Talk:Wild Arms 5

Name Confusion
I did some looking around for an explanation and understand now. My edits should be reverted.--Claude 07:15, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

It's okay. I've been tracking this Bad Meme for years. It's not so easy to digest.

Reverted. --E. Megas 07:57, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

dean's name
is any way, shape or form is dean realted to tony from wild arms 2, as you know, there are no other characters that share the last names of the other games (TV/manga) series


 * Huh, I just noticed that. Probably not considering none of the Wild Arms games officially take place in the same universe. Also, Jane and Virginia Maxwell share the same last name. The Norse 21:21, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Passing the release date
I've noticed that it's way past the 14th Dec '06. It is the reason I'm going to remove the future game template within the next several days. If anyone thinks otherwise, please let me know. Thx. Blackhawk charlie2003 14:22, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Idiotic and wanton spoilers.
Who's idea was it to to write nothing about any of the characters other than how and when they die? I've been trying to remove this bullshit but some incompetent and deluded idiots keep warning me and reverting my edits. These spoilers are not needed or called for. Anyone who comes to this article seeking basic information on the characters will have the game essentially ruined for them before they even recieve it. - The Norse 21:40, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

No Famitsu score or reception
I know this isn't suppose to be like a board or forum, so this is more like a suggestion. Usually someone puts how its been recieved, and its been out for a long time in japan. I don't know how to find out the scores something gets in japan myself.

special collectors edition for first run
Someone should post something about this found at Blog.wired.com/games

Pics: Wild Arms 5 Limited Edition Package By Chris Kohler August 08, 2007 | 5:17:54 PMCategories: Console Games Here is a ginormous image (click for full size) of the limited edition packaging for Wild Arms 5's 10th Anniversary edition. Man, has it been 10 years? I still remember buying Wild Arms at Funcoland while I was waiting for Final Fantasy VII to come out. I think it was either my first or second PSone game.

The entire first run of Wild Arms 5 will include the bonus "Art of Wild Arms" 80-page art book, with artwork that spans the entire history of the series. It will be packed in with the game in a foil-embossed box at the regular price of $40. But once they're gone, they're gone.

Wild Arms 5 ships for PlayStation 2 on August 28.

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Cameos
Anyone willing to add a cameo list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.107.85.202 (talk) 03:02, August 30, 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure, soon as I beat it. ;-)  71.2.72.28 06:05, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I've beaten it, and I've compiled an incomplete list here but as I said, it's incomplete. --76.201.155.42 23:31, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Japanese voices? How absurd!
What would be the point of putting Japanese voices in a game designed for people that only speak and read ENGLISH??? This seems to happen a lot in video games, probably because the developers are either too lazy, too pressed for time, or too cheap to pay singers. The least they could do is add subtitles to the songs!24.118.227.213 06:57, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * In Wild ARMs 3, there were three song versions. Japanese, English and none. Don't complain here, complain to XSEED. Also, Wild ARMs ACF (The DVD disc itself) has the voices still on it, just as bin files. --76.201.155.42 23:33, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

First, I'm complaining because having Japanese voices where there should be none lowers the quailty of the music; one of the best features in Wild Arms is music, the rest of the game is just fine. Wild Arms 3 did have Japanese voices, but it at least had a option for english. Second, no attempt at english voices is made here for some reason; common sense tells me that this shouldn't be happening. I just don't get the reasoning behind this.24.118.227.213 05:03, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

-...Eh, are you complaining that there's no mention of the Japanese vocalist int he article or what? If you're complaining about the Japanese songs in the game themselves, no one cares and this doesn't belong here. - The Norse 22:01, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Plot section
This article needs a plot summary badly; RPGs are distinguished from other games in that they have a story to follow- it's one of their main attractions. Could someone please post something? If not, I'll try to do it once I've played the game- which won't be for a while yet. -Wilfredo Martinez 04:56, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I have the game now but have not finished playing it yet. I added the basic plot, and may expand it (and the character section) in the coming days. -Wilfredo Martinez 07:27, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Eh? I notice someone trimmed my plot synopsis to the merest details, despite it not being very extensive to start with. Without even discussing it here first, either! I'll repost it (And add more detail to the character entries later.) I'm not aiming for spoilers, but please remember that Wikipedia is where people come looking for facts, not mere propaganda. (Compare this article to the other Wild Arms ones to see my point.) PLEASE don't undo it again without discussion first! -Wilfredo Martinez 22:49, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Your plot summary contains numerous errors and lots of info that simply is not necessary. There is no reason to go into the whole history of Filgaia with it. The trimmed version is better, factual, and makes more sense.MagicalHopStep 01:14, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree-I like MagicalHopStep's version better.24.3.186.152 01:17, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree as well. MagicalHopStep's version makes much more sense, and is easier to read. There's no need to go into so much details having to do with history.72.191.97.6 01:28, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

