the Mario Party, Mario Strikers, Paper Mario, and other Mario Sport games for the Wii too? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thegargoylevine (talk • contribs) 03:40, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Altered text to "New games representing Nintendo's flagship franchises, including The Legend of Zelda, Metroid, Mario (and spin-offs), Animal Crossing, Pokémon, Super Smash Bros., and Fire Emblem, have been released, or are in development for the Wii." Sound good? clicketyclick yaketyyak 18:26, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

also, "The Wii console is Nintendo's smallest home unit to date" is not true. It is actually 2nd after the NES mk II —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.231.208.76 (talk) 04:18, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Wii sales
(To explain my edit...) One cannot add figures signifying 'sales to consumers' to figures signifying 'sales to retailers'. In Nintendo's financial statements, they list the latter. NDP Group, Enterbrain, and GfK report the former. I've renamed "sales" to "shipped" in the article so as to avoid further confusion.

Either we can switch the listings over to "sold" (as in sold to consumers) or we can keep it as shipped, but if we keep it as shipped, then the information cannot be updated until Nintendo releases its next financial statement. clicketyclick yaketyyak 18:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It used to be sold, but then some people insisted on using Nintendo's annual financial listings (which uses shipped numbers, which are sold to retailers and not consumers).  TJ   Spyke   18:58, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I see. I also see there was an inconclusive discussion previously on whether to use both shipped and sold numbers. It doesn't bother me one bit either way as long as it is clear that the two numbers (# shipped, # sold) cannot be added together to make some sort of hybrid sales total. The only thing I insist on is that, even though in Nintendo's financial report they say "sold" (implied: to retailers), we should make it clear in the article by calling it "shipped". Does that seem reasonable? As for the number of Wiis 'actually' sold, that can easily be obtained and listed if there is some sort of consensus that it should be included.  clicketyclick yaketyyak 22:09, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * As long as the chosen word isn't capitalized, I have no problem with it. Just64helpin (talk) 22:14, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * hahah, good sport. :oP clicketyclick yaketyyak 01:12, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

User modification / Hacking
The connection between the wii remote and the computer has been listed under the "user modifications" section of the article. In fact, neither the Wii nor the remote need to be modified to connect the wii remote to the computer. 81.132.55.8 (talk) 15:49, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I changed the section title back to "Hacking", which is more suitable for the content. Just64helpin (talk) 17:01, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I changed the "Hacking" subsection to "User Modification", and was wondering which everyone thought was better? Response would be much obliged. Burner0718 (talk) 21:50, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * User modification sounds much more encyclopedic. However you should probably change the first instance of "hacking" to "modified by users".  .: Alex  :.  22:01, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * So linking to hacking is appropiate, but using the word "hacking" is not? BTW, "modification" should not be capitalized, per WP:MSH. Just64helpin (talk) 22:27, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * This is a tough one. I did a Google search of "Wii hacking" and got 1.2 million hits.  A search of "Wii modification" got 400,000+ hits.  "Hacking" seems to be the preferred term, but "modification" sounds more encyclopedic.  I don't know if this helps at all.Asher196 (talk) 22:49, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Well keep the hacking within the section. I still think User modification is much more encyclopedic and encompassing term.  .: Alex  :.  23:03, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

I think "hacking" should be left in the section, but I think the section title should be left as "User modification" as was originally put in by RC-0722. Burner0718 (talk) 23:50, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * To clarify, the entire subsection was originally created as "Hacking". The title was only recently changed to "User modification". Just64helpin (talk) 00:47, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, you did partially clarify my statement. I meant that RC-0722 originally CHANGED it to "User modification". Burner0718 (talk) 03:06, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Friend codes
How do you find out your friend code for the Wii.--DarkFierceDeityLink 02:21, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure this is answered in the Wii instruction booklet. Go to the Wii Message Board (the icon on the bottom right that looks like an envelope), click on Create message (the second icon on the bottom left that looks like a pencil and piece of paper), click on Address Book, and it will list your Wii Number.  TJ   Spyke   02:29, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Merge proposal
I have found a newly-created, poorly written article about a Wii photo channel 1.1. I'm not sure if it exist, however if it does, do you guys think it is approriate to merge it into this article? --Kannie | talk 16:52, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * That should logically be merged to the Wii Menu article, since 1.1 is just an upgrade for the Photo Channel. Just64helpin (talk) 17:10, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge it. RC-0722 (talk) 17:56, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Easy decision IMO, merge. Nothing more than a minor update to the Photo Channel (not a very popular one from what i've seen on messagboards since it replaces the popular and common MP3 support in favor of the AAC format).  TJ   Spyke   23:00, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Good idea to merge it. Burner0718 (talk) 03:42, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * "Wii photo channel 1.1" now redirects to the Wii Menu article. Just64helpin (talk) 22:25, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Different Colors?
I remember Nintendo said the Wii would come out in several different colors, E3 05 or 06 and I also saw a section on it here is it still going to happen--24.107.130.109 (talk) 01:52, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Nintendo later said that they won't release new colors until demand goes down, and that doesn't look like it's gonna happen anytime soon.  TJ   Spyke   01:58, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Amazon facts
"Amazon.com sold Nintendo Wii systems at approximately 17 per second when they were in stock."--Svetovid (talk) 01:05, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Wii Pistol
http://us.codejunkies.com/Products/Wii-Pistol__Wii16.aspx. --DarkFierceDeityLink 03:27, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * This should be brought up on the Wii Remote page. If this is considered notiable enough to add it would go there. --70.48.172.165 (talk) 03:30, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think every third part accessory needs to be noted.  TJ   Spyke   04:04, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Completely unusable?
Section 2.3 says that the firmware update rendered some consoles completely unusable; I was one of the ones to get the 110213 error, complete with free replacement, but my console was still usable... all it did was keep me from using any online features (i.e., Shop Channel). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.61.246.149 (talk) 21:00, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Distinguishing Features
"A distinguishing feature of the console is its wireless controller, the Wii Remote, which can be used as a handheld pointing device and can detect acceleration in three dimensions. Another is WiiConnect24, which enables it to receive messages and updates over the Internet while in standby mode."