You don't really get the concept of "let's discuss it first" do you? You didn't explain what errors it had, you didn't explain why this article cannot have a more expansive plot section when all the other RPG ones do, and you didn't even allow time to pass so other people could weight in. I hope you're just not feeling possessive about this article. That's the wrong attitude for Wikipedia. Once again: explain yourself, or I'll revert your changes again. And if you revert that AGAIN, I'll report you to the Administrators. -Wilfredo Martinez 01:35, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Do not threaten me-that is against the rules. As you can see, two other people HAVE provided their opinions, which is saying something, given the level of activity in this area. Your errors are obvious to anyone who has actually played the game, and you are including too much information. Giving the whole history of Filgaia has little to do with the main plot of the game, which is Dean and Rebecca finding Avril and trying to help her regain her memory. It's just a bunch of unnecessary details, as two other people have also said.MagicalHopStep 01:45, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

That's not a threat, and you're the one who is not following the rules. Consider yourself reported. - Wilfredo Martinez 04:25, 30 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The two users were single purpouse accounts, I wouldn't take their opinions under consideration. You two need to keep an eye open for the WP:3RR, better stop edit warring before someone ends up blocked. -  Ca ri bb e a  n ~ H. Q.  05:02, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I think it's unfair to call someone a "single-purpose account", just because they chose to make their first edit here-we all have to start somewhere, you know. And I did not break the rules. I asked you to stop threatening me, which you quite clearly were. You asked for the reasons I edited your contribution, and I provided them. Two other users have also spoken up on this matter. Your information was partly false and most of it was unnecessary. Also, I only reverted his edit ONE time, after he undid my correction.MagicalHopStep 05:06, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

For your information, I am not a single purpose account. I happen to know alot about Wild Arms, and I have been lurking around for a long time, and decided to share my views when this issue came up.72.191.97.6 05:18, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Summary of this discussion: Old users claiming admins are incompetent while admins are claiming new users are incompetent while new users claiming old users are incompetent in an endless cycle while the admins assert they are right above all else. Wikipedia in action. - The Norse 22:13, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

A more correct summary: an experienced wikieditor is trying to expand the article only to see his work undone in less than a day by someone who refuses to explain his actions beyond "that's the way it's supposed to be", who (possibly) may be using sock puppets, who will not allow a fair period of time, such as a week, for other people to weigh in, and who takes a warning as a threat. In any case, I see now that this article is a hotbed of conflict, probably because the game is still new and popular. I have no intention of involving myself in such edit wars, therefore I will leave any more contributions for the future. But at least I called attention to his immature behavior. This is my final comment on this matter. -Wilfredo Martinez 13:35, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Errors Fixed
I fixed all the errors in the characters section. Was all that a prank or an honest mistake?MagicalHopStep 08:06, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
TTN, PLEASE stop vandalizing the article. You're deleting huge sections of it that people worked really hard on, such as the character section. These sections are a valid part of the article, and you're violating the rules by continuously removing them. If you wish to discuss it, that's what this page is for.MagicalHopStep 18:00, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, seriously. I've contributed a lot to those sections. It's really rude to just get rid of them like that.24.3.186.152 18:40, 30 September 2007 (UTC)


 * All TTN did was improve the article. I think all established users agree on that. The Prince of Darkness 19:02, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

You call that improving the article? You just deleted a great deal of information and put less than there was before. Especially the characters section, that is some of the worst run-on sentence failure I've ever seen. You should revert it back to the way it was before. Bokan 06:18, 1 October 2007 (UTC)Bokan


 * If you're referring to TTN's removal of character specifics, please see WP:NOT and WP:NOT. Wikipedia is not a game guide nor an indiscriminate collection of information. ♦TH 1 RT 3 EN talk ♦ contribs 19:10, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

The so called character specifics actually hold less info then what was in the manual for Wild ARMs 5 so as not to spoil anything. The only real specific thing was the japanese and english voice actors were listed for each character that had a voice in the game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.201.5.178 (talk) 06:27, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Your work is not lost! – it is preserved in the history. You can move it to a gaming wiki, for all fans to see. On Wikipedia, we generally remove this information, as it is not considered encyclopaedic and appropriate for our general audience. User:Krator (t c) 23:27, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

WP:VG Assessment
Keeping the current start class rating. Some pointers: User:Krator (t c) 23:26, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The plot section mixes dramatic terms up. See Plot (narrative). Basically, the section titles plot and story should be switched.
 * Reception – if there's only a compiled score, write nothing instead. This is easily expandable and I encourage you to do so. Look up any of the Final Fantasy featured articles for good examples.
 * Without prior knowledge of the series, the gameplay section does not inform much. Perhaps applying WP:AMNESIA would be productive here.
 * Why a whole subsection on exploration? What makes exploration such an important element of the gameplay?
 * I wonder about European release dates and publishers. If it is not being published there, write that in the development section.
 * External links in other languages than English, especially when an English alternative is available, is generally bad. The IGN page does not provide more information than the Wikipedia article, and should be removed per WP:EL because of that.
 * 

Suggestion
Can I just make a suggestion? Can I just make the character section a bit better looking and not full of run on sentences? Bokan 17:56, 6 October 2007 (UTC)Bokan
 * No. The Prince of Darkness 18:37, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No. The Wikipedia Project is about making a reliable, free encyclopedia, not providing you with well-written information. - The Norse 00:23, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Both, actually. The Prince of Darkness 00:28, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * This article, and the other Wild Arms articles that were recently "redone" are obviously the pinnacle of well-written. I mean, I came on this site with 20 questions about Wild Arms 3 and now I only have 19. Amazing. - The Norse 01:15, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh come on, how can anyone make sense out of a bunch of sentences about each of the characters clumped together like that? Bokan 06:19, 7 October 2007 (UTC)Bokan


 * Sarcasm, my boy. It's a great way to criticize the stale logic and general incompetence of the admins without a bot leaving you nasty "be nice" message. Adding an additional comment to that previous post however, I find it hilarious that all of the information in the other Wild Arms articles was deleted because it was "copied from the game manual", but the thing is that the only info left now is basically the useless info that's on the back of the box. Way to make Wikipedia a more informative place, guys. - The Norse 22:30, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I'd like to see extensions to the descriptions of the main characters, ala the Wild ARMs 1 Wikipedia entry. I'd agree that it would be over the top to cover every other single non-playable character. Save any run-on-sentences for villains and NPC allies. Trazmann 02:25, 7 October 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trazmann (talk • contribs)

I find it funny that big games like Final Fantasy get to have a special character section while small titles like Wild Arms don't. Talk about bias.

Final Fantasy has something like 20 games. Wild arms has like 5, as far as I know. Final Fantasy also has movies. Final Fantasy characters are mentioned all over the place. People who have never played a Final fantasy game know who Cloud is. DurinsBane87 07:45, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I believe there's a Wikipolicy in the pile somewhere that says notability does not denote how much information something gets in comparison to something else on the same subject. - The Norse 23:01, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually, notability and verifiability are what this site runs on. Most video game character pages are deleted specifically because they're usually NOT notable. Regardless, I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other, I just figured I would point that out to the angry I.P. DurinsBane87 03:25, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

He's refering to a half-way decent character section in the article, not a seperate one. - The Norse 22:30, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

But we aren't talking about single character profiles! We're just talking about a character section in the main article where each main character is addressed (the previous one looks good – all it needs is further information)! Heck, it is even more useful if the characters' are not known, since that's the article for, right, for knowledge of said characters? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.2.113.137 (talk) 16:23, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Feel free to modify the article yourself. Maybe if it's good enough TTN won't purge it, not much chance of that though. - The Norse 22:30, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Would it be easier to incorporate information about the characters into the plot summary? A la, say, Final Fantasy X? Nifboy 01:06, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

How about say, make a single list of Wild Arms characters containing those important from 1 to XF? This was done in WA2 and even Star Fox. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.2.113.46 (talk) 17:59, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

The Wild Arms pages still suck like this. Bokan 18:27, 22 October 2007 (UTC)Bokan


 * According to Wikipedia Logic, they don't! - The Norse 20:53, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Um, no one cares. Bokan 01:46, 27 October 2007 (UTC)Bokan


 * Wikipedia cares about the quality of its articles. In this case, having no quality denotes that it can't get any worse and the admins won't allow it to get any better so therefore it is good. - The Norse 14:37, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * That's all fine and dandy, peachy-keen, but real encyclopedias do have sections on people. Therefore I don't see why putting the character section back up would be considered bad quality. Bokan 20:51, 28 October 2007 (UTC)Bokan


 * I'm sure The Prince of Darkness who commented above can address your issues better than I can, after all I'm only being sarcastic. I think this article is pathetic now too. - The Norse 00:01, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Limited ed. Art book/Prima guide.
I got the game and artbook, and I was wondering if I was the only one who noticed that most of the artwork in it sucks or is smeared in quality by the fact it spans two pages and you can't open the book far enough to view it properly. Am I the only one who bought this thus the only one noticing?

Also on the Prima forums in the WA5 area, that guide sucks majorly, someone should read through there and maybe post something on it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.207.42.15 (talk) 16:14, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Printing-wise, my art book is quite clean and crisp. The two-page spanning thing is true, though it doesn't matter much since almost all of the images in the book are easily found via Google. The Prima does indeed suck a lot though, it's short, not very comprehensive, some of the art is of poor quality, the suggested strategies are mediocre at best and there's no information at all on any of the optional bosses or dungeons. Perhaps it could use a passing mention in the article. - The Norse (talk) 01:56, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

No world map?
Why does it say in the exploration section that there is no world map? It's in full 3d (unlike wild arms 4, FF tactics style map), but I believe that what's in this game would still be called a world map. It's NOT like in FFXII, which is just continuously linked areas (what "scaled world" is there in FFXII?). To me, the outside-of-towns/dungeons area of Wild Arms V is essentially like Wild Arms 3, FF7, tales of symphonia, etc. which as far as I know are universally accepted as games with "world maps". AllUltima (talk) 04:44, 3 May 2008 (UTC)