Is WiiConnect24 really worthy of being mentioned as a key feature of the console in the second paragraph of the article. Seems like a pretty small thing to me. If I had to select distinguishing feature of the Wii, apart from the Wii Remote, it would be the Virtual Console service. 211.30.178.132 (talk) 06:12, 5 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Whether WiiConnect24 is a key feature is a different question from whether it is a distinguishing feature. --Maxamegalon2000 06:18, 5 January 2008 (UTC)


 * WiiConnect24 is indeed both a key feature and a distinguishing feature. This is because WiiConnect24 lets the system have access to the internet even when the system is in standby mode. It also connects to Nintendo's servers, making it different, distinguishing it, from other console internet services. FlamingZelda (talk) 09:30, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I am aware what WiiConnect24 is, but it is a pretty insignificant feature in overall terms. Like, when people think of the Wii as a console do you think they think "Hey, that's the console with the revolutionary remote pointer thing. And oh, yeah, I read that it can connect to the internet in a standby mode!!". Anyway, you fanboys do what you want. 60.242.117.74 (talk) 01:22, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Perhaps you just aren't familiar with the term "distinguishing." I'll give you a short definition: Constituting difference, or distinction from everything else. Since the X-Box 360 and Playstation 3 do not have this feature, it is therefore a distinguishing feature.  I hope this clears up any confusion.Asher196 (talk) 05:03, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree. That's what I was trying to say. It is by denotation of the word "distinguishing" exactly that. FlamingZelda (talk) 05:31, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Sure, it's distinguishing, but it's trivial and not worth listing that early in the article.58.172.187.10 (talk) 13:53, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It was one of the first things about the system that Nintendo hyped, and it is very notable. I think it's fine the way it is.  TJ   Spyke   22:47, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Up to date number of Wii's sold?
As of Sept 30th 07 was 3 months ago,it should have been updated, the X360 has been updated to Jan 08 but nither the Wii or PS3 sales have been updated. Both say "As of September 30th 2007", while the 360 is "As of Jan 02 2008", I concer that they both should be updated but I cannot find it on Nintendo's (Or Sony's for the PS3) sales fiques. This doesnt count the Black Friday sales or the recent surge for both in Japan. Ive attempted to find it other places on other sites but they are all for late 06' and early 07'. This has been bugging me, as Peter Griffon says You know what relly grinds my gears Lol. I don;t got time to search all the pages so some Wiki nerd (Jokking!) can search hard or listen to the news for the new sales figures. 'THANKS' Mr.Deathhawk (talk) 23:33, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * We are waiting for reliable numbers. There will be a new set in March so, unless there is a reliable source giving them before, we will wait. -- ReyBrujo (talk) 00:12, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * NPD and Enterbrain release reliable sales data every month. What's the problem? 72.43.140.178 (talk) 21:56, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * They only release monthly data, not LTD. I used to manually update the number using sold numbers, but they people started switching it over to shipped numbers and I just gave up. I could switch back, but it will require me to search for 6+ months worth of sales.  TJ   Spyke   22:06, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the explanation TJ Spyke. Why are people being so weird with the Wii sales data? 72.43.140.248 (talk) 18:30, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

jackets
The new wii consoles sold during the 2007 holiday season ship with clear rubberized 'jackets' for the wii remotes. The new version of wii play, which is bundled with a wii remote, also comes with this rubberized jacket. The wii firmware has also been updated to remind users to use these jackets to reduce the possibility of damage to their television sets as well as damage to the remotes themselves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bdbry (talk • contribs) 08:03, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The jackets have a section in the Wii Remote article. Are they not mentioned in the main article then? EvilRedEye (talk) 15:53, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The jacket is mentioned in the "Wii Remote" section of the Wii article. Just64helpin (talk) 17:05, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Surgeons 'are better after playing Nintendo Wii'
Not sure if it's notable for inclusion, but here's a neat little study. MahangaTalk 17:57, 18 January 2008 (UTC) 
 * It is notable because it was covered by reliable media, but I am not sure it belongs to this article. Maybe another article like "Therapeutic use of Wii", but not this one. -- ReyBrujo (talk) 03:48, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Wii article needs full protection
I think the Wii article needs full prtoection. It seems to get vandalised regulary.Like this morning for example, anyone who read the article at about 9.30 will know what I mean, thankfully its now been tided up. However i think it needs full protection, at least for a period of a month or so. Then we can see if any vandalism is attempted again. Gartheknight (talk) 09:52, 24 January 2008 (UTC)